EM AOA positions

[PsP for real]

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So exactly how competitive would one consider an AOA EM residency? What would the average COMLEX look like for some of these programs. As of now I am pretty much sold on OUHCOM so any information specific to them would be great to hear also.

 

[jphwki82]

So exactly how competitive would one consider an AOA EM residency? What would the average COMLEX look like for some of these programs. As of now I am pretty much sold on OUHCOM so any information specific to them would be great to hear also.

http://data.aacom.org/media/DO_GME_match_2009.pdf

 

[dntke1518]

http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/matres.htm

^^ This should give you the option to view by years starting from 2011, also you can view by school

 

[PsP for real]

So when I am looking at these reports aI am seeing the main factors, outside of scores, being research, volunteer, work, and publications. When they say work does this mean rotations or something else. I always thought you couldn't have a job while in school but this is giving me mixed signals.

 

[cliquesh]

So when I am looking at these reports aI am seeing the main factors, outside of scores, being research, volunteer, work, and publications. When they say work does this mean rotations or something else. I always thought you couldn't have a job while in school but this is giving me mixed signals.

hah, "Work" is employment. Your application for residency is a CV, so you can include anything and everything you've done. Also, I have several friends that work during med school; mainly on the weekends.

EM isn't too difficult to get into. Your board scores, recommendations, and audtion rotations are most important.

http://www.opportunities.osteopathic.org/ has a list of all of the AOA residencies.

 

[donkeykong1]

Do decent on the Comlex (like average to above average), schedule your 3rd and 4th rotations at those sites within the CORE that have those positions and basically show your preceptor that you're not a total introvert and have a lot of potential to be a great EM doc. If you do all of the above ur golden. Evrything else is secondary. Oh and btw, OU makes you do community service so thats covered. Research is something you can do between ur 1st and second year as well as during the year for work-study at OUHCOM.

 

[PsP for real]

hah, "Work" is employment. Your application for residency is a CV, so you can include anything and everything you've done. Also, I have several friends that work during med school; mainly on the weekends.

EM isn't too difficult to get into. Your board scores, recommendations, and audtion rotations are most important.

Ok haha. I know this is probably pretty simple to people are in med school but just trying to figure it out. So would this even include experiences in undergrad? I am also interested in Ortho so I know those are really different as far as competition go. Do people normally get research experience in the same topic they want to do in residency?

 

[cliquesh]

Ok haha. I know this is probably pretty simple to people are in med school but just trying to figure it out. So would this even include experiences in undergrad? I am also interested in Ortho so I know those are really different as far as competition go. Do people normally get research experience in the same topic they want to do in residency?

Yea, you can include stuff from college or before if you think it is worth while. Ideally, you would do research in the field you plan to apply to, but it isn't a huge deal if your research is in a different field because program directors expect you to change your mind throughout school. What is a huge deal, however, is a first authorship on a published paper. That is what elite programs are looking for. Research isn't really required for AOA EM or even AOA ortho.

 

[PsP for real]

Yea, you can include stuff from college or before if you think it is worth while. Ideally, you would do research in the field you plan to apply to, but it isn't a huge deal if your research is in a different field because program directors expect you to change your mind throughout school. What is a huge deal, however, is a first authorship on a published paper. That is what elite programs are looking for. Research isn't really required for AOA EM or even AOA ortho.

Great info! Thanks again. So would my basic O Chem and Signal Transduction research be something I would include then. No publications on either.

 

[fzwarrior]

Yea, you can include stuff from college or before if you think it is worth while. Ideally, you would do research in the field you plan to apply to, but it isn't a huge deal if your research is in a different field because program directors expect you to change your mind throughout school. What is a huge deal, however, is a first authorship on a published paper. That is what elite programs are looking for. Research isn't really required for AOA EM or even AOA ortho.

I am surprised that to hear you say that ortho doesn't require research since it is pretty competitive. Do DO students applying to ortho usually apply to both osteopathic and allopathic programs? Or is it pretty unlikely to land an MD ortho residency as a DO?

 

[cliquesh]

Great info! Thanks again. So would my basic O Chem and Signal Transduction research be something I would include then. No publications on either.

Without publications, probably not. If it was significant research or you were paid you might want to add it.

 

[cliquesh]

I am surprised that to hear you say that ortho doesn't require research since it is pretty competitive. Do DO students applying to ortho usually apply to both osteopathic and allopathic programs? Or is it pretty unlikely to land an MD ortho residency as a DO?

Its pretty unlikely to land an MD ortho residency. Don't quote me on this, but I think 3 people did it last year. So your best shot at ortho is going to be an AOA program and, for the most part, your boards, audition rotations and LORs are going to matter most. Sure, do research if you get the chance, but it isn't a huge deal, especially in the osteopathic world. AOA programs just want to see that you are smart and that you fit into their program well. If you are deadset on going to a MD program, you should do everything you can to max-out your resume, which includes research obviously.

Also, in case you don't know, the AOA match is before the ACGME match, so if you match an AOA program you are forced to withdrawl from the ACGME match. Most DO ortho hopefuls just apply to the AOA match.

 

[fzwarrior]

Its pretty unlikely to land an MD ortho residency. Don't quote me on this, but I think 3 people did it last year. So your best shot at ortho is going to be an AOA program and, for the most part, your boards, audition rotations and LORs are going to matter most. Sure, do research if you get the chance, but it isn't a huge deal, especially in the osteopathic world. AOA programs just want to see that you are smart and that you fit into their program well. If you are deadset on going to a MD program, you should do everything you can to max-out your resume, which includes research obviously.

Also, in case you don't know, the AOA match is before the ACGME match, so if you match an AOA program you are forced to withdrawl from the ACGME match. Most DO ortho hopefuls just apply to the AOA match.

Good info. Thanks!

 

[PsP for real]

So are fellowships in Ortho a must have by any means? I understand that they might be changing to where you have to do a ACGME residency to do a ACGME fellowship so how would Ortho be affected by this?

 

[cliquesh]

A lot of ortho docs do not do fellowships because the money is so good right after residency, so the competition for othro fellowships, such as spinal surgery, is pretty low, and its not uncommon for aoa trained ortho docs to get into these acgme fellowships. That might all change in the future, as you said.