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Has the excitement of performing surgery declined as you've entered residency and practice? How have your perspectives about career choice, ideal work environment, time with family, etc... changed as the years progress? Open to residents and attendings with thoughtful responses.
 
Yes, it has declined. Yet, I cannot picture myself doing anything else for the rest of my life. Five years of hell are worth the next 30 or so years...
 
Has the excitement of performing surgery declined as you've entered residency and practice? How have your perspectives about career choice, ideal work environment, time with family, etc... changed as the years progress? Open to residents and attendings with thoughtful responses.

You ask two important and fundamentally different questions.

1) Does it get less exciting.
Certainly. Just like everything in life. You should certainly find it exciting, but if the thrill of the OR is the only positive you find in surgery, you'll eventually be disappointed. Choosing a specialty is a bit like choosing a spouse in this regard. Yes, you should find your mate physically attractive, but if rabid lust is the only feeling you have toward him/her, you will eventually tire of BID-QID intercourse.

2) Do your priorities change.
Absolutely. A spouse and children dramatically change your life. (Much for the better.) I have seen the cost/benefit calculus for investing time in a career (sugery vs. not surgery, private practice vs. academics, etc.) shift substantially in my own life and many others which changes in family status. Apart from your own selfish interests in spending time with your family, it becomes increasingly difficult to deny them your company for the trivial purposes surgery sometimes demands.

In this regard, I think it's useful to leave yourself a professional buffer. If you're young and single and want to be a chairman - great, go for surgery, you can end up in a relaxed private practice when your priorities change. If you start out wanting to be in a relaxed private practice, you'll likely find surgery doesn't fit when a family comes along.
 
I think it gets better and better. Some people just love everything about the OR. Even simple cases are fun to do. Thinking of ways to be more and more efficient in those cases with less wasted motion is a blast. If you want to change your lifestyle and take less call or take more time off, you can always do that. You might take a hit financially but you can do it.
 
You ask two important and fundamentally different questions.

1) Does it get less exciting.
Certainly. Just like everything in life. You should certainly find it exciting, but if the thrill of the OR is the only positive you find in surgery, you'll eventually be disappointed. Choosing a specialty is a bit like choosing a spouse in this regard. Yes, you should find your mate physically attractive, but if rabid lust is the only feeling you have toward him/her, you will eventually tire of BID-QID intercourse.

2) Do your priorities change.
Absolutely. A spouse and children dramatically change your life. (Much for the better.) I have seen the cost/benefit calculus for investing time in a career (sugery vs. not surgery, private practice vs. academics, etc.) shift substantially in my own life and many others which changes in family status. Apart from your own selfish interests in spending time with your family, it becomes increasingly difficult to deny them your company for the trivial purposes surgery sometimes demands.

In this regard, I think it's useful to leave yourself a professional buffer. If you're young and single and want to be a chairman - great, go for surgery, you can end up in a relaxed private practice when your priorities change. If you start out wanting to be in a relaxed private practice, you'll likely find surgery doesn't fit when a family comes along.

I agree, but I would add something. You have to do what you have to do to get through residency. You will make sacrifices for your family. Once you get out you can do whatever you want relating to your job.
 
You ask two important and fundamentally different questions.

1) Does it get less exciting.
Certainly. Just like everything in life. You should certainly find it exciting, but if the thrill of the OR is the only positive you find in surgery, you'll eventually be disappointed. Choosing a specialty is a bit like choosing a spouse in this regard. Yes, you should find your mate physically attractive, but if rabid lust is the only feeling you have toward him/her, you will eventually tire of BID-QID intercourse.

2) Do your priorities change.
Absolutely. A spouse and children dramatically change your life. (Much for the better.) I have seen the cost/benefit calculus for investing time in a career (sugery vs. not surgery, private practice vs. academics, etc.) shift substantially in my own life and many others which changes in family status. Apart from your own selfish interests in spending time with your family, it becomes increasingly difficult to deny them your company for the trivial purposes surgery sometimes demands.

In this regard, I think it's useful to leave yourself a professional buffer. If you're young and single and want to be a chairman - great, go for surgery, you can end up in a relaxed private practice when your priorities change. If you start out wanting to be in a relaxed private practice, you'll likely find surgery doesn't fit when a family comes along.

This is a S.E.P. (Super Excellent Post)👍

Guys like Supercut and Pilot Doc are VERY helpful to a newbie like me. I feel that their posts are pure and honest. They do not try to cover-up or spice-up what is real in their world.

To a newbie (ms-4) like me, I KNOW that I LOVE surgery. I do not need others to tell me how wonderful surgery is. It is like beating a dead horse...it accomplishes nothing (meaning I do not get any NEW information) ....

...but "real" posts like those of supercut's and Pilot Doc's are VERY HELPFUL. They provide new "insider" information that I can use to help me get better prepared before I go into battle.

Great Job guys, and Good Luck.👍
 
Has the excitement of performing surgery declined as you've entered residency and practice?

Here's my perspective as a mid-level resident (just finished pgy-3 year and started in the lab). The initial thrill that you feel as a student seeing stuff for the first time like an open abdomen does change. I remember getting excited as a student when the resident let me throw a few subcu skin stitches for the first time. Obviously, doing it for the n-th time isn't thrilling anymore, but I do still do enjoy doing it and making it look nice. Great analogy by pilot doc, btw -- the infatuation phase passes. But surgery is no less fascinating for me. I find I still enjoy the technical aspects of operating, learning how to improve my technical skills, economy of motion, setting up the approach etc. But then again, I have always tended to enjoy anything technical -- central lines, even nurses asking you to put in a difficult IV, etc.

Even more fascinating for me are the intricacies of clinical decision-making -- workup, diagnosis, operative and non-operative management, critical care, etc. Honestly, I wouldn't mind spending my lab years at a coffee shop, just curled up with a few surgery texts because the sheer volume of knowledge required to make you a good surgeon is just enormous. Another thing that hasn't changed for me, is the occasional feeling that you really made an impact on someone's life. Not just talking about good outcomes, but also being able to comfort patients/family when there are bad outcomes or grave prognoses. I know it sounds cliche and melodramatic, but I do think surgeons have a special opportunity to connect with another human being on a deeper level at their time of crisis. To be truthful and more accurate though, most days aren't like this at all and surgical residency is not a glamourous job, not like what you see on tv. Most days are just long and hard -- you feel like you spend most of your efforts navigating administrative barriers or pushing paperwork, especially as a junior resident.

How have your perspectives about career choice, ideal work environment, time with family, etc... changed as the years progress? Open to residents and attendings with thoughtful responses.

Yes. Personally, I find that as I transition from junior to senior resident, my priorities are evolving. As an intern I had the attitude that I would work until I physically drop and put my very last ounce of effort into this career, so that I could become the very best that I could be. However, you'll find that you can always put in more time and effort into this field and not feel that you are doing enough. You can always know your patient better, you can always know the literature better. It is endless, and at some point you have to draw a line, whether it is for your family or your personal sanity. We all tend to be compulsive perfectionists, but you end up settling for less-than-perfect compromises because there is a limit to your time and energy. As an intern I would try to stay up and read even when tired until I fell asleep with the book. Now older, I find I would rather get a good night's rest so that I can function more effectively the next day. Maybe I am getting soft. My priorities as an intern were 1), 2), 3) surgery, surgery, surgery... but they've shifted a little more in favor of sleep, family, having a balanced life. It is daunting because when I look at my attendings, many of them work harder than we do as residents. Some are in academics, some in private practice. There is no easy road it seems. But perhaps, this not representative of the range of lifestyles possible as an attending because I'm at an academic center.
 
Yes. Personally, I find that as I transition from junior to senior resident, my priorities are evolving. As an intern I had the attitude that I would work until I physically drop and put my very last ounce of effort into this career, so that I could become the very best that I could be. However, you'll find that you can always put in more time and effort into this field and not feel that you are doing enough. You can always know your patient better, you can always know the literature better. It is endless, and at some point you have to draw a line, whether it is for your family or your personal sanity. We all tend to be compulsive perfectionists, but you end up settling for less-than-perfect compromises because there is a limit to your time and energy. As an intern I would try to stay up and read even when tired until I fell asleep with the book. Now older, I find I would rather get a good night's rest so that I can function more effectively the next day. Maybe I am getting soft. My priorities as an intern were 1), 2), 3) surgery, surgery, surgery... but they've shifted a little more in favor of sleep, family, having a balanced life. It is daunting because when I look at my attendings, many of them work harder than we do as residents. Some are in academics, some in private practice. There is no easy road it seems. But perhaps, this not representative of the range of lifestyles possible as an attending because I'm at an academic center.

Adding Boston to my list of prefered posters.😉

It is not that I like "sad" posts....I like, and benefit most from, real and honest posts. So if real and honest means sad news, so be it. At least I am not misguided by the "oh,.. surgery is ALL wonderful posts". I love surgery, I know that! I just need more honest/real information so that I can enter the field better informed.

Thank you Supercut, Pilot Doc, Boston, and others I forgot to mention! 😳
 
Getting to the OR is still the highlight of my day - there's nothing that quite matches the thrill of standing at the scrub sink, scrubbing in and preparing for the upcoming mental/physical challenge...

I'm on my thoracic rotation now, and as someone who's wanted to pursue cardiothoracic surgery ever since I was a college freshman, I can tell you that I'm living the dream right now!

Having said all that, the daily "grind" of a general surgery residency - endless scut, tough hours, Q3 or Q4 sleepless calls, the occasional abrasive attending, and dealing with problematic patients/nurses - is starting to wear on me. I'm lucky, in that I still haven't been truly miserable yet, not even for a single day - I've never dreaded going to work in the morning, and I never find myself at work looking at the clock and counting down the hours until I get to go home. But there are days that are just physically and psychologically exhausting, and I will be happy and grateful when I finally finish training.

If I had to do it all over again, would I still be a general surgery resident? Hell yeah. Unfortunately, some of my fellow residents wouldn't.
 
Adding Boston to my list of prefered posters.😉

It is not that I like "sad" posts....I like, and benefit most from, real and honest posts. So if real and honest means sad news, so be it. At least I am not misguided by the "oh,.. surgery is ALL wonderful posts". I love surgery, I know that! I just need more honest/real information so that I can enter the field better informed.

Thank you Supercut, Pilot Doc, Boston, and others I forgot to mention! 😳

Quite honestly, I didn't realize I sounded so "sad." I didn't mean to -- so I apologize if my post came across so negatively. (Just going through some personally rough times right now, that's all.) I do want to emphasize there are a lot of things that are still great about surgery that will never change. IMHO, practicing medicine is the most fulfilling job in the world and within medicine, surgery is the most fulfilling field. I wrote that in my personal statement 4 years ago and I still believe it. Nowhere else do you have such a direct impact on people's lives in their time of need. It is humbling to have the privilege to be a part of it. Anyway, I don't want to discourage any students considering general surgery. After all, you will never know what could be unless you pursue your dreams -- that's how I felt when applying to general surgery. I can accept failure, as long as I know I gave it my best shot.
 
I'll echo Boston's sentiments on a couple of points

I didn't mean to be "sad" either. Surgery is a truly fascinating career that combines substantial intellectual and technical expertise. I don't mean to discourage people from it. I only try to offer more nuanced cost/benefit information for those choosing among the many fine career opportunities in medicine
 
Sorry guys if I made you feel like your posts were sad or discouraging.😳
It was never my intention to make you feel bad.

Your posts are not sad, they come across as honest and real. They are posts that I can trust. If any surgical wana-be was discouraged by your posts, well then he should re-evaluate his love of surgery as a career.

Skypilot, Pilot Doc, Boston and others, your posts are very valuble. I respect you guys for your courage to share your views honestly in a surgery forum love-fest.

Like I said before, as a Newbie, I do not need someone to tell me that the Moon is pretty. I have two eyes, and I can see that it is pretty. But posts by veterans like you guys are very helpful because they are shining a light at the invisible (to a newbie like me). You guys are like astronauts who went to the invisible side of the pretty Moon, and are informing us, newbies, about what it is like up there...In other words, you guys are giving us, newbies, the complete picture.

Thank you guys for your valuble posts in this forum. Please do continue to post.

Good Luck my future attendings.🙂
 
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