EM hours/pay

[sizzler]

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This topic may have been covered ad nauseum...but I wanted people to post real life examples of EM physician weekly work schedules and salaries. This should be real info from people they know, not bogus numbers. I hear so much variation in the type of schedules EMs have, and I want to get some clarity on it.

 

[DrQuinn]

Originally posted by sizzler
This topic may have been covered ad nauseum...but I wanted people to post real life examples of EM physician weekly work schedules and salaries. This should be real info from people they know, not bogus numbers. I hear so much variation in the type of schedules EMs have, and I want to get some clarity on it.

Go back in this forum a few pages, you'll see that I started a thread with just your question.

Q, DO

 

[ERMudPhud]

Me: 4 clinical shifts a month each 9 hours long at slightly better than $200 an hour.

My wife: 9 shifts a month (considered 60% fulltime) at about 120K a year with great benefits from an HMO.

A classmate: 15-17 shifts month each 8-12 hours long in a busy private group making probably around or better than 400K a year-no benefits or malpractice coverage

 

[Primate]

Hey ERMudPhud,

How's the research going? You were kind enough to answer some questions I had about EM/research about a year ago and I'm wondering how the balance is working for you. I don't mean to shift the thrust of the thread too much, but this is kind of related to hours (combining the research with work and all). Do the hours spent in research supplement your clinical income?

Too bad there aren't more role models in the research end (or at least not readily available ones).

P

 

[Primate]

Quick follow up about academic pay. What do academic EPs make? Not what the average of all EPs, private practice or other situations, but what any actual EPs make in a university setting. Also, what are standard academic hours (# of shifts, length, etc.)? Anyone know?

Gotta run - kids are playing "tea" with real glasses......

Thanks,
P

 

[Sutureboy]

It varies a lot, mainly by location.

Starting salaries range from 120k to 160k. Salaries don't tell the whole story though. Many academic programs will have their junior faculty working 32-36 clinical hours/week, whereas others will only have them working 20-26h. Remember that in an academic department, you are expected to teach and do research as well as cover the shifts, so the total number of hours/week is longer than at the privates.

Salaries for senior staff can climb into the mid 200s' with many chairman exceeding the 300s.

Here is a more complete reference: http://www.saem.org/download/1435_1.pdf

 

[ERMudPhud]

Originally posted by Primate
Hey ERMudPhud,

How's the research going? You were kind enough to answer some questions I had about EM/research about a year ago and I'm wondering how the balance is working for you. I don't mean to shift the thrust of the thread too much, but this is kind of related to hours (combining the research with work and all). Do the hours spent in research supplement your clinical income?

Too bad there aren't more role models in the research end (or at least not readily available ones).

P

Research is going pretty well. I just got a three year grant from a big drug company to study what I was already studying. Even better I was competing with MD/Phd Immunologists and Rheumatologist nationwide for the grant. I am writing two papers now but don't expect to have them out until the end of 2004.

The research does pay and I could probably get paid more if didn't want a big chunk of the grant to go to research support. I make more than twice as much per year working my 4 ED shifts per month than I do working >40 hours per week in the lab. I see research as a really expensive hobby or avocation since I could make much more in the ED with those hours if that was my goal.

 

[ERMudPhud]

Originally posted by Sutureboy
Salaries don't tell the whole story though.

The other side of the story is that benefits in an academic setting are often killer. Good retirement, vacation, cme time etc... There is also something to be said for working in an academic environment. Constant exposure to new ideas. Learning from other services. Teaching

 

[uclacrewdude]

Originally posted by ERMudPhud
The other side of the story is that benefits in an academic setting are often killer. Good retirement, vacation, cme time etc... There is also something to be said for working in an academic environment. Constant exposure to new ideas. Learning from other services. Teaching

whats cme time?

 

[deleted6669]

CME=CONTINUING MEDICAL EDUCATION.
The em docs I work with make $145/hour plus malpractice and vacation only. they have to buy their own benefits and fund their own retirement. they pay the pa's $65/hr plus a full benefits package with retirement, bonuses,vacation, medical/dental/vision and malpractice.

 

[bcrosspac]

emedpa-

I am a 4th year med student and ER PA (7+ yrs exp). I really liked your reply on the PA thread - you responded so well I didnt even need to chime in. I am currently discussing my salary with my medical director. I am making $42 per hour "per diem" here in South Florida. If I may ask, where are you that they pay $65 per hour? Too bad I graduate med school in May otherwise I'd move. Thanks for sticking up for us mid-level providers. I will never forget my roots!

Bill

 

[deleted6669]

PACIFIC NORTHWEST WORKING FOR AN INDEPENDENT EM GROUP