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Is there any way to become boarded Osteopathically after doing an Allopathic EM residency? This is assuming no additional internship year was completed.

It is unfortunate that EM is still a 4 year program in the Osteopathic world.
 
jay5032 said:
Is there any way to become boarded Osteopathically after doing an Allopathic EM residency? This is assuming no additional internship year was completed.

It is unfortunate that EM is still a 4 year program in the Osteopathic world.
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Why would you want to?
 
Not to side-track or anything, but does the reverse work? Doing an osteopathic residency and getting allopathic certification?

The reason this is less clear is because DOs can sit for both sets of boards in med school, while MDs can't.

To the OP, I have heard from a few 4th years that you can't get boarded osteo if you do an allo residency. Still should verify this though.
 
EM2BE said:
Not to side-track or anything, but does the reverse work? Doing an osteopathic residency and getting allopathic certification?

The reason this is less clear is because DOs can sit for both sets of boards in med school, while MDs can't.

To the OP, I have heard from a few 4th years that you can't get boarded osteo if you do an allo residency. Still should verify this though.
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The board certification exams have nothing to do with national board exams (COMLEX/USMLE) - it has to do with the specialty board that oversees your training in your field.

For example, if you complete an AOA accredited internship and residency in EM, you are eligible to sit for the AOBEM certification exams and become board certified in EM by them.

If you complete an ACGME accredited Emergency medicine residency, you are eligible to sit for the ABEM certification exams.

An Osteopathic physician can, however, should he choose, petition the AOA and AOBEM to accept the ACGME approved EM residency as "equivalent" to an AOA accredited residency - then he would be eligible to sit for the AOBEM certification exams. This would also require that he have completed an internship or received the Resolution 42 waiver. The reverse is not true (complete AOA residency and petition to sit for ABEM exam), as far as I am aware.

Why would one want to do something as crazy as this? I don't know. If the physician were to wish to enter an AOA accredited fellowship, for example, there might be a requirement of an AOA accredited residency. Also, if the physician were interested in serving on any national Osteopathic boards or holding office in the AOA, I think there is a requirement that he have completed an AOA residency (or the "equivalent"). I'm not sure if only having a Resolution 42 waiver would count for these requirements, so take this info with a shaker of salt. More specific information can be found in the AOA bylaws, if you really care to read through that drek...

Seems to me that it is just more money to pay for certification exams and more CME required to keep up 2 separate certifications, one or the other of which is redundant and un-necessary.

Hope this info helps.

jd
 
Thanks for the info. I had heard someone ask, and I had the same attitude...why would you? But they really wanted an answer.
 
GeneralVeers said:
Why would you want to?
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I'm not absolutly sure about this but I think to be a PD or Chair of a dept at an Osteo residency or School you need to be boarded by them. Im sure this policy will change or they will start to give out a bunch of waivers in the future.
 
Almost every chairman of every specialty where I went to medical school was an ACGME grad now working in a DO school. Our Neuro chair did residency at Brown. Our family medicine head did residency ACGME. Our pathology director was a military trained path doc. Our president was a military trained internist and our Dean was an Army anesthetist. All of these guys held ACGME certs. I don't think it's a big deal when a med school (DO) runs across a very well trained candidate.
 
corpsmanUP said:
Almost every chairman of every specialty where I went to medical school was an ACGME grad now working in a DO school. Our Neuro chair did residency at Brown. Our family medicine head did residency ACGME. Our pathology director was a military trained path doc. Our president was a military trained internist and our Dean was an Army anesthetist. All of these guys held ACGME certs. I don't think it's a big deal when a med school (DO) runs across a very well trained candidate.
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Agreed 👍
 
Lortab said:
To practice medicine in the 5 states that requires DO's to have AOA licensure.
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I'm in one of those 5 states, but we aren't actually required to do an osteopathic internship or get resolution 42 approval. We *do* have to do certain rotations in internship, though. It's easy to meet those requirements in an MD FM residency, maybe even could be done in an MD EM residency.
 
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I don't know the requirements for the other 4 states. When I applied for my license the application stated what the requirements were here & I was surprised b/c of the whole 5 states thing. I can't recall the details anymore, but I may have posted it somewhere last year.
 
I know of one new-ish faculty member at our school who did an ACGME residency and fellowship and was made to sit for the osteopathic IM board exam in order to become a department chair.
 
Red Beard said:
I know of one new-ish faculty member at our school who did an ACGME residency and fellowship and was made to sit for the osteopathic IM board exam in order to become a department chair.
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That's ******ed...er...I mean mentally challenged. What's an osteopathic internist gonna do after he pushes the Lopressor? Perhaps a pedal pump to get the juices movin?
 
VALSALVA said:
That's ******ed...er...I mean mentally challenged. What's an osteopathic internist gonna do after he pushes the Lopressor? Perhaps a pedal pump to get the juices movin?
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Its politics, man.
 
DrMom said:
I don't know the requirements for the other 4 states. When I applied for my license the application stated what the requirements were here & I was surprised b/c of the whole 5 states thing. I can't recall the details anymore, but I may have posted it somewhere last year.
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Oklahoma is unique in that it requires a separate internship for licensure (for DOs), but not necessarily an AOA Traditional rotating internship (TRI). The other 4 states in the "infamous 5" specifically require the TRI (or resolution 42 approval).

Don't ask me why... probably just another byproduct of the screwey way the Okies think 🙂

jd
 
corpsmanUP said:
Almost every chairman of every specialty where I went to medical school was an ACGME grad now working in a DO school. Our Neuro chair did residency at Brown. Our family medicine head did residency ACGME. Our pathology director was a military trained path doc. Our president was a military trained internist and our Dean was an Army anesthetist. All of these guys held ACGME certs. I don't think it's a big deal when a med school (DO) runs across a very well trained candidate.
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All of these guys are now gone with the exception of one. And he leaves in August. 🙁
 
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