Easiest pharmacy school to pass...no joke

[eelo]

Do you think you will be able to be as good of a pharmacist as people from some other "harder" schools though?

Ummmm...... that would be what the licensure exam is for.

It's awfully snooty and pretentious to think that certain schools (i.e. "harder" ones) produce better pharmacists than others. Just because someone graduates from an alleged "harder" program isn't going to make them a better pharmacist. Heck, I know people with multiple professonal degrees who can't put their underwear on straight three days out of five, and i know people who barely made it through med school who are amazing diagnosticians, have impeccable bedside manner, and have more patients lining up to see them than they can care for.

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[evilolive]

UCSF would give more opportunities for other fields - they're the school that has historically changed the pharmacy profession (first by mandating the doctorate degree) and are doing so again through expanding the pharmacist role in healthcare and the industry. I think it also depends on what you mean by "better." Sure a research-track graduate who comes out of the UCSF program might not be set for a retail setting, but he specializes in an academic setting. It's not always about being the stereotypical mold of a "pharmacist" (which is constantly changing), but rather the various career paths that one can take.

 

[eelo]

I would hope that most people would actually want to know what they are supposed to...besides I sincerely doubt the school is as easy as he says it is or it wouldn't be accredited.

Actually, I sincerely doubt the school, or the poster, are as low-class as you seem to think they are, for the same reason.

 

[eelo]

So what you are saying is that you are an average student who went to pharmacy school and will be dispensing medication to people when you get done with this program?

If you needed surgery of any kind would you want someone with that attitude?

Well....... think about this. Half of the people admitted to med schools (or any schools, for that matter) fall into the "average" range. Roughly 25% will be above average, and another 25% will be below average. And at the end of the courses, the smartest graduates get so put (for example) "M.D." after their name. But oh yeah, the dumbest graduates get to do that too.

Are you trying to tell us that you check the undergrad, professional, internship/residency work of your physician before you become one of his/her patients? That must really suck in the Emergency Room.

 

[Beefalo]

It seems like you are mad that you have to work harder to achieve the same goal. No, I am not lazy, or that I dont want to work hard. Reality is, I do want to get out of school soon. Honestly, does anybody want to stay in school forever? If you do, good for you. Im gonna put my hard work into helping others once I am a pharmacist and that is why I wanted to be a pharmacist. IF i wanted to be a pharmacist to study and study and stay in school, then i would have been a researcher instead and get my phd in pharmacology. Also, everyone seems to think that in order to be the best PHARMACIST you have to go to UCSF or something. NO. Anybody can become a great pharmacist. I understand how you would want someone who is as prepared as they can be before they work. Guess what, I am as prepared as anybody. However, this sacrifice of some knowledge does not hinder me in any way. Example, UCSF requires gross anatomy. Ok, this is good to know but if you are not a doctor, do you need it? So if I sacrifice this, then I am giving pharmacists a bad name? So doesnt that mean then that 90% of pharmacy schools are bad because they dont make you take gross anatomy as part of the curriculum? Yes, it's my loss my school doesnt offer or make you take this. But then again, the lead pharmacist at drug emporium didnt either and he has one of the highest approval ratings by the customers who comes in. So anyways, I hope you understand that i do want to become the best i can but i have different views on it. I am willing to sacrifice classes not particulary needed to become a great pharmacist for time to spend helping others or just to spend with my family. This is my priority. If you like to open up a book and read it then that's your priority. I open books and read too but it doesnt consume my life unlike some of my friends at ucsf. Yeah, he told me he hated it when I was fishing the weekend after block exam and he had to study for 3 midterms. but that's the style he chose and i chose mine. So if you dont like USN style, then dont go. NO one is putting a gun to your head. Im just informing people there are other choices.

I, for one, am happy that you posted this info, BelowTheMean! As an over 30 career changer, I don't want to spend the rest of my life in school either. If some geeks enjoy it then by all means, let them become "career students". For those of us who actually have lives, then 3 year programs are excellent and I am almost at the completion of my 2nd year as well (at a different university). Kudos to you and everyone else who can find a way to minimize your time in academics as long as you come out with the knowledge and skills to practice safely.

 

[evilolive]

Are you trying to tell us that you check the undergrad, professional, internship/residency work of your physician before you become one of his/her patients? That must really suck in the Emergency Room.

I do. HR does this a lot too when hiring. If I want to minimize the chances of anything going wrong, I would choose a Harvard medical school graduate anyday over anyone else. They're specialists because they've proven themselves through the filtering process.

Half of the people admitted to med schools (or any schools, for that matter) fall into the "average" range. Roughly 25% will be above average, and another 25% will be below average. And at the end of the courses, the smartest graduates get so put (for example) "M.D." after their name. But oh yeah, the dumbest graduates get to do that too.

In a bit of a contrary analysis, your comment about physician quality isn't true - there are no "bad" medical schools. They majority accepted are still from the top 30% of the even at the 'lower' medical schools. The US does a very good job of being stringent on doctor quality, especially through the board exams. I would put the "average" medical student as highly accomplished - more so than any other health care professional field. They're the average of the top of america's academics vying for those few slots. The only schools that have truly lower admissions/MCAT standards would be DOs.
Of course I could have misinterpreted your comment, as you may have meant that every medical school class has the top 25%, middle 50%, and the bottom 25%

 

[eelo]

I do. HR does this a lot too when hiring. If I want to minimize the chances of anything going wrong, I would choose a Harvard medical school graduate anyday over anyone else. They're specialists because they've proven themselves through the filtering process.

In a bit of a contrary analysis, your comment about physician quality isn't true - there are no "bad" medical schools. They majority accepted are still from the top 30% of the even at the 'lower' medical schools. The US does a very good job of being stringent on doctor quality, especially through the board exams. I would put the "average" medical student as highly accomplished - more so than any other health care professional field. They're the average of the top of america's academics vying for those few slots. The only schools that have truly lower admissions/MCAT standards would be DOs.
Of course I could have misinterpreted your comment, as you may have meant that every medical school class has the top 25%, middle 50%, and the bottom 25%

Yes, you misinterpreted. Sorry it wasn't more clear.

 

[Jack555]

I was more referring to the fact that it seems like he wants to get in and out of school as quickly and as easily as possible, while possibly sacrificing some knowledge. If this is the case I hope he doesn't succeed in becoming a pharmacist and give the rest of us harder working people a bad name.

Harder is not always better. The more efficient person wins. Physical chemistry isn't going to help grandma take her medicine.

 

[hpharm07]

wow, i never though that USN would go so low as to have their students goes on here to post such childish advertisements; did they go broke or just to attract more applicants??...what ***** would pride themselves and then donate their money to the school and casino

 

[evilolive]

Harder is not always better. The more efficient person wins. Physical chemistry isn't going to help grandma take her medicine.

Physical chemistry, however, will help her eat new medicines.

 

[Jack555]

Physical chemistry, however, will help her eat new medicines.

True, but if you want to be a retail pharmacist like myself and many many others it won't help you.

If you want to go into research why not just get a phD? Or perhaps both. My point is his school is preparing retail pharmacists and theres nothing wrong with that. In fact thats probably how it should be (though its good there are choices).

 

[fmbzp5]

True, but if you want to be a retail pharmacist like myself and many many others it won't help you.

If you want to go into research why not just get a phD? Or perhaps both. My point is his school is preparing retail pharmacists and theres nothing wrong with that. In fact thats probably how it should be (though its good there are choices).

I doubt that is how it "should be". One should never be content to be put into such a situation that their is only one option and then finding out that it isn't their cup of tea with no other out.

I think people are forgetting that going to school is well beyond just learning facts and restating them. Taking classes that are outside of the fundamentals of the subject help to broaden a persons understanding of their own topic but also the way that person is able to think.


For the previous poster that thinks if someone wishes to continuously learn they have no life, that is foolish. You will have to take education credits after graduation every year for licensing purposes. The post gave off a rather arrogant feeling.


I agree with evilolive also (not because we will be classmates but because what he is saying rings true). The whole process involves individuals from conception of ideas to creation to testing mass producing etc. To be in the retail store and knowing how that drug came to be does not hurt you at all. If those previous steps were eliminated, there would be no job in the retail pharmacy.


Everyone has different goals upon graduation, and hopefully people applied to schools that train people the same fundamentals but also help to gear them towards what portion of pharmacy they wish to pursue. If belowthemean wishes to be the person that graduates works at walgreens and buys a sports car etc. all the best to him. To knock other schools as if they are wasting people's time, that is shameless.

 

[Jack555]

I doubt that is how it "should be". One should never be content to be put into such a situation that their is only one option and then finding out that it isn't their cup of tea with no other out.

I think people are forgetting that going to school is well beyond just learning facts and restating them. Taking classes that are outside of the fundamentals of the subject help to broaden a persons understanding of their own topic but also the way that person is able to think.


For the previous poster that thinks if someone wishes to continuously learn they have no life, that is foolish. You will have to take education credits after graduation every year for licensing purposes. The post gave off a rather arrogant feeling.


I agree with evilolive also (not because we will be classmates but because what he is saying rings true). The whole process involves individuals from conception of ideas to creation to testing mass producing etc. To be in the retail store and knowing how that drug came to be does not hurt you at all. If those previous steps were eliminated, there would be no job in the retail pharmacy.



Everyone has different goals upon graduation, and hopefully people applied to schools that train people the same fundamentals but also help to gear them towards what portion of pharmacy they wish to pursue. If belowthemean wishes to be the person that graduates works at walgreens and buys a sports car etc. all the best to him. To knock other schools as if they are wasting people's time, that is shameless.

Who said that if someone wants to continue their education they have no life? I didn't see that in anyones post and are not sure who you are referring too.



Its all opinion and we probably won't know till we are old and gray what the better road would have been.




On a seperate note I know a pharmacist who teaches/helps students doing residencies. She says that the USN students "know nothing" and she has to teach them everything.

 

[hpharm07]

On a seperate note I know a pharmacist who teaches/helps students doing residencies. She says that the USN students "know nothing" and she has to teach them everything.

Simply, there is a complaint form to ACPE

 

[fmbzp5]

Who said that if someone wants to continue their education they have no life? I didn't see that in anyones post and are not sure who you are referring too.



Its all opinion and we probably won't know till we are old and gray what the better road would have been.




On a seperate note I know a pharmacist who teaches/helps students doing residencies. She says that the USN students "know nothing" and she has to teach them everything.

the quote was

"For those of us who actually have lives, then 3 year programs are excellent and I am almost at the completion of my 2nd year as well (at a different university). "

 

[Jack555]

the quote was

"For those of us who actually have lives, then 3 year programs are excellent and I am almost at the completion of my 2nd year as well (at a different university). "

Gotcha, that was a snobby quote. Both exist and are good for different people...

 

[prospective]

Who said that if someone wants to continue their education they have no life? I didn't see that in anyones post and are not sure who you are referring too.



Its all opinion and we probably won't know till we are old and gray what the better road would have been.




On a seperate note I know a pharmacist who teaches/helps students doing residencies. She says that the USN students "know nothing" and she has to teach them everything.

do any USN students/alumnis have a comment or reply to this comment? Is this really true or is it biased?

 

[Tom001]

How can we trust someone online? One of my friends told me the usn was challenging. Those who say usn is easy have to be very smart. We all do not want pay a lot of money then later we drop out.

 

[Tom001]

How can we trust someone online? One of my friends going USN told me USN was very challenging. Those who say USN is easy have to be very smart. We all do not want to pay a whole lot of money then later we drop out of it.

 

[eclipster]

When I attended interview at USN,I was told by some P1 students that the program is really tough and challenging, esp first year is really really hard to finish unless we work hard

 

[ButlerPharm.D.]

Pharmacy school is different than undergrad both in terms of the workload and the nature of the material however you owe it to yourself and your future patients to learn and master the material. Typically the classes your P1year are still basic sciences such as pathophysiology and drug action, but don't forget, these are the classes that form the basis of your future coursework. There IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EASY PHARMACY SCHOOL!! All schools must cover the same course work as designated by the ACPE; the only real differences are the individual's perception of the difficulty of their coursework.

 

[BelowTheMean]

Wow, I haven't updated this thread for awhile! I'll update it once I have free time during one of my rotation breaks hopefully.

 

[Farmxer]

Actually, I honestly do believe this guy/girl and has some validity to this. I mean, he's not saying that you don't do anything and pass, but he did say that he studied 3 days before a class and passed. Seriously, I dont know about you guys but at my university, sometimes i study the day before for a class and get a C. That is passing right? So Im thinking that is what this person meant. Also, remember, it's just a single class that he/she is studying for. Don't tell me you never crammed for a test before. 3-4 days should be sufficient time to cram a lot of material and pass. Remember, it's one subject, so just take a single course from your schedule right now and tell me if you studied 3-4 days before the test for that course you cannot pass it? You're not going for the A, you just need to pass. Also, I had a friend that went to Wingate and said that he was honestly surprised how easy it was. My other friend attending a school in Florida says it isnt so bad either. So I really think this person is being quite honest.

Hey Calvinck,

This school require 90% to pass the course(student needs to make 85%, the other 5% comes from the group if the group pass with 95%). All questions are multiple choice. Because of all multiple choice questions, It is kind of difficult to get 90% on your own if you don't know material well enough. It is my 2 cents. Up to you to judge. I know some people volunteer to go home because they did not prepare well enough. Most people do well. Some in probation. Most people who come straight out of CC do very well too. It is almost impossible to be kick off school because there is a trick in there, just cost more tuition and your time only....

 

[Vinceman18]

i agree with your post, and I know that many people bag on retail pharmacy, but thats where 70% of the jobs are at and thats where most of the job expansion will continue. In retail pharmacy you dont need that much knowledge from my experiences at CVS pharmacists mostly deal with insurance, sometimes does consultation but the patient doesnt really care or listen. It would be nice if pharmacy degree splits into two, one that allows you to work for retail pharmacy and one that lets you work for clinical. Also, for those who want to develop drugs, get your PHD in pharmacology or something and not take up someone's space who just wants to practice pharmacy at cvs for the high pay.


this would streamline the process and help churn out a lot of pharmacists...
as for physical chemistry in pharmacy school, it is pretty useless.. infact my major is useless (B.S. biochemistry). if you dont use the thing's you learn your gonna forget it. so why learn it in the first place? it's just wasting time (and acts as a mean of job protection for working pharmacists) while sick people dont get treated. for those who want to do research and develop drugs, get the PHD verison, unless you secretly want to work at retail but want to sound mighty and righteous.


good post OP

 

[genesis09]

We just went from two degrees to one. The ACPE/NABP do not want to carve up the PharmD. If anything, it's probably time to let people deal with their own insurance problems.

 

[SupaSuga]

hii there, I am going to have an interview at USN next week. Can you give meeh some tips for the interview, I will really appreciate it

 

[rxgales]

hii there, I am going to have an interview at USN next week. Can you give meeh some tips for the interview, I will really appreciate it

if they ask you that stupid question about spaceship and who would you be? captain, engineer...tell them you'll be a waiter because in retail you will serve people, (eg, walgreens gangrene or cvs slave) telling pts over and over why they can't get their med because it's too soon, remind them what their phone number is, their name, where they're from, who they are? because they can't remember their birthday or better yet, if they don't remember or if they have a kid, sometime they play game with you and give you wrong name or if you're an alien and speaking to you in alien language....

 

[SCCpharm]

if they ask you that stupid question about spaceship and who would you be? captain, engineer...tell them you'll be a waiter because in retail you will serve people, (eg, walgreens gangrene or cvs slave) telling pts over and over why they can't get their med because it's too soon, remind them what their phone number is, their name, where they're from, who they are? because they can't remember their birthday or better yet, if they don't remember or if they have a kid, sometime they play game with you and give you wrong name or if you're an alien and speaking to you in alien language....

that sounds more like what pharm techs do at the in-window in Retail chains.

 

[aznchickigirl]

hii there, I am going to have an interview at USN next week. Can you give meeh some tips for the interview, I will really appreciate it

can you share your stats please??? and do u know how are they calculate your science gpa, what if you have to retake one of the science class. do they take the highest grade or combine them together?? thank you

 

[Pharmxer2]

Hey guys, just wanted to update you on my experience so far as a pharmacy student at University of Southern Nevada. I am a couple months away from finishing my first year of pharmacy school!! That means i am HALFWAY done with lectures, yup 3 year programs ROCK!

First, I'll tell you a little bit about the school. USN is ACCREDITED and is a 3 year school. The school operates in a block format, which makes it freaken easy for you and me. If you dont know what this is, basically, instead of taking 5+ courses simultaneously during the semester like undergrad, you divide the semester into 5 blocks (2-3 weeks/block). During those 2 weeks, all you do is study ONE class, subject. Sounds hard, nope, very very easy. After the end of those 2 or 3 weeks, you take an exam. Once you pass it, YOU NEVER worry about that subject again. Did i tell you all the exams are multiple choice? And no grading system, just PASS or NO PASS. Then after taking the test, you start the next series or course on the following Tuesday. YUp, 3 day weekend every other week. Also, it is IMPOSSIBLE to fail and get kicked out. You literally have to quit yourself and say I want to do something else. You get like infinite chances to pass. The mult choice tests are straightforward, no tricky, and if you attempted to study, you will get it. So once im done with my exam, i go back to socal where i live and party hard and not have to worry about a single thing because i have completed a course and the next doesnt start til tuesday. So once you've finished the first year, school ends around MAY. You then do 6 weeks of intern work (for me, i chose to do it back in socal where im from). you can do it anywhere you want. AFter you finish those 6 weeks, you then have about 2 months summer vacation! Seriously, i did not think a 3 year school allowed this but i was wrong. Then you go back to school in late August and teh cycle starts again. Then thrid year, you do rotations and you are then DONE!!

My Daily Life: I go to school 8-3pm, with 1 hr lunch. In class, i sleep, play internet games, chat to friends, talk to friends, talk in discussion groups for 20 mins about pharmacy then other subjects. I go home at 3 and then do whatever i want for the rest of the night. No studying is done until a couple days before the exam. For me, i can memorize well, for others, they study for 30mins and then hit the shopping center, go out for dinner, catch a movie, do their hobbies, whatever. Vegas is lively so there's a lot to do. Then on the Friday of exam, i take exam and then go back to socal and spend weekend 3 days with my family. Cycle repeats.

THE ADVANTAGES 3 years, and I'm done. I will get out and work for 120K/year. That is the going rate in Vegas and nearby places. Im freaken serious. Dont believe me, just message me and we can talk about this more and i can PROVE this to you. One of the third year at our schools just got a job offer for 110K with 10k signing bonus at a local retail. So while I get 120k, my friends at UCSD, UCSF, or other 4 year cali schools are still doing their rotations. Worse, they PAY 35K to the school for tuition while I get 120K!!!! That's 155K differential and lost for them! They also do more studying, more hours in school, more stress, while we all basically learn the same stuff! Think about this a lot of the stuff they learn they are NOT going to remember it. It's just for knowledge and you DO NOT USE IT EVER again in pharmacy. Why waste your time learning it. USN just teaches you the important stuff and skips the minute details that you dont need. Also, retailers or people generally DO NOT CARE where you went to school. Sure, UCSF is great, you will get a very good education, but I have not met one pharmacist who needs to know physical chemistry (one of the course in ucsf pharm) to do well on the job EVER. Sure, it's good to know but dont you think it's just a waste of time? If you decide to become a researcher then MAYBE you need it but by that time, you aint gonna remember anything anyways. So it's just a WASTE OF TIME!!!! Also, 100% of USN grads passed the pharm test so no, that means we do learn what we need to know and can perform the job. No diss to UC's and other schools but, why owe 200k for 4 yrs and learn BS stuff you dont need when you pay 90K and graduate in 3 yrs and then make 120K and you basically can pay off tuition in a year! Well, that is my long update.

P.S. H.S. GPA 2.6, SAT 910, College GPA 3.2, USN PASS without difficulty/stress = PRICELESS

I am also a USN student. I wonder how many times you had to retake the regular exams and summer remediations already with such a lifestyle.

Both you and I know very well about the school, and compare to your pre-pharm background, many other students and myself (B.S in Biochemistry at UCB, UCB GPA 3.82, accumulative GPA 3.94, USN pre-GPA 4.0 ) are much stronger, but we still have to study everyday to catch up with the material. Also, besides the regular every-2-week exams, we also have rotation projects, group projects, exams for pharmacy calculations, exams for pharmacy communication, etc. I guess you suddenly become a genius as soon as you stepped into USN then ! You are the first and the only genius case I have ever heard about since I came to USN.


I read your other post explaining that you were not tearing down your own school, and perhaps you were trying to convince people applying to your school, but you did not tell people all the truth. Why didn't you tell people how struggling we were when almost Biochem topics were taught in enough detail in only 2 weeks, especially when most of the students coming into USN without Biochem, like you ?

 

[PharmDToBe]

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I am also a USN student. I wonder how many times you had to retake the regular exams and summer remediations already with such a lifestyle.

Both you and I know very well about the school, and compare to your pre-pharm background, many other students and myself (B.S in Biochemistry at UCB, UCB GPA 3.82, accumulative GPA 3.94, USN pre-GPA 4.0 ) are much stronger, but we still have to study everyday to catch up with the material. Also, besides the regular every-2-week exams, we also have rotation projects, group projects, exams for pharmacy calculations, exams for pharmacy communication, etc. I guess you suddenly become a genius as soon as you stepped into USN then ! You are the first and the only genius case I have ever heard about since I came to USN.


I read your other post explaining that you were not tearing down your own school, and perhaps you were trying to convince people applying to your school, but you did not tell people all the truth. Why didn't you tell people how struggling we were when almost Biochem topics were taught in enough detail in only 2 weeks, especially when most of the students coming into USN without Biochem, like you ?

I am also a USN student. I study alllllll the time ( and I do consider myself a very smart person) and still worry about passing each test. Believe me, the 90 % requirement to pass each test makes all the difference in the world. You really have to know your staff to pass.
USN is a very rigorous school, you really have to have good time management and great study habits to do well.

 

[Pharmxer2]

Wow, I haven't updated this thread for awhile! I'll update it once I have free time during one of my rotation breaks hopefully.

I thought you said in the original post that you have too much free time to party, go back home and do whatever you want while at USN ????

 

[Pharmacista]

That's a good one ha, ha, ha...
Probably he/she does not event have time to read this message because he/she has sooooooo much free time at this " easy" school. I bet all you do is study and you cant even pass...

 

[Farmxer]

For BelowTheMean, Why don't you come out and speak the true for the whole world to hear. What is your motive to have this thread? Obviousely, you did not tell the truth.

I wish you do not need to go to sumer to repeat blocks you didn't pass.

 

[shikamaru]

I thought that all accelerated programs are much more intense than traditional 4-year schools. I find it hard to believe that USN is any different.

 

[gvsk]

I am P1 at USN. I am gonna keep things simple.

No one can really compare 2 different systems as each have their pros and cons. I am happy with USN cos i only have to take care of 5-6 days of material at one time and not the whole semesters work load and can have a 3 day week end every 2 weeks. I am not working right now and should say so far i have been relaxing most of the time and managing to pass.

About the tests, Initially it was hard for every one to get used to the system and there were many people re mediating. But i am happy to say the number has dramatically reduced. I was very worried about the 90% as pass mark but now got fairly used to the system. I guess in most schools with grading systems you can get a pharm D by getting B's and C's ( Please correct me if am wrong)Time flies in a block system and every 2 weeks we are back in the same war zone. If one has a fair idea about the material the test shouldn't be too hard. Its usually around 3-4 questions that trick you every test.

Easiness of the program depends on ones personal lifestyle. There are many in class who are working and most of them wont agree with BelowTheMean's post as they wont have too much time on their hands.

There is no such thing as an easy pharmacy school.

I cannot comment on P2 too much but from what i heard P1 is really a breeze compared to P2 @ USN.

I Hope this helps to present applicants and future applicants to USN. Getting it done in 3 yrs is always good.

Lets see if the topic Easiest pharmacy school to pass...no joke stands to its name in exactly one years time.

Cheers!

 

[Pharmxer2]

But now it is getting better. it is harder than it used to be. So in conclusion i guess belowthemean is from that era. i do disagree with alot of the way they select students. This year over 10 of my friends got accepted and non no anything about the subject and it is a long story how they have a high gpa. by cheating in community college for two years. their methods were anything that you can and cannot think of. some of my friends got accept before too with same methods and some how graduated from usn. so the high gpa thing doesn't mean anything it is quickly becoming the school of cheaters.

I think you are going too far when judging the whole school based on just some of your friends. I do agree that it is easier to have a high GPA at CC than at a 4-year university. But THERE'S NO SUCH THING EASY IN A PHARMACY SCHOOL.
By the way, I bet you also applied to USN and did not get accepted like your friends.

 

[Ray1234]

no they applied 2006 for 2007 and i was not done with my classes and didn't apply.

What is your point now? it almost made me laugh so loud hahahaha....
This guy/gal did not get accepted in USN and now pulling the legs hahaha...
and still hopes that she/he would love to be a part of USN..
I think your motive to post those stupid dumb comments is nothing but to discourage USN applicants so that you will have some chance.. hahaha .. stop day dreaming!!

Wake up and smell the coffee buddy!! Whatever you did in community college is not going to work for you here..

Do not take me wrong.. but by chance even if you get into USN, i can see your future very well. You will be the one who will be kicked out of the school for failing more than 5 assessments.

Change your attitude.. and play fair game my friend.

Everybody can see crocodile's tears here.

 

[Pharmacista]

But now it is getting better. it is harder than it used to be. So in conclusion i guess belowthemean is from that era. i do disagree with alot of the way they select students. This year over 10 of my friends got accepted and non no anything about the subject and it is a long story how they have a high gpa. by cheating in community college for two years. their methods were anything that you can and cannot think of. some of my friends got accept before too with same methods and some how graduated from usn. so the high gpa thing doesn't mean anything it is quickly becoming the school of cheaters.

How would you know??? Did your friend's imaginary friend told you??? Because I have two "real" friends that go to this school, and all i hear is good things. I applied to this school as well because I am confident that it will prepare me best to be a successful pharmacist in the future.
Their naplex scores talk for themself: the school has one on the highest pass scores in the nation!!!!

 

[Expect2Win]

First of all, BelowTheMean is obviously not nearly as smart as he even thinks he is, or he would not have written that OP. Did he honestly think that it would go unnoticed? It has already been mailed to every student at USN and it will not be long before the entire faculty reads it.

Secondly, I am a P1 at USN, and I am a highly qualified student (4.0 GPA, and chemistry student of the year, two years in a row at two different Universities), and I am very proud of the fact that I got in to USN. Thus, for BelowTheMean to make it sound like getting into USN is SO EASY, and not a great accomplishment, is very demeaning.

Next, I would like to set the story straight. USN is NOT a cakewalk. Are there some P1's who think that the curriculum has been easy so far? Sure, but there are also a lot of students who have found the material to be very challenging. Also, like the P2's have repeatedly stated, the second year is not only more information, but more difficult information.

It pains me to think of what it would be like if the impression people have about USN is anything like the one BelowTheMean has entailed in his OP (Easiest pharmacy school to pass... no joke), especially since he hasn't even passed it yet.

Finally, people should know that USN is a respectable and demanding University that produces knowledgeable and competent pharmacists.

 

[Expect2Win]

First of all, BelowTheMean is obviously not nearly as smart as he even thinks he is, or he would not have written that OP. Did he honestly think that it would go unnoticed? It has already been mailed to every student at USN and it will not be long before the entire faculty reads it.

Secondly, I am a P1 at USN, and I am a highly qualified student (4.0 GPA, and chemistry student of the year, two years in a row at two different Universities), and I am very proud of the fact that I got in to USN. Thus, for BelowTheMean to make it sound like getting into USN is SO EASY, and not a great accomplishment, is very demeaning.

Next, I would like to set the story straight. USN is NOT a cakewalk. Are there some P1's who think that the curriculum has been easy so far? Sure, but there are also a lot of students who have found the material to be very challenging. Also, like the P2's have repeatedly stated, the second year is not only more information, but more difficult information.

It pains me to think of what it would be like if the impression people have about USN is anything like the one BelowTheMean has entailed in his OP (Easiest pharmacy school to pass... no joke), especially since he hasn't even passed it yet.

Finally, people should know that USN is a respectable and demanding University that produces knowledgeable and competent pharmacists.

 

[RosieGurL86]

Hey everyone,

I am currently a first year pharmacy student at the university of southern nevada college of pharmacy (USN). I only came to know about this post because one of our classmates saw it, copied and pasted it into an email, and sent it to all P1, P2, and P3 students. I do not know the person who posted it and I am NOT writing to attack them by any means. I just feel this person left out some important information about USN and I really do feel their intentions were to promote our school, however I just didn't agree with the way it was done. I sent a reply message by email to the person who mass emailed all the pharmacy students, and they told me I should post a copy of that email here.

Since I wrote it as a reply message to another pharmacy student, someone not attending the school might not fully understand some things, but the message I am trying to get across should be clear.

I want to state again I am not attacking this person, I just want to add to what they said and add in some of my own thoughts about our school.

thanks.

here is a copy of the email I wrote to my classmate:

Wow I am really not sure what to make of this. I do believe though that this person's intentions were to convey the advantages of the block system, the fact that USN really does give us what we NEED to know , and how efficient the program is at preparing us to be pharmacists.

I think though he/she made it sound like it is a piece of cake and there's no stress, which I don't 100% agree with. He/she failed to mention that we require 90% to pass...yes on Friday we can technically get lower (because of team points..so on a 60 question test we can miss 9 instead of 6, assuming your team passes with 95% and you get the team points)...and we DO have another chance on Monday, however it is very difficult to pass Monday because you don't get team points, and from the fact that I've heard Monday's test questions are always more difficult than Friday ( I did have to remediate 1 exam, which was the third one...but I felt that test was fair. After that though some students who remediated other tests have said questions are much trickier on Monday)

Anyway, since it is much harder to pass monday, you are likely to then get a summer remediation....which would be your third chance to pass. This person did not impart a few important facts about this: 1) summer remediation occurs during a 6 week period after our CPPE 6 week rotation. Therefore, if you do have a summer remediation, you do NOT get that "almost 2 month summer break" this person was referring to. For every summer remediation you have, you will spend 1 week of those 6 weeks we get off studying the material and taking the test on that friday. You really DO NOT want a summer remediation, you will really need those 6 weeks off. 2) yes you do get many chances to pass, but to me really its like two...friday and monday because you don't want a summer. If you do not pass in the summer you WILL BE HELD BACK 1 year and will have to wait for the next P1 class to take that exam during their year. You will then take the test with them and get two shots again, friday and monday. If you don't pass monday, you are kicked out of the program and cannot reapply. 3) If you have accumulated 5 summer remediations, and then if you fail again on friday and monday for any test you take after that, you are automaticlly kicked out of the program and cannot reapply. 4) yes our 3 year program does allow that 6 weeks off, however after that 6 weeks, we start our P2 year. Immediatly after we end our P2 year...like maybe a week or less after that, we go into rotations for P3 year and graduate the following june. So NO BREAK at all between P2 and P3 year, which accounts for why we can accomodate that 6 weeks off between P1 and P2 year.

Also, this person did say we don't learn all that extra stuff that UC's make their students learn, and i noticed someone else comment on the fact that "UCSF has a 100% passing rate on the NAPLEX...so do you really want to go to USN?" ...well USN ALSO had a 100% passing rate...so yes our school DOES in fact prepare us to be competent pharmacists. Also, Dr. Oesterman had commented to our class that a retail pharmacy in Van Nuys, CA called our school and requested that USN students be sent to their pharmacy for the CPPE rotation beacuse USN students seemed much better prepeared than CA students.

Yes I do agree that if you have studied well and prepeared in advance, you will have no problem passing friday. The questions are multiple choice, and its fairly straightforward. I dont study much non-assessment week...but at least 4 days before the exam I really start studying because we always have A LOT of information to retain for friday's exam...you can't just scan everything a couple times...you have to know details because we require 90% to pass. I still get stressed out for friday's exam....and i'm sure most students at other pharmacy schools do the same. The week they don't have an exam they take it easy and do whatever, and then the week of the exam you study like crazy to make sure you pass.

The way USN's program is set up allows a student to catch their breath between exams, concentrate on one subject and learn everything about that subject you would normally learn in 1 semester in a 4 year school, they make it possible (I wouldn't use the word "easy") to pass on friday with 90%, and gives you all the tools you need to be an EXCELLENT pharmacist, not just a competent one.

Also, P2 year is definetly A LOT harder than the P1 year...its very stressful and rigorous, and does not even compare with P1 year in terms of the level of difficulty. So i think its fairly easy right now (as long as you've put in the time and really studied), but its going to be very different next year. I this this person made our school sound like a piece of cake, which it really isn't. There are many students who already have multiple summer remediations, and this program is not for everyone. It works great for some people and they have an easy time, and others work harder and struggle. It all depends on the person. I don't feel this person's intentions were to say our school is a joke, but Ithat is how it came off and I want people to know that this is not the case.

thanks everyone for taking the time to read this.

 

[RosieGurL86]

I didn't say "single digit IQ"...please read my reply again...If you can't even read something carefully, I am very surprised that you have passed all the exams so far without remediations....Oh wait a minute, class of 2008 exams are jokes...I forgot


By the way, I don't appreciate this comment. I am Class of 2010 (Currently a P1 student) and I HAVE studied from old exams before (Class of '09 and '08) . I think our first exam was the hardest one we've had so far and it did not even compare to the first exam the class of '09 had. I honestly think all the exams (at least compared to '08 and '09) they are very equal in terms of the level of difficulty. The exams look easier to you now obviously, now that you're a P2 student...the information doesn't seem as bad so of course it looks that way when you look at our tests.

We're trying to defend our school here, and you bashing another class AT YOUR OWN SCHOOL isn't exactly helping.

 

[acetylcoa2]

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[veyep]

What is your point now? it almost made me laugh so loud hahahaha....
This guy/gal did not get accepted in USN and now pulling the legs hahaha...
and still hopes that she/he would love to be a part of USN..
I think your motive to post those stupid dumb comments is nothing but to discourage USN applicants so that you will have some chance.. hahaha .. stop day dreaming!!

Wake up and smell the coffee buddy!! Whatever you did in community college is not going to work for you here..

Do not take me wrong.. but by chance even if you get into USN, i can see your future very well. You will be the one who will be kicked out of the school for failing more than 5 assessments.

Change your attitude.. and play fair game my friend.

Everybody can see crocodile's tears here.

Some people just are amazing. Can't you read? How am I discouraging applicants when I say I love the school and I would love to go there could you answer that? I said I didn't apply and you are telling me I am saying these because I got rejected could you explain what part of Didn't apply don't you understan? I didn't apply because I wasn't done with school! I told you in my classes my friends and who I knew did and they all hated me for not telling them the answers because I don't cheat could you tell me what made you think I cheated in CC? How come all of my friends graduated or are still in usn and have not been kicked out? Dude you can't focus on the subject. It must be hard to live with you sickness what is it called ******edness ha?

 

[bfmcbride]

Think about this a lot of the stuff they learn they are NOT going to remember it. It's just for knowledge and you DO NOT USE IT EVER again in pharmacy. Why waste your time learning it. USN just teaches you the important stuff and skips the minute details that you dont need.

P.S. H.S. GPA 2.6, SAT 910, College GPA 3.2, USN PASS without difficulty/stress = PRICELESS

I am reading thiss a while after it was posted. I have a hard time understanding how someone who neither has the training or academic experience can determine what is or is not important for inclusion into a pharmac y curriculum. Many faculty invested a great deal of time and training to develop credentials to develop a curriculum that will produce a qualified pharmacist.

This post is a good example of why trial attorneys have such a lucrative practice.

 

[Shaun786]

lol its been a year since this thread has been posted.... I wonder if the BelowTheMean still feels the same way now that he is in his 2nd year...

 

[misstofu]

what a post! I disagreed with what belowthemean was mentioned years before ( I just noticed that this post was years ago)
I am currently a USN student, what he was mentioned was not true at all, the part that I only agreed with was the block system, which you have only one subject to be concentrated on whereas many subjects as once like what we were taking when we were undergrads.
Otherwise, you'll have to remediate if you're not on top of your study. I personally, have never had to take any reassessment (knock on wood) through out 12 assessments already, but everytime it comes to a test, I just have to study my butts off! sometimes, I have only 2 hours of sleep before Friday Assessment.
Averagely, there are about 80 students in my class, but about at least 10 students have to do reassessment on Monday.
the bottom line is, I really don't think it's that easy like he/she said!! thumbdown

 

[BelowTheMean]

I am P1 at USN. I am gonna keep things simple.

No one can really compare 2 different systems as each have their pros and cons. I am happy with USN cos i only have to take care of 5-6 days of material at one time and not the whole semesters work load and can have a 3 day week end every 2 weeks. I am not working right now and should say so far i have been relaxing most of the time and managing to pass.

About the tests, Initially it was hard for every one to get used to the system and there were many people re mediating. But i am happy to say the number has dramatically reduced. I was very worried about the 90% as pass mark but now got fairly used to the system. I guess in most schools with grading systems you can get a pharm D by getting B's and C's ( Please correct me if am wrong)Time flies in a block system and every 2 weeks we are back in the same war zone. If one has a fair idea about the material the test shouldn't be too hard. Its usually around 3-4 questions that trick you every test.

Easiness of the program depends on ones personal lifestyle. There are many in class who are working and most of them wont agree with BelowTheMean's post as they wont have too much time on their hands.

There is no such thing as an easy pharmacy school.

I cannot comment on P2 too much but from what i heard P1 is really a breeze compared to P2 @ USN.

I Hope this helps to present applicants and future applicants to USN. Getting it done in 3 yrs is always good.

Lets see if the topic Easiest pharmacy school to pass...no joke stands to its name in exactly one years time.

Cheers!

I totally agree. Like this person above, P1 was really a breeze compared to P2. Have any of you guys read my follow ups? Calm down people. That was my experience for my first year and I wrote it in my first year. Yes, it has gotten tremendously harder the following year. Note, not many people had biochem coming in and I did so maybe that is why. Take it for what's it worth and don't get all pissed off because you are struggling or how it hurts the school's image. For all you other people, damn, there would be people who will say a school is hard and others that would say it's easy and stop acting like gpa is the means of determing all things so all of you with "I have 4.0 blah blah and it was killing me hard", OK, it might be true for you but doesnt mean someone with a 3.0 or something can't exceed. Maybe the block system works wonders for some and others can't adjust it.

Also, to clarify some things. OF COURSE I LIKE USN. You all are acting as if Im some pissed off dude that didnt get in. Did the title and post maybe a little out of context? Maybe...maybe not...all relative. I barely was out of my teenage years upon going here so I might not have used the best words/judgement but like I said, it is what it is. What am I supposed to say? Don't go to USN, it's so damn hard and ridiculous that I can't pass so none of you apply. I wasn't in year 2 at that time, so how the heck am i supposed to tell you what year 2 is. I spoke for year 1, and some agree it's simple, some dont. That's life. Some think obama is better, some dont. Can't please the mass. Also, you all act like level of difficulty translates to success or something. I could learn all the hardest material but doesnt make me the best pharmacist.

P.S. I did not fail p2 or remediate but I did have to study my butt off and no more year 1 lifestyle for sure. But hey, if you read ALL my original post (which i dont think a lot of you people that criticized me did), I did say, I might expect year 2 to be hard but even if year 1 and 2 was hard, it's only 2 years, or in my situation, only year 2 was super hard, 1 year of superhardness beats 3 yrs in a 4 yr school. THAT MY FRIENDS, was my original point. Thanks.