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[TooMuchResearch]

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Yeah I mean it seems like the typical burden is 3-5pts per hour at my sites with APP patients (I see all of them.) If the average patient reimbursement is 160 dollars/pt 500/hr sounds like a deal.

How bad is your payor mix? Unless it's terrible terrible, they're getting more than $160.

 

[EctopicFetus]

How bad is your payor mix? Unless it's terrible terrible, they're getting more than $160.

The APP investor presentation said $165/pt. Similar for usacs. With the nsa it’s surely lower. Haven’t heard any updated info.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

The APP investor presentation said $165/pt. Similar for usacs. With the nsa it’s surely lower. Haven’t heard any updated info.

Huh. Our per patient average dropped last year but is still considerably more than $165.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Huh. Our per patient average dropped last year but is still considerably more than $165.

I’m referring to their overall number. Pre nsa usacs was at a similar number and this is for a fairly large number of patients.

Toomuch are you in an sdg? I can’t recall where everyone is here and their jobs.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

I’m referring to their overall number. Pre nsa usacs was at a similar number and this is for a fairly large number of patients.

Toomuch are you in an sdg? I can’t recall where everyone is here and their jobs.

Yes, we're a democratic group. It's nice knowing what actual reimbursement per patient is on average down to the actual cent at each hospital.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Yes, we're a democratic group. It's nice knowing what actual reimbursement per patient is on average down to the actual cent at each hospital.

Yep. My group has that as well. Game changer.

 

[TeddyBoomBoom]

I have gotten a handful of completely *****ic emails/ calls from these people. My solution is to always push back and give them more work to do. I used to do this work myself but realized that they didnt care that I put forth effort into a response. Now I place the burden on them to show me the data/proof. It is an amazing tactic as it makes them feel you are engaged and gives them something to do during the bankers hours they work

I…love this…

 

[EctopicFetus]

Huh. Our per patient average dropped last year but is still considerably more than $165.

Private group? The public data from USACS pointed to them getting 165/pt.. It is in the APP data as well. Keep in mind the APP info was in their investor presentation and the APP data explicitly said it didnt include hospital subsidies. The USACS data was taking their revenue and dividing it by their patient volume which was in some public data related to their debt.

There are many private groups who average 130/pt.