EP vacation?

[bcsmith]

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Hey guys, it's been a long time since I've posted - just trying to get through this PGY1 year =) This is a question directed toward some of the working EPs out there - Sessamoid or others:

How many vacation weeks are available to a typical EP? Are these weeks reimbursed at the full time hourly rate, or are they essentially without pay?

I do realize that for every EP group, there exists a unique payment structure / contract / vacation time - but what are the numbers you have heard? I will be looking for a job in the SE US in particular, so any regional information would be helpful as well.

Thanks

 

[Apollyon]

One of our attendings told me that, before he came to us, at his community job in Westchester county (NY), he got 7 weeks paid vacation off per year.

 

[docB]

I get no paid vacation. I can structure my schedule to get just about anything I want in terms of time off.

 

[Sessamoid]

"Paid vacation" is unusual in EM. Really, there's no such thing. The money has to come from somewhere. So if you get a "paid vacation" that's still coming out of somebody's earnings, and probably your own.

Personally, I've never worked anyplace where I got paid for not being there. If I want time off, I just tell the group(s) not to schedule me for that time. Sometimes you can't get the exact time you want off, but usually it's not a problem.

 

[Apollyon]

"Paid vacation" is unusual in EM. Really, there's no such thing. The money has to come from somewhere. So if you get a "paid vacation" that's still coming out of somebody's earnings, and probably your own.

Personally, I've never worked anyplace where I got paid for not being there. If I want time off, I just tell the group(s) not to schedule me for that time. Sometimes you can't get the exact time you want off, but usually it's not a problem.

When he told me, I just thought it meant he still got paid, even while he was off (similar to salaried academics) - if it's not "eat what you kill", it's a regularly scheduled payout (if it IS "eat what you kill", then, obviously, no work, no pay).

I don't know if he was part of the group.

 

[NinerNiner999]

Eat, kill, kill eat? "MP, YP - I don't know what you're talking about but I feel like kicking some F@#ing ASS!" - Dirk Diggler

j/k Apollyon - thought the DD reference would make ya smile...

From what I have heard some practices offer paid vacation as part of their "bonus package" or partner track - making it a perk for the tenured. I have also heard that some places make you fend for yourself the first couple of years in practice with 2-3 weeks off per year, moving the meat for the partners who make the real cashola. I guess it depends what your goals are for the "perfect job."

 

[bcsmith]

Personally, I've never worked anyplace where I got paid for not being there. If I want time off, I just tell the group(s) not to schedule me for that time. Sometimes you can't get the exact time you want off, but usually it's not a problem.

Thanks for the candid reply. That being said, sessamoid, how much time off do you normally take in a year? Also, when you ask the group for the time off, do they expect you to work more other times to keep up your hours in that month or payperiod? 😎

Ben

 

[Sessamoid]

Thanks for the candid reply. That being said, sessamoid, how much time off do you normally take in a year? Also, when you ask the group for the time off, do they expect you to work more other times to keep up your hours in that month or payperiod? 😎

Ben

Well, seeing as I'm between one full-time job and the next, I'm taking most of this month off. 🙂 Normally, I'll take a couple weeks, with some other stretches that aren't quite as long as part of the normal schedule. Whether or not you are expected to "make up" the hours you take off depends on your group and/or work arrangement. In general, you won't be expected to "make up" time taken as vacation, unless it happens to be during a high demand period (Christmas, New Years, Thanksgiving, Independence Day, etc.).