Faculty who publish but not with students?

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Do you think faculty members have an ethical/moral/etc obligation to publish with their grad students when possible? Of course, there are some faculty who very rarely publish at all, so it would at least make sense for them not to publish with students. However, I also know of a couple of faculty members who frequently publish but do so almost exclusively with other faculty, colleagues from their post-doc, etc. For example, one has been a faculty member for several years and has tenure and yet out of the 20+ publications they have that are published or under review, only one has a student co-author. I can understand continuing grant work or lines of research with colleagues, but it seems to me like involving your students in publication should be a part of mentorship.

Thoughts?

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Do you think faculty members have an ethical/moral/etc obligation to publish with their grad students when possible? Of course, there are some faculty who very rarely publish at all, so it would at least make sense for them not to publish with students. However, I also know of a couple of faculty members who frequently publish but do so almost exclusively with other faculty, colleagues from their post-doc, etc. For example, one has been a faculty member for several years and has tenure and yet out of the 20+ publications they have that are published or under review, only one has a student co-author. I can understand continuing grant work or lines of research with colleagues, but it seems to me like involving your students in publication should be a part of mentorship.

Thoughts?

I would say that the advisor has some responsibility, particularly early on, to allow (and encourage) their students to be involved in their research, yes. However, at some point the responsibility also falls onto the students. Then again, it's one thing if the students just never express any interest (or are themselves involved in outside research), and something else entirely if the professor is actively telling them "no."

 

[Pragma]

I would say that the advisor has some responsibility, particularly early on, to allow (and encourage) their students to be involved in their research, yes. However, at some point the responsibility also falls onto the students. Then again, it's one thing if the students just never express any interest (or are themselves involved in outside research), and something else entirely if the professor is actively telling them "no."

+1. I'd say it might vary based on how you were trained yourself as a grad student - we tend to perpetuate our training models. I doubt that profs NEVER publishing with students comes up as as a problem as often as issues about order of authorship do.

 

[wigflip]

I've seen profs who fall all over themselves to help students publish, but also faculty who slap their names on your research just because they were on your thesis/diss committee.

Right now the latter group has started a thread on another forum somewhere titled: "Do You Think Graduate Students Have a Duty to Help Their Committee Members Publish?"

 

[ResearchGirlie]

Anyone know whether a faculty member not publishing with students reflects poorly on the faculty member? Not saying that the students should to be put on papers they didn't contribute to, but as a mentor shouldn't they want their students publishing?