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    This program is crap, the adviser is plays favorites and I have heard some reports about her being biased to certain people. Avoid at all costs and apply to a reputable program if you are spending your money.
     
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      Can you elaborate, my friend? I would really like to hear more as I was considering this program.
      I did this program for my post bacc and finished it last year. Initially I met with the director multiple times before committing to the program. So let me give you the rundown of this program and why you should avoid it:

      1. The director of the program is not trustworthy in my opinion and has played favorites throughout my time in that program. She will basically pick certain students from each cohort and favors them endlessly and not care about others. I have head rumors about her having certain biases towards certain type of people but I am not sure if its true or not.

      2. The director is also clueless when it comes to advising and doesn't really have an idea about what you need on your application and how you can improve it. She also has a reputation of grading certain students differently than others and that can come back and bite you in the ass if she decides to base her bias towards you.

      3. This program also has no linkage, it says that they have an linkage with LECOM but that is not true since we had a recruiter come from there last year and they said that the linkage only applies to undergraduate pre-med students from there and doesn't apply to Post-Baccs and Masters students.

      All in all if I were you I would not make the same mistake as I did by basically losing 20K on a program which is definitely a bottom tier SMP/Post-Bacc program. You should look into applying to more reputable programs such as Tufts, Drexel, BU, Qunnipiac, Cincinnati or Georgetown. I doubt that you would want to blow 20K plus on a lousy program that will not judge you based on merit and hard work but instead will judge you on other biased factors.
       
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      MedSkoolDude2020

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        I did this program for my post bacc and finished it last year. Initially I met with the director multiple times before committing to the program. So let me give you the rundown of this program and why you should avoid it:

        1. The director of the program is not trustworthy in my opinion and has played favorites throughout my time in that program. She will basically pick certain students from each cohort and favors them endlessly and not care about others. I have head rumors about her having certain biases towards certain type of people but I am not sure if its true or not.

        2. The director is also clueless when it comes to advising and doesn't really have an idea about what you need on your application and how you can improve it. She also has a reputation of grading certain students differently than others and that can come back and bite you in the ass if she decides to base her bias towards you.

        3. This program also has no linkage, it says that they have an linkage with LECOM but that is not true since we had a recruiter come from there last year and they said that the linkage only applies to undergraduate pre-med students from there and doesn't apply to Post-Baccs and Masters students.

        All in all if I were you I would not make the same mistake as I did by basically losing 20K on a program which is definitely a bottom tier SMP/Post-Bacc program. You should look into applying to more reputable programs such as Tufts, Drexel, BU, Qunnipiac, Cincinnati or Georgetown. I doubt that you would want to blow 20K plus on a lousy program that will not judge you based on merit and hard work but instead will judge you on other biased factors.

        Totally agree with this post, steer clear of this program. There is definitely some shady stuff that goes on in this program. You are better of going to the schools DOwhisperer mentioned.
         
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          Totally agree with this post, steer clear of this program. There is definitely some shady stuff that goes on in this program. You are better of going to the schools DOwhisperer mentioned.
          Did you also take this program? Or were you just considering it? I appreciate you guys being candid about this, as you know picking a school is a big step.
           
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            I did this program for my post bacc and finished it last year. Initially I met with the director multiple times before committing to the program. So let me give you the rundown of this program and why you should avoid it:

            1. The director of the program is not trustworthy in my opinion and has played favorites throughout my time in that program. She will basically pick certain students from each cohort and favors them endlessly and not care about others. I have head rumors about her having certain biases towards certain type of people but I am not sure if its true or not.

            2. The director is also clueless when it comes to advising and doesn't really have an idea about what you need on your application and how you can improve it. She also has a reputation of grading certain students differently than others and that can come back and bite you in the ass if she decides to base her bias towards you.

            3. This program also has no linkage, it says that they have an linkage with LECOM but that is not true since we had a recruiter come from there last year and they said that the linkage only applies to undergraduate pre-med students from there and doesn't apply to Post-Baccs and Masters students.

            All in all if I were you I would not make the same mistake as I did by basically losing 20K on a program which is definitely a bottom tier SMP/Post-Bacc program. You should look into applying to more reputable programs such as Tufts, Drexel, BU, Qunnipiac, Cincinnati or Georgetown. I doubt that you would want to blow 20K plus on a lousy program that will not judge you based on merit and hard work but instead will judge you on other biased factors.
            Thank you for taking the time to write this. I have a lot to think about. Also, am I to understand that Williams teaches most of the courses in the MBS program? So that would mean she teaches and advises? That sounds a bit shady. In general, would you say the courses were challenging? I've heard elsewhere that the courses were super hard, like for no reason super hard, looking to weed out students. Is this true?
             
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              Yes she does. Also she started to give teaching responsibilities to select post bacc students (who happen to be her favorites) teaching master level classes. Mind you these students only have a bachelors degree and are teaching students in masters classes. That is another main reason that you should avoid going here. The classes are not bad but are not structured with super high turnover rate in terms of professors. The grading in some of the classes taught by her are also very biased like I said. So if she likes you she will grade you differently than the person she doesn't like or know as well. Ask yourself a question do you want to be taught by someone with just a bachelors degree who frequently makes tons of mistakes when explaining? or would you be taught by someone who has expertise in the field they are teaching which will translate into you doing good on your mcat and becoming a stronger medical school candidate?
               
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                Yes she does. Also she started to give teaching responsibilities to select post bacc students (who happen to be her favorites) teaching master level classes. Mind you these students only have a bachelors degree and are teaching students in masters classes. That is another main reason that you should avoid going here. The classes are not bad but are not structured with super high turnover rate in terms of professors. The grading in some of the classes taught by her are also very biased like I said. So if she likes you she will grade you differently than the person she doesn't like or know as well. Ask yourself a question do you want to be taught by someone with just a bachelors degree who frequently makes tons of mistakes when explaining? or would you be taught by someone who has expertise in the field they are teaching which will translate into you doing good on your mcat and becoming a stronger medical school candidate?
                Thank you for shedding light on this. I had no idea. I'm glad I applied to a few others schools and hoping to hear back soon. I'm sorry you had to go through this, it sounds awful. What are your plans next? Are you considering a different post-bacc or trying for med school?
                 
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                  So I have had a few DO school interviews and one acceptance so far. Lets see how many more schools I can get into within the next couple of months and ill make my choice. My post bacc gpa was actually pretty good (3.91) but my whole experience kind of left a bad taste. And your'e totally welcome, I just don't want other hardworking students to make the same mistake as I did.
                   
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                    So I have had a few DO school interviews and one acceptance so far. Lets see how many more schools I can get into within the next couple of months and ill make my choice. My post bacc gpa was actually pretty good (3.91) but my whole experience kind of left a bad taste. And your'e totally welcome, I just don't want other hardworking students to make the same mistake as I did.
                    Congratulations! I'm glad to see you kept pushing through.
                     
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                    MedSkoolDude2020

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                      Did you also take this program? Or were you just considering it? I appreciate you guys being candid about this, as you know picking a school is a big step.
                      Yeah I did, and my experience was the same if not worse than what DOWhisperer said. Avoid this program, the director is not to be trusted. I have experienced some stuff in this program that I only heard of before. I picked this program because it was in close proximity to where I live and that was the only advantage of it. If I could press rewind I would go to a reputable program than this joke known as Elms College.
                       
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                      916mac

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                        I had a good experience at Elms and I credit this institution for helping me get into medical school (Rocky Vista University in CO). There are aspects of it that can be frustrating for sure, like the high turnover rate with professors, but you are attending a really small school that is underfunded. I would agree that if you can get into a school with a stronger linkage program you should probably do that (with their linkage program you are guaranteed an interview at LECOM but I have heard of plenty of folks not getting in there), but with this being a small school, if you are really serious about getting into medical school you can get individualized support you need. That is something that I am extremely grateful for and something that I didn't get going to a huge undergrad program that had like 24,000 undergrads. If you need any other information, feel free to contact me.
                         
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