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You are likely overestimating your mastery of technique. If you enter that room with a gameplan of “the scorekeeper is a liar” it will not go wellYes but the point is everybody misses things, it's first year, it's more about technique etc, I moved to the left side of the patient to ballot the kidney, feedback says I should've stayed on the right, that kinda stuff isn't worth failing someone for? Especially in first year? In my opinion at least :/
Well our handout does lol.
I don't know what to do, i've asked my friend who just graduated for advice but this is 100% going to be a he said she said. I really just want them to record our OSCE's which they refuse to do, even though they record us when we practice with the exact same patients they won't record it when it matters??
the point of this is to try and fight what really is just plain lies on my feedback so i'm not forced to do the resit.
Yes, everybody misses things. And it sounds like you missed 2+% more than the rest of your classmates. It wasn't any single one of those mistakes that got you a fail - it was the accumulation of enough of them to not meet the standard.Yes but the point is everybody misses things, it's first year, it's more about technique etc we've done these on real patients too on placement. Another example is I moved to the left side of the patient to ballot the kidney, feedback says I should've stayed on the right, that kinda stuff isn't worth failing someone for? Especially in first year? In my opinion at least :/
Well our handout does lol.
You missed a number of things including one potentially big safety violation.
Why are you even touching a sharps container for an Osce? Your spleen exam also sounds completely incorrect. Judging by how you wrote your post, you're incredibly overconfident. I know you're a UK student, but you're still year 1/5. You don't know anything.
Regardless, it's essentially a right of passage to get a bogus unfair grade from an Osce or practical because they're completely subjective. If you ever plan to take the CS, guess what, it's the same way. The fact you're getting so heated over this means you probably aren't cut out for med school.
As a rough rule of thumb, those rare people who fail OSCEs at my school are too focussed on the diagnosis and forget all of the "doing the doctor" stuff that they're supposed to do. They have the "just tell me the answer" mindset, as opposed to mastering and understanding the materialIn regards to the spleen exam our examination techniques are essentially the same as the Geeky medics youtube channel - unaware if you know them or not but they're a rather big UK OSCE channel.
For bloods/injection procedures, they put all of the equipment on a table and we have to select the correct things to bring, e.g purple vacuole tubes instead of yellow etc. So naturally we have to bring the sharps bin over as well. There was essentially no where else to put it other than move a chair closer and as I stated I felt rude putting it on the examiners desk and i didn't want to put it next to the patients arm in case they flinch while I insert the needle. I also lost marks for saying '... this will involve me inserting a needle into your arm to draw some blood...' but the examiner wanted me to say '... use a needle to obtain a blood sample...' He said my technique was flawless but I still failed the station. I didn't take a step with the needle, i didnt cross hands, it's not like i was walking around with it, I literally just put it in the sharps bin on the chair beside me.
The fact i'm getting heated is that i've compared my feedback to my friends, 2 people out of 130 failed OSCE's - I personally felt OSCE's were my strongest area of the whole course, we have OSCE practice every week and communication skills every week with tutors where we receive feedback, we practice these exams on real patients on placement under the supervision of doctors, there were no red flags throughout the whole year that I would fail and I aced the practice OSCEs without practicing.
I don't think I was overconfident but just simply confident, I knew I would forget 2-3 theoretical pathologies (simulated patients) per station as you do when your nervous and have 5 stations in a row.
This is why i've pushed to record them, they actually force us to record our comm skill sessions with exactly the same patients, so why on earth can't we record the real thing and have that there in case any disputes are raised, they refuse to do this and i'm almost 100% certain there's bribery present at this Uni as we've all seen extremely poor/unethical practices on placements.
I completely agree with you about being 1/4 years, I know nothing but as eluded to in my above statements - there were no red flags at all during the year or during the practice examination and i've only practiced harder and learnt much more since then. This is why some of the feedback is great but I just think its extremely over the top to dock me 10% because I had my fingers flat instead of at a 15 degree angle when palpating the aorta while others only lost 1-2% for this.
I have my meeting tonight with the head of OSCEs.
Id hate to go to whatever medical school you guys are going to where they are going to fail, and potentially hold students back because they put items on a chair instead of a counter.