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[txtoothdr]

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Hi everyone!
I am a second year dental student and am pretty interested in endo. The match stats page does not have a lot of endo information and I was wondering if anyone on the forum matched into endo and would like to post their stats?
Thanks everyone and congrats this year!

 

[toofache32]

If you're wanting to get into Endo straight out of dental school, you should practice walking on water. Obviously, the higher the grades/boards/rank the better. You might try asking some program directors what kind of numbers their successful applicants tend to have.

 

[KY2007]

A 4th year at my school got in and is not in the top ten of the class. Exception to the rule but anything is possible.

 

[cuneatus2]

If you're wanting to get into Endo straight out of dental school, you should practice walking on water. Obviously, the higher the grades/boards/rank the better. You might try asking some program directors what kind of numbers their successful applicants tend to have.

Hmmmm....quite a few of my classmates got into endo this year.

 

[txtoothdr]

Hi everyone,
I guess just to give everyone an idea of what might be interesting to us third years...

Thanks again!

Where you are going:
Dental School Attended:
Year Earned DDS:
NBDE Part I/II scores:
Class Ranking:
Match/Non-Match:
Externship(s) and where they were:
Research:
Extracurriculars:
Programs applied to/Interviews received/Interviews Attended/Ranked programs:

 

[txtoothdr]

So really no endo people out there willing to share???

 

[bmg4bmw]

Year Earned DDS: 2000
NBDE Part I/II scores: 92/85
Class Ranking: 11/75
Match/Non-Match: non
Externship(s) and where they were: gpr - ucla
Research: 1 poster presentation @ iadr
Extracurriculars: who doesn't
Programs applied to/Interviews received/Interviews Attended/Ranked programs: applied to 16, interviewed at 4 accepted 1, graduating in 2 months

 

[SuperTrooper]

Year Earned DDS: 2000
NBDE Part I/II scores: 92/85
Class Ranking: 11/75
Match/Non-Match: non
Externship(s) and where they were: gpr - ucla
Research: 1 poster presentation @ iadr
Extracurriculars: who doesn't
Programs applied to/Interviews received/Interviews Attended/Ranked programs: applied to 16, interviewed at 4 accepted 1, graduating in 2 months

bmg4bmw. I'm sorta interested in endo. I was wondering though, how difficult can some of the cases get? What's the longest you've spent doing a root canal? Also, how many root canals do you think the typical endodontist does in a 9-to-5 work day?

 

[Rezdawg]

bmg4bmw. I'm sorta interested in endo. I was wondering though, how difficult can some of the cases get? What's the longest you've spent doing a root canal? Also, how many root canals do you think the typical endodontist does in a 9-to-5 work day?

The endodontist I shadowed schedules about 2 patients per hour....about 16 on any given day.

 

[SuperTrooper]

The endodontist I shadowed schedules about 2 patients per hour....about 16 on any given day.

ok, not that i'm all about money, but isn't this somewhat correct:
16 endos/day x $700 average per endo x 5 days a week x 40 weeks a year
= $2,240,000
Now, I hear that endo has the lowest overhead of any dental specialty. So, let's assume conservatively 50% overhead:
$2,240,000 x 0.5 = $1,120,000
This can't be correct, can it?!

 

[ElDienteLoco]

Your numbers are a little off for a few reasons....I don't know any endodontists who work more than four days a week and only in Utah does an endodontist charge $700. Here in Phoenix its closer to $1000! Also, If Rezdawg knows where to set up shop and have 16 start to finish cases per day...he should keep that a secret because that's amazingly busy. I think that 8-12 is reasonable depending on your area from my limited experience.

 

[ElDienteLoco]

IMHO...

If you don't absolutely love working a 6 k file down a calcified MB2 then you shouldn't specialize in endo. General dentists now do as much endo as they want to and can send the maxillary 2nd molars with no clinical crowns in patients with 20 mm opening to someone else to deal with. I know people who can't get over how "lucrative" endo is, but there's plenty of money to be made in general. Just think about the two extra years that you could practice if you didn't go to endo school. If you counted those two extra years as two more years at your peak, then the opportunity cost of endo school could be well over $500,000! It takes a while to recoup that if you aren't in a practice seeing "16" cases a day. Depending on where you are, the money really isn't that different in the long run. If, however, you absolutely love it...or just like it and hate everything else...then go for it.

 

[adamlc18]

IMHO...

If you don't absolutely love working a 6 k file down a calcified MB2 then you shouldn't specialize in endo. General dentists now do as much endo as they want to and can send the maxillary 2nd molars with no clinical crowns in patients with 20 mm opening to someone else to deal with. I know people who can't get over how "lucrative" endo is, but there's plenty of money to be made in general. Just think about the two extra years that you could practice if you didn't go to endo school. If you counted those two extra years as two more years at your peak, then the opportunity cost of endo school could be well over $500,000! It takes a while to recoup that if you aren't in a practice seeing "16" cases a day. Depending on where you are, the money really isn't that different in the long run. If, however, you absolutely love it...or just like it and hate everything else...then go for it.

Isn't all this coming from a guy who plans on doing endo?

 

[kato999]

16/day seems a bit on the higher end. Maybe I've talked to the "slower" endodontists, but the ones I talked to did 7-12 day from what I heard. Still if file masturbation is your thing, endodontics is rewarding financially.

Also, I know many programs like to accept dentists with a few years experience, but there are still plenty of applicants that get in right out of school.

 

[Rezdawg]

ok, not that i'm all about money, but isn't this somewhat correct:
16 endos/day x $700 average per endo x 5 days a week x 40 weeks a year
= $2,240,000
Now, I hear that endo has the lowest overhead of any dental specialty. So, let's assume conservatively 50% overhead:
$2,240,000 x 0.5 = $1,120,000
This can't be correct, can it?!

She worked 4 days a week...not exactly sure how much she charged per procedure. I know that her gross was well into the 7 figures, around 1.2-1.4 million.

Her spot is in a busy part of Houston.

 

[ElDienteLoco]

Isn't all this coming from a guy who plans on doing endo?

Hopefully.

I am currently trying to get involved in enough research to be a complete applicant. I really love endo and would encourage anyone else who loves it to pursue it. I was just saying that in the big picture...the money isn't that different from general dentistry. Since I'm not into endo for the money compared to general, it is a great fit for me and well worth the extra time of being dirt poor while training. I can't wait to be able to do apicos on my own!

 

[Yah-E]

I was wondering if anyone on the forum matched into endo

Endo programs does not participate in MATCH. They accept to their discretion.

 

[OMFSdoc]

Hopefully.

I am currently trying to get involved in enough research to be a complete applicant. I really love endo and would encourage anyone else who loves it to pursue it. I was just saying that in the big picture...the money isn't that different from general dentistry. Since I'm not into endo for the money compared to general, it is a great fit for me and well worth the extra time of being dirt poor while training. I can't wait to be able to do apicos on my own!

Dude, you are way off. The money is VERY different between endo and general. Not only the $$$, but the quality of life. Endo working 4 days a week with 1.5hr lunches would equal a general dentist working 6 days a week. Working every saturday compared to weekends starting on Thursday is a huge difference. There is no comparison. I agree, don't do endo unless you don't mind doing RCT's all day long, BUT if you don't mind doing them, DO ENDO.

 

[txtoothdr]

Year Earned DDS: 2000
NBDE Part I/II scores: 92/85
Class Ranking: 11/75
Match/Non-Match: non
Externship(s) and where they were: gpr - ucla
Research: 1 poster presentation @ iadr
Extracurriculars: who doesn't
Programs applied to/Interviews received/Interviews Attended/Ranked programs: applied to 16, interviewed at 4 accepted 1, graduating in 2 months

THANK YOU for responding!

Yah-E: thanks for the heads up. Congrats this year!

Anymore??

 

[dexadental]

I'm interested in endo and will be attending Nova this fall to begin dental school. I talked to Yah about this, but dude, I lost your number...heh. Should I get involved in research early to be as competitive as possible? Any faculty you can advise me to talk to? How is Nova's endo program? I'm kinda torn between oral surgery and endo, but can't imagine 4 more years of med school on top of dental school.

 

[aphistis]

OMS residency != med school.

The residency is four years. Med school is, besides optional & commonly omitted, in addition to whatever time is spent in OMS training.

 

[toofache32]

OMS residency != med school.

The residency is four years. Med school is, besides optional & commonly omitted, in addition to whatever time is spent in OMS training.

Most OMFS guys would agree that med school is the easy part of OMFS residency.

 

[drhobie7]

I'm interested in endo and will be attending Nova this fall to begin dental school. I talked to Yah about this, but dude, I lost your number...heh. Should I get involved in research early to be as competitive as possible? Any faculty you can advise me to talk to? How is Nova's endo program? I'm kinda torn between oral surgery and endo, but can't imagine 4 more years of med school on top of dental school.

Yeah, find a good person to do research with. It's important for endo. Join the endo study club, or make one if it doesn't exist already. Go talk to the chairman of the endo dept and tell him/her you want to learn more about despite the fact that you're just a 1st year. It's a good idea to get started early. If you wait until 3rd year you may not have enough time to sufficiently feel out every specialty. Plus, doing endo on a typodont is not a good representation of doing it on a person.

 

[herodontist]

Bumping for more discussion.

 

[the_pulp]

16 is too high.
plus remember that 16 cases is not equal to 16 completed RCT's.

A lot of cases are done in 2 visits (emergencies, necrotic cases etc).

On average endodontists complete 5-8 cases a day. that is still good money.
I should put that up on my myspace page.