Emergency Medicine Residencies for IMGs?

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Mayo traditionally takes around 2 per year.
 
domer621 said:
Mayo traditionally takes around 2 per year.
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I think Mayo traditionally takes exceptional IMGs who are foreign nationals... When I interviewed there there were 2 IMGs per class but they had CVs longer than my arm. I think one of them is actually a Japanese ambassador or something. Looking at their page, I don't think they have taken US citizens who studied abroad, but I could be wrong.
 
I'll look into Mayo. Any others?
 
http://match.emra.org/index.php?fuseaction=results&searchType=allResidency

If you look at each residency details page, you'll find out how many IMGs they currently have, and how many they've had in the past 5 years.

Sucks to manually search, but you'll get a better idea in 1-2 hours than waiting for the forum to answer in dribs and drabs.

I would print them out using the 'printer friendly' link - beats having to scroll through 3 web pages.
 
Some of those stats are preety inaccurate. I've compared to some of their stats on there to the residency websites and many of the programs have 0 FMG/IMG's listed on EMRA but have a couple to a few listed on their residency site, same goes for their DO statistics.
 
igcgnerd said:
Some of those stats are preety inaccurate. I've compared to some of their stats on there to the residency websites and many of the programs have 0 FMG/IMG's listed on EMRA but have a couple to a few listed on their residency site, same goes for their DO statistics.
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EMRA recently "revamped" = screwed up, their site, and either did not import the data, or requested programs update the site but many have not complied.

When I used it to research programs, the info was fresher. I suppose the OP could simply go to each residency website and look up their current resident roster. Most sites haven't changed over to include the incoming residents.
 
tkim said:
I suppose the OP could simply go to each residency website and look up their current resident roster. Most sites haven't changed over to include the incoming residents.
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I supposed I must perform that research myself... I was just checking if there are more efficient ways to do so, or if someone has already done this...
 
Two more program that take IMG's reguraly off the top of my head are Albert Einstein in phili and Newark beth isreal.
 
I think the Vegas and corpus christi program are/was IMG friendly, may want to check them out
 
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most of the det programs are IMG friendly.
 
Lots of the NYC programs take IMG's as well. Also be sure to look at the 'newer' programs. Most (not all) strongly consider IMG's.
 
MushieCookie said:
Lots of the NYC programs take IMG's as well. Also be sure to look at the 'newer' programs. Most (not all) strongly consider IMG's.
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Honestly - I think there are very few programs that wouldn't at least CONSIDER IMGs. Besides, you'll never find a published admission by any program that states otherwise (I think this would be illegal, if not just distasteful).

To be fair, there is NO DOUBT that the perception is that the bar is raised a little for IMGs in terms of getting an interview. But rather than some unacknowledged, xenophobic bias, I think this is largely a function of the fact that it is often difficult to know what an IMGs standing is in his/her class, or what the transcript grades really mean. Hell, in the U.K. and Ireland, a candidate with an average grade of 71% in medical school just might be the top medical student out of a class of over one hundred. It's tough for residency programs in the U.S. to keep up with the nuances, plus it's not really reasonable for them to do so. Many, probably, don't even try.
So, the IMGs who do get the interviews are the ones with high board scores and otherwise outstanding credentials (publications, etc.) giving the perception that the bar is higher.

What's my point to this post in response to the OP? As an IMG, you should be prepared to apply to a lot of programs. But DEFINITELY don't just target those that have a supposed reputation for taking IMGs. If you did this, I think you'd miss out on the potential to explore certain programs that you might not have applied to otherwise.

Best of luck.
 
medsRus said:
Vegas is certainly NOT IMG friendly!
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http://www.lasvegasemr.com/residents/class2009.html

JOSHUA BIGLER, MD
Hometown: Tacoma, Washington
Undergraduate: University of Washington
Medical School: Ross University

HILARY MEGAN CRAWFORD, MD
Hometown: Dayton, Nevada
Undergraduate: University of Nevada, Reno
Medical school: Ross University

RAJENDER NARLA, MD
Hometown: Hyderabad, India
Graduate school: Georgia Institute of Technology
Medical school: MRMC
 
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I interviewed there in Jan of 07 for the 07 match, and the above mentioned IMG's were from their very first class. The 07 match, Vegas was one of the two programs that didn't fill, their second year as a program. I was told that the program chose to do this, so they could scramble american grads for their additional 3 spots. I heard this from someone who really wanted to match there, and was somewhat bitter about not matching, so take it for what it's worth. I don't know if they matched IMG's for the 08 match.
 
medsRus said:
Vegas is certainly NOT IMG friendly!
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That whole hospital is IMG friendly :slap: . The EM program is probably the most selective...besides the one plastics spot.
 
npdoc28 said:
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I interviewed there in Jan of 07 for the 07 match, and the above mentioned IMG's were from their very first class. The 07 match, Vegas was one of the two programs that didn't fill, their second year as a program. I was told that the program chose to do this, so they could scramble american grads for their additional 3 spots. I heard this from someone who really wanted to match there, and was somewhat bitter about not matching, so take it for what it's worth. I don't know if they matched IMG's for the 08 match.
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That sucks...but as long as there is a DO as Chair and PD, I think we are safe
 
Lincoln Hopspital and NYH-Queens in NYC are definitely IMG friendly. Also NJMS (Newark) in NJ.
 
I'm graduating from Ross in 09, I've recieved interviews @ Maimonidies, U.S.Florida, U. arkansas, U.Toledo, Allegheny Gen Hosp., Texas Tech, U., and Wayne State University/Detroit so far..this tells you..apply to EVERYTING...at first i was selective only applying to schools which previously accepted IMG..but I found out that many websites are not updated, and it's worth the extra few bucks to ensure you only have to go through this dreaded processes once.
Also, I was rejected by programs that accepted IMGs in the past..(that i thought for sure I would be invited...wierd)
So, to be safe, just apply to 50+ programs....
Good luck!
 
USF has IMG's and they are all excellent residents. Our program is more interested in finding quality residents and less concerned about where you graduated medical school.
 
Captainwada said:
I'm graduating from Ross in 09, I've recieved interviews @ Maimonidies, U.S.Florida, U. arkansas, U.Toledo, Allegheny Gen Hosp., Texas Tech, U., and Wayne State University/Detroit so far..this tells you..apply to EVERYTING...at first i was selective only applying to schools which previously accepted IMG..but I found out that many websites are not updated, and it's worth the extra few bucks to ensure you only have to go through this dreaded processes once.
Also, I was rejected by programs that accepted IMGs in the past..(that i thought for sure I would be invited...wierd)
So, to be safe, just apply to 50+ programs....
Good luck!
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Do you already have all your Steps done?
 
I'm from SGU applying to EM. I got interviews from St John's, Wayne State Receiving, Lincoln and Kern. I'm all done with the Steps. My 2nd SLOR came in last week finally making my application complete. I hear things should start picking up after the Dean's Letter. I applied to over 60 programs and only have 4 interviews. I'm hoping things start to pick up. Good luck to all.
 
datucatu said:
I'm from SGU applying to EM. I got interviews from St John's, Wayne State Receiving, Lincoln and Kern. I'm all done with the Steps. My 2nd SLOR came in last week finally making my application complete. I hear things should start picking up after the Dean's Letter. I applied to over 60 programs and only have 4 interviews. I'm hoping things start to pick up. Good luck to all.
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what are ur step scores?
 
datucatu said:
Step 1 229/95
Step 2 244/99
CS Pass

Just got interviews from Wayne State/Sinai Grace and Brooklyn Hospital.
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with those scores why aren't u getting more invites??? 😕 did u apply late or something? i've only been getting rejections after dean's letter came out, it's been a depressing month so far...
i've been hitting the MGM in detroit to help :beat:
 
quideam said:
Lincoln Hopspital and NYH-Queens in NYC are definitely IMG friendly. Also NJMS (Newark) in NJ.
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Sorry but NYHQ does not interview IMGs. We did make an exception last year, but that person was super well published and an expert in lung US from Brazil.
 
c.bear said:
Sorry but NYHQ does not interview IMGs. We did make an exception last year, but that person was super well published and an expert in lung US from Brazil.
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Can there be a policy like that?
 
c.bear said:
Sorry but NYHQ does not interview IMGs. We did make an exception last year, but that person was super well published and an expert in lung US from Brazil.
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That is absolutely unreasonable!

From the site, sure I see Fernando Silva, MD, from IUniversidade Federal de Pelotas. And there are DOs and one from Ponce medical school...
 
medsRus said:
That is absolutely unreasonable!

From the site, sure I see Fernando Silva, MD, from IUniversidade Federal de Pelotas. And there are DOs and one from Ponce medical school...
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You're kidding, right?

Universidade Federal de Pelotas is in Brazil (so he's probably the lung US expert c.bear mentioned).

DOs are not IMGs; they face a lot less discrimination than IMGs might.

And Ponce is in Puerto Rico and is LCME accredited school. It is considered an American medical school.
 
medsRus said:
That is absolutely unreasonable!

From the site, sure I see Fernando Silva, MD, from IUniversidade Federal de Pelotas. And there are DOs and one from Ponce medical school...
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I thought you were persuing a neurology residency now.
 
c.bear said:
Sorry but NYHQ does not interview IMGs. We did make an exception last year, but that person was super well published and an expert in lung US from Brazil.
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I am not an IMG, but I have friends that are. This post kind of turned me off. Many of the best programs in the country interview, train, and graduate IMGs, and even the programs that don't, I don't think they would make as bold a statement as to publically say "sorry we don't interview IMGs." Now here we have a program like NYHQ, as good as it might be, is new and virtually unheard of outside of NYC. I want to see NYHQ say it to the faces of IMG attendings that graduated from Jacobi, Cook, Carolinas, USC...etc. For the EM residents that listen to EM:RAP, you all know that Mel and Stuart are IMGs themselves. Who does NYHQ think they are?

Is not interviewing IMGs the program's policy? or is it this resident's opinion alone? And if it is the resident's opinion, I hope this kind of arrogance is not shared or even tolerated by the faculty and other residents.
 
Soonie said:
I am not an IMG, but I have friends that are. This post kind of turned me off. Many of the best programs in the country interview, train, and graduate IMGs, and even the programs that don't, I don't think they would make as bold a statement as to publically say "sorry we don't interview IMGs." Now here we have a program like NYHQ, as good as it might be, is new and virtually unheard of outside of NYC. I want to see NYHQ say it to the faces of IMG attendings that graduated from Jacobi, Cook, Carolinas, USC...etc. For the EM residents that listen to EM:RAP, you all know that Mel and Stuart are IMGs themselves. Who does NYHQ think they are?

Is not interviewing IMGs the program's policy? or is it this resident's opinion alone? And if it is the resident's opinion, I hope this kind of arrogance is not shared or even tolerated by the faculty and other residents.
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There's a difference between International and Foreign Medical Graduates, at least I've been told. Mel and Stuart are graduates of med schools in their own countries. Stuart from an LCME-accredited school, no less. Lots of US citizens attend schools outside the US. There's a difference. I don't know what NYHQ's stance is on FMG versus IMG.

That said, my program has FMG's and IMG's and they're no different than anyone else, in my opinion.
 
Oh dear, did not mean to sound like that at all - I need to proof-read. And I apologize for stirring the pot on this one. Of course there is no policy like that and it was my mistake for making it sound like that - and I am sure my hospital would be disappointed I sounded that way.

All I meant is we really don't interview many IMGs and the ones we do are pretty exceptional. The first year of our program, we were pretty IMG friendly but now it is more rare. The program also has gotten more competitive in general.

Sorry for the offensive post. I re-read it tonight and simply thought geeze that is not what I meant at all.
 
There is such a huge difference in the quality of students from foreign schools that it would be hard to say most are bad or inferior when compared to US students. Now I know it wasn't said in so many words on this site but it is an unstated bias that may have had it's place before but now I am not so sure.
Yes some schools education program is really inferior when compared to US schools but if the students can show they have learned what it takes to pass USMLE Step 1 and go on to get excellent clinical grades Pass Step 2CK and CS shouldn't they be given the same chance as everyone else? There are many who should never have gone into medicine to begin with but I have also seen some truly excellent students who really work hard because they have had to work extra hard just to prove themselves. Everyone has a story or has reasons they maybe missed out on a US school maybe it is time we rated people on their skills and not just the school they went to as I have seen some very poor students/doctors from excellent US schools.

This is not directed to anyone or at any post in particular just a rant I guess because I am tired of hearing that I am a really excellent student and then seeing the surprised look on their faces when they find out I am a FMG.
 
I second that, and dare go even further - even non-US citizens applying for residency can be good. I have had program telling me "we do not accept non-US citizens".
It didn't matter that two of my professors are nobel prize laureates, or my grades, or my boards in the 250s, or other parts of my CV...
but i'm not bitter, or anything 😛
Hope to see some of you on the interview trail...
 
c.bear said:
Oh dear, did not mean to sound like that at all - I need to proof-read. And I apologize for stirring the pot on this one. Of course there is no policy like that and it was my mistake for making it sound like that - and I am sure my hospital would be disappointed I sounded that way.

All I meant is we really don't interview many IMGs and the ones we do are pretty exceptional. The first year of our program, we were pretty IMG friendly but now it is more rare. The program also has gotten more competitive in general.

Sorry for the offensive post. I re-read it tonight and simply thought geeze that is not what I meant at all.
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More competitive? What about the DO student with mediocre board scores that NYHQ just pre-matched😱 for this upcoming class? I don't mean that DO students make the program less competitive by any means, and I'm sure he/she is "pretty exceptional" as well, but the fact that NYHQ signs anybody outside the match just doesn't match the self-described "competitive" image.

But my reply is not about this pre-matched student. I just want to point out that people might get wary at all these terms "competitive" or "exceptional," as if NYHQ is somehow special, that other programs accept residents, IMG or not, that are less than exceptional. As if IMGs, before you even know who a certain applicant is, is by default already an uncompetitive future physician that NYHQ just doesn't interview too many. And you wonder how much of this competitive image is self-preceived by NYHQ, and then having to live up to it, and end up judging even its own residents by these labels and and feel the need to defend it in order to self-satisfy this image, "he's an IMG but oh well he's pretty exceptional." That's just kind of sad. So please don't reply trying to defend how exceptional this pre-matched DO student is, or anyone else in your program, in order to justify how a competitive program like NYHQ(or Booth Memorial Hospital before it somehow obtained itself a Cornell "affiliation") could ever pre-match or match any certain resident. We get it, and treat your own residents and other applicants with some respect please.
 
wckedjkster said:
with those scores why aren't u getting more invites??? 😕 did u apply late or something? i've only been getting rejections after dean's letter came out, it's been a depressing month so far...
i've been hitting the MGM in detroit to help :beat:
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It's been pretty brutal since the dean's letter for me too. I was expecting the opposite. I applied early, 9/2, but I didn't get my SLORs until mid Oct. Not sure if that made the difference. I'm hoping for better news once people start cancelling interviews but might have to settle for what I have.
 
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