Einstein vs. Emory

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I'm trying to decide between these two great schools, and need some advice. I visited both, and liked both, and I'm not sure how to choose. Atlanta's obviously a much nicer place to live than the Bronx, but the education at Emory seems much more intense and stressful than at Einstein. What do you guys think? THanks!
 
Hey there. I did my undergrad at Fordham u in the Bronx, only a couple of minutes from einstein.

If you are interested in practicing in an urban or suburban area, there are tons of hospitals in and around the bronx that will give u a great clinical experience. I know two med students there now, who are both more than happy with their decision to attend einstein.

Although the area itself isn't great, the city is just 25 min away by subway, and 15 minutes by metro north. And, there are wonderful restaurants on arthur ave, a couple blocks from einstein.

Just to point out a couple of the good things about the bx
 
I was an Emory undergrad and I'm fairly sure I'll be going to Einstein med so here's my opinion...

The Emory name may have slightly more prestige but you have to ask yourself if that prestige is worth being miserable for 4 years. I loved Emory undergrad but I know quite a few Emory med students who are really unhappy. Worrying about grades, competing with your classmates and being in an adversarial environment is not what I want for myself so I declined Emory's offer. That being said, Atlanta has a lot to offer and the Emory community is great. There are really supportive faculty, great researchers, etc. plus warm weather!

Einstein, on the other hand, has everything Emory does and more. Students are diverse, genuinely happy, cooperative and supportive. They are real people and not crazy grade hungry students that actually enjoyed the hard core competitive pre-med environment. The school is really dedicated to service and community health and the area isn't all that bad. With an express bus right there, Manhattan is just half an hour away. Plus, you've got less distractions!!! There are plenty of research opportunities and top rate faculty. Housing is amazing and amazingly cheap. Plus, I think clinical exposure is equal to if not better than Emory. While Grady is an awesome facility, Emory is not the only med school that does its training there so you may also be competing with students from other Georgia med schools. Emory University hospital and Crawford Long are both private facilities and you're not really going to get all that much exposure there. Einstein trains at Jacobi (which is also a public level 1 trauma center and sees just as much variety of cases as Grady) AND they have other really diverse clinical settings including Beth Israel, Monti (with the new children's facility), Long Island Jewish, and Bronx Lebanon. So you get a mix of public/private and really diverse patient populations coming from Manhattan, long island and the Bronx (not to mention immigrants).

Either way, you'll get a great match as long as you put your work in. I just think you'll be happier overall at Einstein.
 
As a soon-to-graduate Emory medical student, I feel compelled to reply.

loudawg said:
I loved Emory undergrad but I know quite a few Emory med students who are really unhappy. Worrying about grades, competing with your classmates and being in an adversarial environment is not what I want for myself so I declined Emory's offer.
I don't feel this is an accurate representation of Emory at all. There are certainly some folks who are unhappy here, but there are unhappy people at every medical school, particularly during the preclinical years which can be a drag at times. Overall, I was very content during medical school especially M3 and M4 years. Also, the grading system at Emory DOES NOT foster a competitive/adversarial environment. The grading is strictly 90-100=A, 80-89=B, etc. There is no grade curve and thus no incentive to beat your classmates. Yes, there are a few gunners, but probably no more than anywhere else.

loudawg said:
While Grady is an awesome facility, Emory is not the only med school that does its training there so you may also be competing with students from other Georgia med schools.
Morehouse also has students at Grady, but they have entirely different services and patients. Believe me, there are plenty of patients to go around.

loudawg said:
Emory University hospital and Crawford Long are both private facilities and you're not really going to get all that much exposure there.
I would guess that about half your time in the clinical years is at Grady and the other half is at the other hospitals (Emory, VA, Crawford, Egleston Childrens, Hughes-Spalding Childrens).


To the OP, make your decision on where you believe you will be happiest. I don't think there is any real difference in the quality of training or opportunities available at either institution. Go with your gut feeling. 👍
 
Thanks for the responses. To those at Emory - Do you guys have free time to do things outside of class and studying for exams? It seems like people there spend much less time pursuing other interests like working at free clinics, joining student interest groups, etc...is this a misperception?
 
morgen said:
Thanks for the responses. To those at Emory - Do you guys have free time to do things outside of class and studying for exams? It seems like people there spend much less time pursuing other interests like working at free clinics, joining student interest groups, etc...is this a misperception?

Yes that is misperception. People in my class enjoy other interest that they had before coming to med school. Since we have one day for all of our tests, this give you good 2 to 3 weeks after the test where you can relax and have time to other things besides school. I don't feel that my class is very competitive toward each other. The only competition you have is against yourself. Most of my classmates are nice and they try to help each other out. It doesn't matter which med school you go to, it is going to be intense studying! You have to choose a school that you feel most comfortable with. Good luck!
 
A few of my friends who attend medical schools (one of them is at Emory and the other is in medical school at Wisconsin) that have letter grades say that having letter grades creates unnecessary stress. They have to maintain a certain GPA or risk getting placed on academic probation. I think that an Honors/Pass/Fail like that at Einstein relieves a lot of the stress. God knows that I don't want to feel the presssures of pre-med again. If you ask me...H/P/F or P/F is the way to go...
 
smileyguy77 said:
A few of my friends who attend medical schools (one of them is at Emory and the other is in medical school at Wisconsin) that have letter grades say that having letter grades creates unnecessary stress. They have to maintain a certain GPA or risk getting placed on academic probation. I think that an Honors/Pass/Fail like that at Einstein relieves a lot of the stress. God knows that I don't want to feel the presssures of pre-med again. If you ask me...H/P/F or P/F is the way to go...
Certainly getting straight C's, or a 2.0 GPA, would not warrant an academic probation? If so, then how is that any different from having to pass every class in a P/F or H/P/F system? Just because you are in P/F system doesn't mean you are free to fail your classes.
 
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but seeing as I don't have immediate access to one and the website doesn't say; does anyone know if the MSAR notes whether each school grades by P/F, H/P/F and Letters?
 
MB in SD said:
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but seeing as I don't have immediate access to one and the website doesn't say; does anyone know if the MSAR notes whether each school grades by P/F, H/P/F and Letters?

The MSAR doesn't but the AAMC website has that info.

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section1/grading1.cfm

Select a school and they will tell you how many intervals. So two intervals grading is P/F, 3 intervals is H/P/F etc.
 
smileyguy77 said:
A few of my friends who attend medical schools (one of them is at Emory and the other is in medical school at Wisconsin) that have letter grades say that having letter grades creates unnecessary stress. They have to maintain a certain GPA or risk getting placed on academic probation. I think that an Honors/Pass/Fail like that at Einstein relieves a lot of the stress. God knows that I don't want to feel the presssures of pre-med again. If you ask me...H/P/F or P/F is the way to go...

For some school passing is getting anything over 70. The way I see it for H/P/F , is basically this A/B-C/low C or below. Is it really big difference from grading system?
 
VCMM414 said:
Certainly getting straight C's, or a 2.0 GPA, would not warrant an academic probation? If so, then how is that any different from having to pass every class in a P/F or H/P/F system? Just because you are in P/F system doesn't mean you are free to fail your classes.

Maybe it's different from other schools, but my friend from Wisconsin told me that he needs to maintain a cum GPA of 3.0, and anything below that will place him on academic probation. I may be mistaken, but that's what he told me. To me that creates a lot of unnecessary stress and liable to bring out the gunners in some people creating an unpleasant learning environment.

Then again, I don't know what the classes are like at Emory or University of Wisconsin. Maybe the classes are all straight grading and not on a curve, in which case, a conducive learning environment would be created because the emphasis would be on simply passing the classes with the best grade you can (hopefully with a B or better), as opposed to competing with your classmates.

I don't think that H/P/F or P/F is the same as letter grades. I don't mean to state the obvious, but H/P/F consists of three broad gradations. A, B, C, D's along with their +/- are a heck of a lot more gradations. To me, a transcript that has all P's on it looks a lot better than a transcript with letter grades with +/-, unless you're talking about A's and A-'s. At Jefferson, the grading scale is simply--Honors is 100 - 90, Pass is 70 - 90, and Fail is 70 and below.

The bottom line from what my med school friends tell me, your grades in your basic sciences matter very little. Your competitiveness as an applicant for any sort of residency position comes from your extracurriculars and your grades in your clinical rotations.
 
loudawg said:
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The Emory name may have slightly more prestige but you have to ask yourself if that prestige is worth being miserable for 4 years. I loved Emory undergrad but I know quite a few Emory med students who are really unhappy. Worrying about grades, competing with your classmates and being in an adversarial environment is not what I want for myself so I declined Emory's offer. .

And as a current Emory Med First year, I have to reply to this too. My classmates are so far from adversarial! We work with each other to make sure that we all do well. I truly don't think anyone in my class is miserable. We are certainly not competing against each other! I think the other Emory Med kids have said (on this thread) that having grades has given Emory a bad rep. I really don't know which students you've been talking to, loudawg, because truly, the majority of people here are VERY VERY happy.

So to stress:
1) Yes, Emory has grades.
2) NO!!!! we are NOT competing against each other
3) We work together to make sure we're all doing well.
4) This has been said before, NO CURVE. If everyone does well, every can get an A.
5) Emory students are very diverse.
6) Grady has more than enough patients to go around. Trust us on this.
7) Go where you think you'll be happy. It's a tough 4 years ahead WHEREVER you go. You want to make sure you fit in and can thrive.
 
how are the facilities at each? i dont know much about einstein at all, but ive heard some not so nice things about emory (hopefully not true since id like to apply otherwise).
 
Doc.Holliday said:
how are the facilities at each? i dont know much about einstein at all, but ive heard some not so nice things about emory (hopefully not true since id like to apply otherwise).

I don't know what you heard about emory facilities but in my opinion they are nice. We are building a brand new building for the med school this summer and it should be done in 2 years. I saw the new layout for it and it looks great! Just sad that I won't spend much time in it since I will be rotating in the hospital by then. During your first two year you can also just the undergrad campus where they have nice comp labs and recreation facility. The hospitals that are affliated with Emory is very diverse. You have grady which is the county hospital and then you have Crawford long and Emory hosiptal which are nice private hospitals.
 
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