Yes, I am wondering why Freddo has such a poor opinion of EVMS in comparison to temple, cincinatti and georgetown smp programs, as demonstrated in another recent thread.
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Read through the entire thread. It has been discussed in length
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Wow, I haven't checked the EVMS MM thread since I got into the 2013 MM program!
I am a first year MD at EVMS, and am happy to have chosen this school. I don't want to spend much time on this thread, since I have other work to do, but I would like like to give a quick update and a word of encouragement.
There were 40 students in my program and I was among the first batch to be accepted. I honored almost all of my classes in MM, had a decent MCAT and GPA, but was stilled worried about getting accepted.
However, things have changed for this year. With 66 students (now 64), obviously not every student can be accepted. Therefore, there has been a lot of doubt and fear among this class. I believe that this is contributing to the negative outlook upon this program, especially by those who are not in the top percentile.
Regardless of this new class size increase, it does not change the fact that a great amount of MM students will be accepted. If you are thinking about coming to EVMS, take a honest look at your work ethic to evaluate whether or not you will be among the top 25% of your class. I can almost guarantee you that if you achieve top marks in all of your classes and are a well-rounded and well-liked student, they have no excuse not to accept you. (Even if you achieve marginally above average in your classes, you will still likely get in, but not nearly as guaranteed).
In my class, almost everyone had been accepted to almost every SMP out there. Yet, we chose EVMS. This was because at the time, it was one of the best SMPs out there.
Things have changed, but EVMS still does have a great SMP that allows you to prove your worth and still has one of the highest linkages amongst all programs.
I am a first year MD at EVMS, and am happy to have chosen this school. I don't want to spend much time on this thread, since I have other work to do, but I would like like to give a quick update and a word of encouragement.
There were 40 students in my program and I was among the first batch to be accepted. I honored almost all of my classes in MM, had a decent MCAT and GPA, but was stilled worried about getting accepted.
However, things have changed for this year. With 66 students (now 64), obviously not every student can be accepted. Therefore, there has been a lot of doubt and fear among this class. I believe that this is contributing to the negative outlook upon this program, especially by those who are not in the top percentile.
Regardless of this new class size increase, it does not change the fact that a great amount of MM students will be accepted. If you are thinking about coming to EVMS, take a honest look at your work ethic to evaluate whether or not you will be among the top 25% of your class. I can almost guarantee you that if you achieve top marks in all of your classes and are a well-rounded and well-liked student, they have no excuse not to accept you. (Even if you achieve marginally above average in your classes, you will still likely get in, but not nearly as guaranteed).
In my class, almost everyone had been accepted to almost every SMP out there. Yet, we chose EVMS. This was because at the time, it was one of the best SMPs out there.
Things have changed, but EVMS still does have a great SMP that allows you to prove your worth and still has one of the highest linkages amongst all programs.
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So out of the 64 this year how many are going to EVMS next year?
and are they accepting 66 for the 2014-2015 class as well?
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1st question: Word is coming down the pipeline that the admissions committee only expects 30/66 people to be accepted into the MD program this time. (Actually, 2 people already dropped out so it's more like 30/64.)
2nd question: They are estimating a masters class size of 100 people next year.
sounds like a money grab. they are probably gonna stick to 30/100 next year as well
What do the people who dont get in do? Do they get in somewhere else or what?
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They are expecting at around 30 people which might go up to upper 30s if waitlist goes fast in May/June.
Remember, if one MM choose home institution over EVMS does not mean that one MM from the lower tier will get in.
To any future applicants,
Come here only if you have great work ethics and if your MCAT is good. you are here to repair your GPA so UG GPA matters a bit less than MCAT.
If you come in with a 38 mcat and gets 3.2 GPA, then it says something about your work ethics, which the adcom people might take into consideration.
I disagree with soybean28. This program's overall experience will go down next year.
Due to several reasons:
1) increase in class size - increase cutthroat competition - decrease EVMS' unique community experience
2) increase in class size of all master programs - decrease resources (lib books, library rooms etc) available for students all round (MD, PA,SA,MM,MPH)
3) Segregation of classes (possibly) - 100 MMs and 150 MD students are not going to all fit in the main auditorium at the same time - segregated small groups (this started this year)
The president came from Drexel; just look at Drexel SMP.
Remember, if one MM choose home institution over EVMS does not mean that one MM from the lower tier will get in.
To any future applicants,
Come here only if you have great work ethics and if your MCAT is good. you are here to repair your GPA so UG GPA matters a bit less than MCAT.
If you come in with a 38 mcat and gets 3.2 GPA, then it says something about your work ethics, which the adcom people might take into consideration.
I disagree with soybean28. This program's overall experience will go down next year.
Due to several reasons:
1) increase in class size - increase cutthroat competition - decrease EVMS' unique community experience
2) increase in class size of all master programs - decrease resources (lib books, library rooms etc) available for students all round (MD, PA,SA,MM,MPH)
3) Segregation of classes (possibly) - 100 MMs and 150 MD students are not going to all fit in the main auditorium at the same time - segregated small groups (this started this year)
The president came from Drexel; just look at Drexel SMP.
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How's it looking for this year??? Only about a month left to go! Yay! Hoping I get into the program next year 
still waiting to hear back though! Does anyone mind my asking what the average GPA is for this years medical masters class?
Thanks in advance! 🙂
still waiting to hear back though! Does anyone mind my asking what the average GPA is for this years medical masters class? Thanks in advance! 🙂
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Hey I'm starting this upcoming fall. Does anyone else know when we'll be able to register for classes and orientation? I tried emailing but I haven't gotten a response and I don't see anything in the academic calendar. Thank you.
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Anyone have information on MM graduates who didn't matriculate at EVMS same year (whether not accepted or just didn't apply) from previous years? I'm curious to see how their experiences applying with a gap year went, particularly on how receptive other med schools were to the MM program in general. I know the sample size is very small from previous years (like 2-3 a year lol), but any information would be appreciated 🙂
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I know of one MM who did not get accepted two years ago. that student now is a M1. the student did research at EVMS, and got in last year for MD2017.
Rumors have it that they like MMs who reapply to EVMS.
Rumors have it that they like MMs who reapply to EVMS.
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no more research paper ... Thank God or else it would've sucked so much.
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I got an email from admission this weekend saying that if I finished my application by Monday at 11am my decision would be made by Tuesday at 5pm. Just so you all know in case anyone applied recently but hasn't heard back yet!
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While that superficially sounds promising, it doesn't bode well for the program in the long term if they come out of the MM seats.
This years 30-40 (projected) MM seats might all go to people in the program. Next years 30-40 seats might would be divided between the reapplicants from the previous year, and the people currently in the program. This has the potential to snowball into an ugly situation.
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I'm going to briefly come out of retirement to share some facts that I hope will fuel your consideration of the EVMS Med Masters program. To review, I'm an EVMS M2 in my late 40's, formerly an engineering manager who did cause/cost/risk analysis every day, and a graduate of the med masters in 2011.
(Oh no, too much text? Oh no, no clean formula to follow? Oh no, you might have to read and reason instead of following advice? Yes. That's what doctors have to do. If you are looking for simple clean answers to your complex med school admissions problems, you aren't going to find them. At least show this to your parents if you can't comprehend it.)
If I can offer one single piece of advice to prospective med masters, it's to be realistic about what coming to Norfolk means now and what it does not mean now. Last year's MM class and this year's MM class cannot tell you what to expect. Regardless, the med masters is still a really solid academic program, and it will basically help your chances at US MD, as will any terminal masters hosted at a US MD school. My sole problem with the MM program is that expectations and intentions are not clearly communicated by EVMS, not before, not during, and not after. EVMS needs to tell you, preferably on evms.edu and aamc.org and here on SDN, that the med masters is now comparable to the big programs like Drexel, and that the primary purpose of doing EVMS MM is no longer to get into EVMS MD. It's not enough to just backtrack and say on the website that it's an academic enhancer, because the program has a reputation that is no longer applicable. I am absolutely baffled why this communication isn't happening. People move cross country to do the med masters and then they find out it's not what they thought. This hurts my heart.
Here are some factish-facts.
1. EVMS MD match lists started to be interesting a few years ago, and this trend has continued. While there is still a dominant regional FM/IM/Peds flavor, there's now an abundance of national matching in competitive specialties. Sure, every lower tier US MD school will tout their one or two killer matches, but I challenge you to find and review the 2014 match list and see that there are 7 epic matches (including UCSF derm & Stanford uro) and a rather disproportionally high count of very competitive specialties such as ophtho/oto/neurosurg/uro/derm/vasc, all over the country. Those premeds who would rule out EVMS for its match list no longer do so. Thus, EVMS MD gets LOTS MORE applications than it did a few years ago, and this should be a factor in considering EVMS MM.
2. EVMS MD '16 and '17 are half out of state. (Fundamentally this happened to bring in more money in the absence of federal and state funding due to the 2008 global economic meltdown, no I'm not kidding, not a political statement. Those who say it's because EVMS is "greedy" are ignorant of world events and of basic economics.) But: is the increased OOS ratio a cause of, or is it an effect of, the better national match? Probably both. EVMS MD has boatloads of students from CA, NY, MA, MI, FL where there are few-ish instate seats to go with instate stats above the national averages. Those students have the networks and the numbers to do well back home, and they sure do help make EVMS look like a champ.
3. EVMS MD cost of attendance is effectively the highest out of state number in the country. Schools with a higher OOS COA don't take more than a couple OOS students; again, EVMS takes half OOS. Yearly cost of attendance for OOS who need to borrow is over $80k. Almost $90k for M3 alone, which is what the normal total bill for a public med school was less than a decade ago.
Those are the factish facts. And here are my opinions based on those facts.
1. EVMS MD is now harder to get into than ever. Of course this means fewer med masters will get accepted. More MM's + more MD applicants + more quality in the applicant pool. Simple math. Obviously the MM->MD percentage is falling but the count is going to fall as well.
2. EVMS MD does not reserve spaces for current nor former med masters. A returning med masters isn't taking a current med masters spot. Current med masters don't even enter the applicant pool until the rest of the pool has been all but handled. The fate of the current med masters is totally dependent on a much more impressive waitlist than prior years. The fate of future med masters is largely dependent on whether EVMS MD will continue to offer a guaranteed interview to MMs. Please stop looking for some formula that explains your odds of going straight from EVMS MM to EVMS MD because there is no formula. You will get not one single hint as to how this year is going to go until the week after graduation, and you will not know the immediate results for MM14 until August.
3. On SDN I continue to see "30-40" as the number of med masters who will get EVMS MD seats. If this is something I started or implied or hinted at in my prior posts, I apologize, because it's pure speculation. There is absolutely no basis for predicting the number of current med masters who will get EVMS MD seats.
4. If you are from outside Virginia, don't apply MD until after you complete the med masters, unless your prior app year resulted in interviews and waitlists, and even then I recommend against. It's just way too hard to figure out the timing and finances and where you're supposed to live and whether you should get a job and then 3 months after graduation, after you've gnawed your fingers off, you realize oh whoops you're not in med school and it's too late to apply now. If you wait to apply until after completing the med masters, and then apply early and broadly, then you maximize your chances of getting into a med school that isn't the most expensive in the country. Or, plan on using your post-MM year to get Virginia residency. Just please don't be passive.
5. If you are from inside Virginia, assume you'll do better by applying after the med masters, and decide whether you want to gamble. I think it's 50/50 whether you should apply same-year or not, mostly depending on your stats before MM.
6. Current med masters need to be ready to turn around a fresh AMCAS right after graduation, and hope they don't need it.
None of the above should be news to those who have kept up on discussions in this forum. And now I'm going back to retirement.
Best of luck to you.
(Oh no, too much text? Oh no, no clean formula to follow? Oh no, you might have to read and reason instead of following advice? Yes. That's what doctors have to do. If you are looking for simple clean answers to your complex med school admissions problems, you aren't going to find them. At least show this to your parents if you can't comprehend it.)
If I can offer one single piece of advice to prospective med masters, it's to be realistic about what coming to Norfolk means now and what it does not mean now. Last year's MM class and this year's MM class cannot tell you what to expect. Regardless, the med masters is still a really solid academic program, and it will basically help your chances at US MD, as will any terminal masters hosted at a US MD school. My sole problem with the MM program is that expectations and intentions are not clearly communicated by EVMS, not before, not during, and not after. EVMS needs to tell you, preferably on evms.edu and aamc.org and here on SDN, that the med masters is now comparable to the big programs like Drexel, and that the primary purpose of doing EVMS MM is no longer to get into EVMS MD. It's not enough to just backtrack and say on the website that it's an academic enhancer, because the program has a reputation that is no longer applicable. I am absolutely baffled why this communication isn't happening. People move cross country to do the med masters and then they find out it's not what they thought. This hurts my heart.
Here are some factish-facts.
1. EVMS MD match lists started to be interesting a few years ago, and this trend has continued. While there is still a dominant regional FM/IM/Peds flavor, there's now an abundance of national matching in competitive specialties. Sure, every lower tier US MD school will tout their one or two killer matches, but I challenge you to find and review the 2014 match list and see that there are 7 epic matches (including UCSF derm & Stanford uro) and a rather disproportionally high count of very competitive specialties such as ophtho/oto/neurosurg/uro/derm/vasc, all over the country. Those premeds who would rule out EVMS for its match list no longer do so. Thus, EVMS MD gets LOTS MORE applications than it did a few years ago, and this should be a factor in considering EVMS MM.
2. EVMS MD '16 and '17 are half out of state. (Fundamentally this happened to bring in more money in the absence of federal and state funding due to the 2008 global economic meltdown, no I'm not kidding, not a political statement. Those who say it's because EVMS is "greedy" are ignorant of world events and of basic economics.) But: is the increased OOS ratio a cause of, or is it an effect of, the better national match? Probably both. EVMS MD has boatloads of students from CA, NY, MA, MI, FL where there are few-ish instate seats to go with instate stats above the national averages. Those students have the networks and the numbers to do well back home, and they sure do help make EVMS look like a champ.
3. EVMS MD cost of attendance is effectively the highest out of state number in the country. Schools with a higher OOS COA don't take more than a couple OOS students; again, EVMS takes half OOS. Yearly cost of attendance for OOS who need to borrow is over $80k. Almost $90k for M3 alone, which is what the normal total bill for a public med school was less than a decade ago.
Those are the factish facts. And here are my opinions based on those facts.
1. EVMS MD is now harder to get into than ever. Of course this means fewer med masters will get accepted. More MM's + more MD applicants + more quality in the applicant pool. Simple math. Obviously the MM->MD percentage is falling but the count is going to fall as well.
2. EVMS MD does not reserve spaces for current nor former med masters. A returning med masters isn't taking a current med masters spot. Current med masters don't even enter the applicant pool until the rest of the pool has been all but handled. The fate of the current med masters is totally dependent on a much more impressive waitlist than prior years. The fate of future med masters is largely dependent on whether EVMS MD will continue to offer a guaranteed interview to MMs. Please stop looking for some formula that explains your odds of going straight from EVMS MM to EVMS MD because there is no formula. You will get not one single hint as to how this year is going to go until the week after graduation, and you will not know the immediate results for MM14 until August.
3. On SDN I continue to see "30-40" as the number of med masters who will get EVMS MD seats. If this is something I started or implied or hinted at in my prior posts, I apologize, because it's pure speculation. There is absolutely no basis for predicting the number of current med masters who will get EVMS MD seats.
4. If you are from outside Virginia, don't apply MD until after you complete the med masters, unless your prior app year resulted in interviews and waitlists, and even then I recommend against. It's just way too hard to figure out the timing and finances and where you're supposed to live and whether you should get a job and then 3 months after graduation, after you've gnawed your fingers off, you realize oh whoops you're not in med school and it's too late to apply now. If you wait to apply until after completing the med masters, and then apply early and broadly, then you maximize your chances of getting into a med school that isn't the most expensive in the country. Or, plan on using your post-MM year to get Virginia residency. Just please don't be passive.
5. If you are from inside Virginia, assume you'll do better by applying after the med masters, and decide whether you want to gamble. I think it's 50/50 whether you should apply same-year or not, mostly depending on your stats before MM.
6. Current med masters need to be ready to turn around a fresh AMCAS right after graduation, and hope they don't need it.
None of the above should be news to those who have kept up on discussions in this forum. And now I'm going back to retirement.
Best of luck to you.
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This is what makes me apprehensive. I have seen others make similar statements as well. Can any current Medical Masters comment on this? Are you really kept that in the dark, and were they not truthful about what to expect?
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He? Why not he/she? Medicine is made up of more than just white men.
That depends on your performance in the program as well as the size of next years class. Also I do not know if interviews will be automatic for all medical masters next year. Expecting a gap year would be the right thing to do, then just hope that evms does well in placing students into other schools because as of right now nobody really knows if they do.
Lastly, I read in a different thread that med masters will take pre-dental students next year. I had no idea about this and if it is true or not, though it very well could be.
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Oh, my bad haha I always just thought your name was fred or something. Wasn't trying to be a misogynistic or anything
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If we were to apply so as to not have a gap year. When would be the best time to start sending in our apps? I figure we should have a couple of tests in at least. Or would that be too late? I just don't like the idea of taking another year off just to wait.
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If you want to avoid gap year you apply through AMCAS the summer before you matriculate into the SMP. You can try sending in mid year report after one semester, but this has limited effects.
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You can apply whenever you want. Just call the schools you apply to and tell them that even though your grades weren't good enough to apply to medical school without an smp, you still don't feel like waiting.
Sending them your first couple of tests is a good idea too. You should just quit the program after three tests bc that is all the proof you need.
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Wow you offer amazing advice. Next time you feel like wasting someone's time you should put on a blindfold and go play in traffic.
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I got accepted through email also.
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hello,
I have been waitlisted today to this program, and I was wondering when the waitlist begins to start moving! Also I have read that some people know where they are on the waitlist and I was wondering how they found out this information. I have a 3.0x gpa and a 31 mcat with outstanding extra curriculars, letter of recs, and personal statement. What type of items should be sent as update info, would it only be unofficial transcripts and mcat scores if retaken. Is it possible to write another letter to defend your position on the waitlist!
Thanks for all your help!
I have been waitlisted today to this program, and I was wondering when the waitlist begins to start moving! Also I have read that some people know where they are on the waitlist and I was wondering how they found out this information. I have a 3.0x gpa and a 31 mcat with outstanding extra curriculars, letter of recs, and personal statement. What type of items should be sent as update info, would it only be unofficial transcripts and mcat scores if retaken. Is it possible to write another letter to defend your position on the waitlist!
Thanks for all your help!
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hello,
I have been waitlisted today to this program, and I was wondering when the waitlist begins to start moving! Also I have read that some people know where they are on the waitlist and I was wondering how they found out this information. I have a 3.0x gpa and a 31 mcat with outstanding extra curriculars, letter of recs, and personal statement. What type of items should be sent as update info, would it only be unofficial transcripts and mcat scores if retaken. Is it possible to write another letter to defend your position on the waitlist!
Thanks for all your help!
I have been waitlisted today to this program, and I was wondering when the waitlist begins to start moving! Also I have read that some people know where they are on the waitlist and I was wondering how they found out this information. I have a 3.0x gpa and a 31 mcat with outstanding extra curriculars, letter of recs, and personal statement. What type of items should be sent as update info, would it only be unofficial transcripts and mcat scores if retaken. Is it possible to write another letter to defend your position on the waitlist!
Thanks for all your help!
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Hey Just wanted to give accepted students a heads up about housing opportunities. You can find housing adds on the EVMS student run website http://www.eventmedley.com . Click on the tab "student life" and then click on housing. My roommate and I are former MM (Now soon to be 4th years) looking for someone to fill our 3rd bedroom in west ghent (10 min walk from school). Our add is the colorful one under the name Justin.
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I have just finished this program, and to be honest, I would never come back EVER for this SMP. When I first was accepted into this program, I heard from the admin that the program would be expanded to include 50 students. Administration had been very sketchy about the numbers they were accepting. Up until the first day of orientation, the class size was believed to be 50 people maximum. Our class has 66 people total, which is almost double of last year's class size.
Even now, we don't know how many of us are getting in. None of the administration have been forthcoming about the process, and they have given very generic with their statements which doesn't help the students at all. There's been word going around that about 30 of us might be accepted, which is lower than 50% which is not the ~80% that people thought they were coming to this program for. Aside from that, we don't even know when the acceptances will come. Admin says we should find out by end of June, but that date has been jumping around consistently and we no longer know what to believe anymore. It makes it incredibly difficult for those who don't have any other acceptances or backups. This is sending many students I know already to get letters of recommendation or sign up for a MCAT retake because of this for this summer.
This program used to be a very solid program. But now after having gone through it, it is just like any other Georgetown or BU SMP with their anticipation of 80+ for the next class and it doesn't even come close to the notoriety of those schools. Reapplying after completing this SMP won't give you the extra boost as those other schools. DON'T. COME. HERE. Save your money and your soul and go somewhere else. You will come here, study, be miserable, and then finish and wait and be more miserable.
Even now, we don't know how many of us are getting in. None of the administration have been forthcoming about the process, and they have given very generic with their statements which doesn't help the students at all. There's been word going around that about 30 of us might be accepted, which is lower than 50% which is not the ~80% that people thought they were coming to this program for. Aside from that, we don't even know when the acceptances will come. Admin says we should find out by end of June, but that date has been jumping around consistently and we no longer know what to believe anymore. It makes it incredibly difficult for those who don't have any other acceptances or backups. This is sending many students I know already to get letters of recommendation or sign up for a MCAT retake because of this for this summer.
This program used to be a very solid program. But now after having gone through it, it is just like any other Georgetown or BU SMP with their anticipation of 80+ for the next class and it doesn't even come close to the notoriety of those schools. Reapplying after completing this SMP won't give you the extra boost as those other schools. DON'T. COME. HERE. Save your money and your soul and go somewhere else. You will come here, study, be miserable, and then finish and wait and be more miserable.
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Before anyone gets too scared reading Frumpywhale's post, please note that not all students are so bitter. I, for one, had a valuable experience as a med masters this year. The program was incredibly tough but it was fair. Going into it, you were basically promising the administration that you would meet or exceed the medical student average in all the classes you took together, to prove that your past failings (subpar GPA, MCAT, etc) should be overlooked. They were doing a great favor by taking a chance on us when no other school would.
1. Yes, perhaps only 30 people will be accepted, but do you know why? If it happens, it'll be because only 30 people got above the medical student average. The admissions committee doesn't have a magic quota to meet. If all 66 people got a 4.0, then all 66 would have been at the top of the waitlist. If you didn't get a good grade, it's your own fault. The program is entirely fair.
2. In addition, we were warned time and again not to expect anything. Just because 90% of people got in last year doesn't mean it's a guarantee that 90% will get in this year. It all depends on how you do, individually, in your classes. That's it. So if people like frumpywhale thought that they were given an implicit promise of acceptance after graduating from masters, that misunderstanding is not the school's fault.
3. Finally, it's too early to complain about people not getting notification from the admissions committee. Classes just ended last Thursday. The acceptance calls could be made today for all I know, or anytime this week.
I liked this program and did fairly well in it. It let me assess the rigor of a medical school curriculum and prove that I could be a capable student - not only in the eyes of the EVMS committee but other schools as well. So if you think you can do well competing against med students, then do this program. But you have to truly know yourself and understand that it will take a lot of work and dedication. Don't go into the program with an entitled attitude. If you do well, you'll have a good chance. If not, then you won't. Simple as that.
1. Yes, perhaps only 30 people will be accepted, but do you know why? If it happens, it'll be because only 30 people got above the medical student average. The admissions committee doesn't have a magic quota to meet. If all 66 people got a 4.0, then all 66 would have been at the top of the waitlist. If you didn't get a good grade, it's your own fault. The program is entirely fair.
2. In addition, we were warned time and again not to expect anything. Just because 90% of people got in last year doesn't mean it's a guarantee that 90% will get in this year. It all depends on how you do, individually, in your classes. That's it. So if people like frumpywhale thought that they were given an implicit promise of acceptance after graduating from masters, that misunderstanding is not the school's fault.
3. Finally, it's too early to complain about people not getting notification from the admissions committee. Classes just ended last Thursday. The acceptance calls could be made today for all I know, or anytime this week.
I liked this program and did fairly well in it. It let me assess the rigor of a medical school curriculum and prove that I could be a capable student - not only in the eyes of the EVMS committee but other schools as well. So if you think you can do well competing against med students, then do this program. But you have to truly know yourself and understand that it will take a lot of work and dedication. Don't go into the program with an entitled attitude. If you do well, you'll have a good chance. If not, then you won't. Simple as that.
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Looking for a roommate. I'm going to be in the incoming 2014 MM class. I have a 2 bdr place on hold right now at hague park apartments for $1380 utilities included. PM me if you're interested.
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As you know we just finished and had our graduation.
I believe that everyone feel a bit lied to when the class size went from 50 to ~75. Why 75 when we have 66 people? people dropped out when they found out the class was over 70.
We all felt bitter that the administration (excluding Dr. Meyer, Dr. Scoville, and Dr. Damon) increased the class size without telling us. The program directors told us that they had a gun pointed to them to increase the class and it was basically about the $$$. Considering how much we pay, it was not surprising at all.
Another thing we did not like - the change of curriculum.
1) Anatomy - poorly taught, very disorganized, and a lot alot alot of material. It put so much strain on people who had no anatomy experiences like me. Breeze lectures are a joke, and Dr. Goodmurphy yawned, drank, ate, and burped in the videos. It was really disrespectful to us, the students who were trying to learn. Perhaps they changed it for this coming year.
2) The amount of tests were hard for people to schedule interviews. We have a test every week or two. I do know that they are changing it this year though. Who knows.
In general, we felt cheated. Sure, it was not a guarantee to get into the school, but at the same time, transparency would be nice.
NOW THE GOOD PARTS.
You will get to know people who will have the same drive as you. They will push you and you will push them as the year is intense. You will have awesome supporting staff, faculties, and program director by your side to help you through.
The professors in general sympathize with the Med master, and they will help you if you need it.
In addition, you will have free tutoring if you need additional help from the past med masters. Of course, past med masters will be there for any questions and concerns that you might be too afraid to say, given that you do want to make a good impression.
Basically, you will be in good hands. Competition is tough, but everyone is there for you.
BOTTOM LINE.
Get to know yourself - how you handle stress, how you study etc.
Always optimize your study habits.
It all boils down to how you do. Class average does not matter.
If you like to study with other people, "date" around for a good study partner and do it fast.
Enjoy your summer while it lasts, and squeeze in some studying for anatomy if u can.
Good luck!
I believe that everyone feel a bit lied to when the class size went from 50 to ~75. Why 75 when we have 66 people? people dropped out when they found out the class was over 70.
We all felt bitter that the administration (excluding Dr. Meyer, Dr. Scoville, and Dr. Damon) increased the class size without telling us. The program directors told us that they had a gun pointed to them to increase the class and it was basically about the $$$. Considering how much we pay, it was not surprising at all.
Another thing we did not like - the change of curriculum.
1) Anatomy - poorly taught, very disorganized, and a lot alot alot of material. It put so much strain on people who had no anatomy experiences like me. Breeze lectures are a joke, and Dr. Goodmurphy yawned, drank, ate, and burped in the videos. It was really disrespectful to us, the students who were trying to learn. Perhaps they changed it for this coming year.
2) The amount of tests were hard for people to schedule interviews. We have a test every week or two. I do know that they are changing it this year though. Who knows.
In general, we felt cheated. Sure, it was not a guarantee to get into the school, but at the same time, transparency would be nice.
NOW THE GOOD PARTS.
You will get to know people who will have the same drive as you. They will push you and you will push them as the year is intense. You will have awesome supporting staff, faculties, and program director by your side to help you through.
The professors in general sympathize with the Med master, and they will help you if you need it.
In addition, you will have free tutoring if you need additional help from the past med masters. Of course, past med masters will be there for any questions and concerns that you might be too afraid to say, given that you do want to make a good impression.
Basically, you will be in good hands. Competition is tough, but everyone is there for you.
BOTTOM LINE.
Get to know yourself - how you handle stress, how you study etc.
Always optimize your study habits.
It all boils down to how you do. Class average does not matter.
If you like to study with other people, "date" around for a good study partner and do it fast.
Enjoy your summer while it lasts, and squeeze in some studying for anatomy if u can.
Good luck!
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If they haven't admitted people, how can you know that they're admitting everybody above the medical student average? If the program size doubled, and the quality of students remained the same, what you say implies that the admissions should also double. Your post insinuates that there is essentially a guarantee, provided that you exceed the medical student average, but you rail on frumpywhale?
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Hey guys, I was part of the MM class this year and have received my acceptance to the MD program for next year. Just thought I'd give my two cents on the program.
First off, yes this program has changed greatly in terms of success rates from the previous years. Old news.
I believe we're looking at about 34-36 accepted into the MD program from my class out of 66. I think it was obvious why my class was a bit bitter for coming into the program and expecting the success rate to continue from previous years at about 80%+ being accepted. Had we been told the size of the program and that the acceptance rate would stay the same regardless of the increase in class size, things would have been pretty okay. This program was a huge investment, not just in money but also time. It would've been nice to know what we were getting into.
Since the majority of acceptances went out yesterday, I can say for certain that being above the average DOES NOT get you into the MD program. I know some of my classmates in the program who did very well and above average did not get in. To be safe, you would probably want to have a CUMULATIVE gpa of 3.8+. You don't want to be stuck in the same pool as everyone else. Do not slack off second semester just because you did extremely well first semester!!! (!!)
In terms of interviews, many people don't think it matters much...and this is probably true. But if you could shine and leave a lasting remark, I'm sure it can take you pretty far, especially when at least one member of the ADCOM will be interviewing you.
In terms of coursework, yes it was a pretty heavy load, but what else would you expect? It's medical school. The worst part was probably the stress and uncertainty that you might not get in. Take away that dark cloud of uncertainty hovering over you for the entire 10 months and the course load isn't all that bad.
I agree with the previous posts about this SMP becoming more like Georgetown's SMP minus the prestige. If you're confident about doing well, this might be a good choice, yet again, if you're that confident then maybe Georgetown, etc. might be a better option. We are now looking at about a 55% success rate. The website might note a higher number than this, but keep in mind they are including those who get accepted into D.O. schools as well.
Best of luck. Shoot me questions if you want.
First off, yes this program has changed greatly in terms of success rates from the previous years. Old news.
I believe we're looking at about 34-36 accepted into the MD program from my class out of 66. I think it was obvious why my class was a bit bitter for coming into the program and expecting the success rate to continue from previous years at about 80%+ being accepted. Had we been told the size of the program and that the acceptance rate would stay the same regardless of the increase in class size, things would have been pretty okay. This program was a huge investment, not just in money but also time. It would've been nice to know what we were getting into.
Since the majority of acceptances went out yesterday, I can say for certain that being above the average DOES NOT get you into the MD program. I know some of my classmates in the program who did very well and above average did not get in. To be safe, you would probably want to have a CUMULATIVE gpa of 3.8+. You don't want to be stuck in the same pool as everyone else. Do not slack off second semester just because you did extremely well first semester!!! (!!)
In terms of interviews, many people don't think it matters much...and this is probably true. But if you could shine and leave a lasting remark, I'm sure it can take you pretty far, especially when at least one member of the ADCOM will be interviewing you.
In terms of coursework, yes it was a pretty heavy load, but what else would you expect? It's medical school. The worst part was probably the stress and uncertainty that you might not get in. Take away that dark cloud of uncertainty hovering over you for the entire 10 months and the course load isn't all that bad.
I agree with the previous posts about this SMP becoming more like Georgetown's SMP minus the prestige. If you're confident about doing well, this might be a good choice, yet again, if you're that confident then maybe Georgetown, etc. might be a better option. We are now looking at about a 55% success rate. The website might note a higher number than this, but keep in mind they are including those who get accepted into D.O. schools as well.
Best of luck. Shoot me questions if you want.
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Why are you complaining that anatomy is a lot of material? It's anatomy, so obviously it's going to be a lot. I didn't take histo in undergrad so do you think they should remove that from the curriculum too? After all, it did put strain on me. Sschance is just complaining, you may as well ignore it. Anatomy was hard but thats the point of adding it to the curriculum.
One more thing. It really was not that disorganized. If we didn't know it was a brand new class you probably wouldn't have that critique.
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Your logic is off. Prior to this year students below average were let in all of the time. This year, I know of multiple ex med masters who tested out of zero classes during their med master year and had to retake everything. The chances of that happening this year are slim to none.
Basically, people who got in last year, would not have gotten in this year.
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No, I think you got the wrong impression from what I said. I made a point that the class was not announced on the website, so it was a surprise to us. Given the disorganization of the class and the nature of the class (amount of material), it put a lot of strain on me, but I never said I did not enjoy it. I found anatomy to be one of the more interesting classes we had so far.
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Referencing the number of people addressed in a recent email, it appears so far there are 65 students that accepted and put down a deposit (I heard they're trying to expand the class to 75-80). The actual number of people from the 65 planning to attend, however, could be lower for I know of a few that have decided to take their ventures elsewhere.
Thanks. But actually I was looking for the number of current med masters that have got acceptance from evms md program. And how many are on wait list. Want to get an idea of the BMS to MD acceptance percentage
From what I've heard so far, there was a total of 32 EVMS MD acceptances (16 IS, 16 OOS) and a few MD acceptances to other schools. So as of right now looking at 50% acceptance through the MM program, although that number may rise.
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After reading through this thread, it is interesting that EVMS is having similar changes to admissions and their SMP as to Rosalind Franklin's BMS. Between the two, it sounds like a bunch of students got screwed this year, or just had the unfortunate luck of being the in the first class to deal with these changes.
