Failed 1st semester at Ross....Reapply to State Schools?

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W19 said:
That is not cool to go back and look at his/her previous post so you can say that OP's MCAT was the reason for his/her failure... I am passing my courses and my MCAT score was only 28... stupid verbal! I think the reason some med students fail it's because they have poor study habits...
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I didn't search for his previous post. The link to the thread was posted up above. Yeah a 28/29 MCAT is the average for matriculants now, I believe.
 
W19 said:
That is not cool to go back and look at his/her previous post so you can say that OP's MCAT was the reason for his/her failure... I am passing my courses and my MCAT score was only 28... stupid verbal! I think the reason some med students fail it's because they have poor study habits...
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I think the point DV was making is a good one that doesn't get made enough, namely that people with extremely substandard numbers (28 is not substandard btw, but 18 is) may be well advised to consider that they may not be ready for medical school at all. Someone getting admitted despite low GPA and low MCAT may only be setting themselves up for failure which is what appears to have happened in this case.
 
W19 said:
That is not cool to go back and look at his/her previous post so you can say that OP's MCAT was the reason for his/her failure... I am passing my courses and my MCAT score was only 28... stupid verbal! I think the reason some med students fail it's because they have poor study habits...
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And an 18 is indicative of poor study habits or poor knowledge base. Huge academic risk, not something to go into medical school with, and by taking this applicant (and his money), Ross literally set him up to fail. OP could have taken another year, buckled down to study, gotten a mid 20s or higher score and gone DO.

Not sure why you are comparing a 28 to an 18 as they are leagues apart. Someone who scores an 18 is not ready for medical school. Not saying they can't ever be a doctor, but at that point they are not ready to apply.
 
W19 said:
That is not cool to go back and look at his/her previous post so you can say that OP's MCAT was the reason for his/her failure... I am passing my courses and my MCAT score was only 28... stupid verbal! I think the reason some med students fail it's because they have poor study habits...
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There's a big difference between a 28 and an 18. The MCAT was originally created specifically to gauge potential future success of medical students, as medical schools had extremely high failure rates back in the day and they needed a test to gauge student potential and reduce attrition. It was found that students scoring below what would today be equivalent to a 24 were substantially less likely to be successful in medical school. So the observation that a student with an 18 on the MCAT failed in medical student is not at all surprising, and fits perfectly with the reason the test was created in the first place.
 
You should consider fixing your MCAT deficits as your GPA may not be the issue. And in all seriousness, use the eyes and reasoning center in your brain that God gave you to realize you are in a very deep hole and continuing on the present course will just leave you both not a doctor, and deeply in debt. There are other medical fields.



One Chance said:
Thank you, great advice, but here's when things get tricky....I receive my masters in medical science before getting accepted to Ross....should I pursue another one? It will be a lot more money or should I just focus on trying to do well on the MCAT?
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circulus vitios said:
Drop out of medical school, do an accelerated BSN program, and go to CRNA school after 3 years of ICU/NICU experience. You'll come out making nearly as much as an FP physician -- pretty much all you can hope to match with a failed year and Ross pedigree under your belt -- with a fraction of the debt.
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OP has shown nothing to indicate she has a desire to work in the OR/Anesthesia. You are only recommending this because of $$$$$$. So please stop.
 
MedWonk said:
You may not have much of a choice if you want to remain in medicine in some way. Either you take care of whatever is going on your life and get your **** together academically, or going the PA route (or some other route) will be your other option. Failing a semester at a Carib school makes your application to any med school stateside radioactive, even if you got a 45 on the MCAT taking it again.

If you want to be a physician, staying at Ross is pretty much your only option, and then praying that you're not one of the 30% (who don't get kicked out/fail out during the first two years) that don't match.

The other option (the one that I think is probably more pragmatic and better) would be to cut your losses and go PA. Things won't magically be easier in subsequent semesters. It only gets harder. And then you have to somehow buff up that ERAS application to make up for the failed first semester. It's hard enough to match from the Caribbean, and it'll get harder as US graduates basically squeeze you out as there are more of us graduating in the next few years. I imagine having a failed semester on record makes your prospects of matching even tougher.
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If OP got a 45 on the mcat, I'm sorry but he/she is definitely getting accepted somewhere stateside.

Sorry, I had to 😛
 
sb247 said:
Same thing for if they cure ebola...but let's be honest about in not ever happening
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And double major in electrical engineering and physics, 4.0 those, and first author 3 publications. In summary, 45 MCAT, ebola cure, and another 3 publications on file. All without letting the current debt accumulate to some ridiculous level. Not my cup of tea! =)
 
JimmyB123 said:
If OP got a 45 on the mcat, I'm sorry but he/she is definitely getting accepted somewhere stateside.

Sorry, I had to 😛
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No, probably not. Prepping for the MCAT isn't like studying in med school. They've already shown that they are at high risk of not succeeding in med school. Even if they cured ebola, they haven't provided evidence they can succeed in med school. It'd be great if OP did either of these, but neither of these covers the fact that they failed a semester of med school. You know what would, though? Not failing a semester of med school.
 
One Chance said:
When I said "how about not" I was not meaning to degrade any other profession, it is just my passion to pursue what I feel is my calling in life, at the end of the day numbers mean nothing when God is involved. He's brought me this far, He can turn around any situation, He can shut doors that no man can open and open doors that no man can shut. I wholeheartedly believe that I will reach my dream. I know that the odds are stacked against me but I agree with all of you, it is time that I think long and hard about my future. I'm a 25 year old female that is hoping everything turns out okay. Am I scared? Yes. I realize the situation I am in does not look pretty, this is when my faith has to be bigger than my fear. Merry Christmas to all....yours will def. be merrier than mine, God bless.
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I believe in God. But as a believer in God, we need to accept sometimes that what we think is the best, is not what God deems the best, or what God's will is for us. As others have said, unless/until you can pinpoint a specific problem that caused you to fail (and a problem that is rectifiable....not all problems are), it is a colossal waste of money to continue. My believe is that by "fighting God", one is going to end up losing, even when they get what they want. I see ZERO indication in your posts, that it is God's will for you to be a doctor. I strongly suggest that you consider accepting that, and then opening your mind up to what really is God's will for your life.
 
BidingMyTime said:
I believe in God. But as a believer in God, we need to accept sometimes that what we think is the best, is not what God deems the best, or what God's will is for us. As others have said, unless/until you can pinpoint a specific problem that caused you to fail (and a problem that is rectifiable....not all problems are), it is a colossal waste of money to continue. My believe is that by "fighting God", one is going to end up losing, even when they get what they want. I see ZERO indication in your posts, that it is God's will for you to be a doctor. I strongly suggest that you consider accepting that, and then opening your mind up to what really is God's will for your life.
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This. Just because you want something doesn't make it god's will.

Kind of like how wanting things your way doesn't make you a perfectionist.
 
I fail to see the logic of failing at caribbean school--> apply to US school. Did anyone else look at that alone and think this person probably would not succeed in medicine anywhere?
 
I like the people giving this poster advice on trying to get a US school with the knowledge that if this person tries he or she is probably going to **** up their life
 
You may not want to be forthcoming on an internet forum, but what are the specific reasons that you failed? For many adcoms, PDs, whoever they may be they will want to know them. I have had interviews at multiple MD and DO schools where I was asked to give the REAL reasons behind what happened in my life. Saying "personal reasons" was not good enough. You would surprised how understanding they can be but it only matters if the entirety of your application suggests you can succeed otherwise.

Obviously you failed at Ross so far, but I am kind of ignorant of what quality of students go there. Were you competitive for a postbacc program before you went there? There are a lot of things to think about. I have a very different situation in that I had all A/A- in classes in undergrad through ochem and all that jazz through 3 years (3.88 GPA) and then I had a rough bought of depression. Finished with a 3.4 (Cs, D, Ws) and got a 25 MCAT that I should NOT have even taken. However, I did a postbacc, honored classes with the med students, and now I am in the top 10% of my class at an MD school. I made it very clear I was in control of my life. While I couldn't be sure that being a physician was the only thing I wanted to do, I gave it a shot and it worked out.

When I was first reading this I thought to myself that you would have NO more chances. But it really depends on the overall picture, which is unclear to me.
 
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FranzLO said:
You may not want to be forthcoming on an internet forum, but what are the specific reasons that you failed? For many adcoms, PDs, whoever they may be they will want to know them. I have had interviews at multiple MD and DO schools where I was asked to give the REAL reasons behind what happened in my life. Saying "personal reasons" was not good enough. You would surprised how understanding they can be but it only matters if the entirety of your application suggests you can succeed otherwise.

Obviously you failed at Ross so far, but I am kind of ignorant of what quality of students go there. Were you competitive for a postbacc program before you went there? There are a lot of things to think about. I have a very different situation in that I had all A/A- in classes in undergrad through ochem and all that jazz through 3 years (3.88 GPA) and then I had a rough bought of depression. Finished with a 3.4 (Cs, D, Ws) and got a 25 MCAT that I should NOT have even taken. However, I did a postbacc, honored classes with the med students, and now I am in the top 10% of my class at an MD school. I made it very clear I was in control of my life. While I couldn't be sure that being a physician was the only thing I wanted to do, I gave it a shot and it worked out.

When I was first reading this I thought to myself that you would have NO more chances. But it really depends on the overall picture, which is unclear to me.
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What'd you get on MCAT second go around?
 
TeddyBoomBoom said:
Yeah. There is no way a DO school is going to take a Carib fail-out.

Why in the world would they?
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the only scenario that gives him a shot is to go do something else for a couple of years, then do a post-bacc with excellent grades, kill the mcat and apply with a story that describes passion for medicine, maturity gained along the way, and owning up to what happened.

It would help if his current school would allow for withdraw instead of failure for these courses.

Even then, it's a very, very long shot. One that I would not recommend or personally try. However, if the OP is gonna be hung up on the idea of becoming a doctor and live miserable otherwise, this might give him a shot.
 
All this talk about "passion" for medicine is bull****. It's just another job and unless you own your own business, you're just another hamster in the wheel of corporations or hospitals.
 
Baller MD said:
All this talk about "passion" for medicine is bull****. It's just another job and unless you own your own business, you're just another hamster in the wheel of corporations or hospitals.
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It's true and it's a shame. I see all these old school doctors retiring and it makes me sad. Doctors used to make house calls, now they spend all their time putting crap into the computer
 
jeffk805dent said:
I'm guessing Napa stands for some health care organization


or that awesome place in California
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It's an anesthesia group. 🙂

In regards to OP's issue: I hope he/she does an honest assessment and corrects whatever the issue(s) are before going deeper into debt. Also, OP should have found a more IMG friendly area to ask for support or advice on the issue. 🙂
 
Check out the Ross email I got in Nov last year, they went NUTS trying to get me into the January roster...
My question is, how did they get my contact? WTF

Dear XXX,

Thank you for your interest in Ross University School of Medicine (RUSM). I just wanted to reach out with a quick note: Our January 2014 class continues to fill up at a rapid pace, and I wanted to check in to see if you were interested in joining RUSM for the New Year.

​

There are quite a few reasons why starting your medical training in January may be beneficial to you:

  • We offer both accelerated and traditional curriculum tracks. If you take the accelerated track, you could be holding your medical degree in just under 3 1/2 years. That means if you're diligent with your studies and enter a tracked clinical program (ie, you'd complete all of your core clinical clerkships at the same location or at multiple hospitals within the same general geographic area), you may finish in time for the 2017 Match!
  • Our January classes are typically smaller than our larger September ones, meaning you'd enjoy closer, more personalized attention from our distinguished faculty.
  • On that note, the September classes are generally larger, and there tends to be more competition for seats. Joining in January means you could have less competition for a spot at RUSM, which could raise your chances of becoming enrolled.
Interested in joining our January 2014 class? To make things even easier for you, we'll be waiving application fees* until this coming Saturday, Nov. 30, 2013. That's less than a week from now, so if you're interested, I encourage you to submit your application as soon as possible.

Just visit us online to learn more and apply.

Thank you again for your interest, and we hope to see you in our January 2014 class.

Kind personal regards,

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Gerald J. Wargo, Jr., MBA, MHHR
Vice President of Enrollment Management
Ross University School of Medicine
630 US Highway 1
North Brunswick, NJ 08902
1-855-MDROSSU (1-855-637-6778)
[email protected]
 
I'm sorry you're in this situation, OP, but you have been given your chance. You will NOT be given a seat at any DO school after failing in the Caribbean. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to accept that you've failed to attain your dream, but you must accept it before further damaging yourself with more debt. It's not worth it to go back. There are more things to do in life. Perhaps consider RN-to-NP route. Medical school was simply not meant to be.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I'm sorry you're in this situation, OP, but you have been given your chance. You will NOT be given a seat at any DO school after failing in the Caribbean. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to accept that you've failed to attain your dream, but you must accept it before further damaging yourself with more debt. It's not worth it to go back. There are more things to do in life. Perhaps consider RN-to-NP route. Medical school was simply not meant to be.
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You don't know that for sure. Chances are low, but I believe there is a possibility if OP makes a long term plan, stick to it and repair his/her MCAT score... Whatever happens with second chance!
 
Baller MD said:
All this talk about "passion" for medicine is bull****. It's just another job and unless you own your own business, you're just another hamster in the wheel of corporations or hospitals.
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You shouldn't say that here because most of us think we are going to be on a pedestal and control the day to day healthcare transactions...
 
DrDot said:
Check out the Ross email I got in Nov last year, they went NUTS trying to get me into the January roster...
My question is, how did they get my contact? WTF

Dear XXX,

Thank you for your interest in Ross University School of Medicine (RUSM). I just wanted to reach out with a quick note: Our January 2014 class continues to fill up at a rapid pace, and I wanted to check in to see if you were interested in joining RUSM for the New Year.

​
There are quite a few reasons why starting your medical training in January may be beneficial to you:

  • We offer both accelerated and traditional curriculum tracks. If you take the accelerated track, you could be holding your medical degree in just under 3 1/2 years. That means if you're diligent with your studies and enter a tracked clinical program (ie, you'd complete all of your core clinical clerkships at the same location or at multiple hospitals within the same general geographic area), you may finish in time for the 2017 Match!
  • Our January classes are typically smaller than our larger September ones, meaning you'd enjoy closer, more personalized attention from our distinguished faculty.
  • On that note, the September classes are generally larger, and there tends to be more competition for seats. Joining in January means you could have less competition for a spot at RUSM, which could raise your chances of becoming enrolled.
Interested in joining our January 2014 class? To make things even easier for you, we'll be waiving application fees* until this coming Saturday, Nov. 30, 2013. That's less than a week from now, so if you're interested, I encourage you to submit your application as soon as possible.

Just visit us online to learn more and apply.

Thank you again for your interest, and we hope to see you in our January 2014 class.

Kind personal regards,

wargo_sig.jpg

Gerald J. Wargo, Jr., MBA, MHHR
Vice President of Enrollment Management
Ross University School of Medicine
630 US Highway 1
North Brunswick, NJ 08902
1-855-MDROSSU (1-855-637-6778)
[email protected]
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I get emails from Ross and SGU still, even though I never sent any application to them, and am enrolled in a med school stateside. I look forward to getting these as a resident.
 
Hey I saw a post in the first page of this thread suggesting OP try to get a DPM. I am a 4th year pod student... He can most certainly get into a DPM school after failing out of first semester at Ross.... might have to retake a mcat but no biggie.

Unless he changes what he did wrong that made him fail out of med school, he will almost certainly fail out of pod school as well. From anecdotal experience, there have been several people at my DPM school who were people who failed out of medical school (MD or DO). With no exception, every single one of these people failed out of DPM school as well within the first year. If OP changes and gets his act together, he can most certainly succeed, however, just from what I have seen, I am stating that if he failed med school, he will fail pod school unless he changes his game up.... at my school we do take 75% of MD classes (same exams, scale, etc)... other schools take 100% of classes with med students (western U takes 100% of classes with DO students + pod classes).

Not trying to start a big debate at all about podiatry, just trying to save OP a years worth of tuition
 
Podiatry1 said:
Hey I saw a post in the first page of this thread suggesting OP try to get a DPM. I am a 4th year pod student... He can most certainly get into a DPM school after failing out of first semester at Ross.... might have to retake a mcat but no biggie.

Unless he changes what he did wrong that made him fail out of med school, he will almost certainly fail out of pod school as well. From anecdotal experience, there have been several people at my DPM school who were people who failed out of medical school (MD or DO). With no exception, every single one of these people failed out of DPM school as well within the first year. If OP changes and gets his act together, he can most certainly succeed, however, just from what I have seen, I am stating that if he failed med school, he will fail pod school unless he changes his game up.... at my school we do take 75% of MD classes (same exams, scale, etc)... other schools take 100% of classes with med students (western U takes 100% of classes with DO students + pod classes).

Not trying to start a big debate at all about podiatry, just trying to save OP a years worth of tuition
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Yeah without starting a debate, I think podiatry is great. I am going the MD route as I mentioned but applied DPM and really considered it. And like you mentioned its no guarantee to get in or excel there but I think it is highly underrated and misunderstood. I even know students at my school who think podiatry is only a specialty after MD/DO.
 
W19 said:
You don't know that for sure. Chances are low, but I believe there is a possibility if OP makes a long term plan, stick to it and repair his/her MCAT score... Whatever happens with second chance!
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I don't know for sure if OP will not match Dermatology after failing a semester in the Caribbean if she continues, but that is something ridiculous to have to be certain about. Instead of spreading false hope to someone that clearly has trouble accepting their situation, let's be honest about the situation. It is far more damaging given the circumstances for OP to continue putting down years of her life into this instead of building a new life.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I don't know for sure if OP will not match Dermatology after failing a semester in the Caribbean if she continues, but that is something ridiculous to have to be certain about. Instead of spreading false hope to someone that clearly has trouble accepting their situation, let's be honest about the situation. It is far more damaging given the circumstances for OP to continue putting down years of her life into this instead of building a new life.
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🙄 People are more forgiven than you guys give them credit for... My point was that if OP shows that s/he address the issues that made him/her fail at ROSS and shows adcoms he/she has changed, someone might be willing to give him/her a chance... At least I would...
 
You might but why should DO schools? They have thousands of applicants who didn't fail Out the first semester of Caribbean Med. School. How do you suggest the OP prove he has changed his ways and is ready for another chance stateside?

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W19 said:
🙄 People are more forgiven than you guys give them credit for... My point was that if OP shows that s/he address the issues that made him/her fail at ROSS and shows adcoms he/she has changed, someone might be willing to give him/her a chance... At least I would...
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You put enough caveats on anything and then you can support whatever conclusion you want. "If OP drops out, gets 60 units with 4.0 at a post-bacc, 3 years of research with publications, retakes the MCAT and gets a 36 and gets a 4.0 in an SMP, someone will give them a chance 10 years after this event." We're talking about someone that got 18 on the MCAT and failed out of Ross. How realistic is this? Is it really healthy to push someone with this track record to invest several years of their life for a goal where odds are extremely unlikely? It has nothing to do with being forgiving "I know you've been gambling and are 100k in the hole, but if only you continue gambling against all the odds and do it wisely you can make yourself a millionaire!" You're being counterproductive by encouraging what isn't there.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
You put enough caveats on anything and then you can support whatever conclusion you want. "If OP drops out, gets 60 units with 4.0 at a post-bacc, 3 years of research with publications, retakes the MCAT and gets a 36 and gets a 4.0 in an SMP, someone will give them a chance 10 years after this event." We're talking about someone that got 18 on the MCAT and failed out of Ross. How realistic is this? Is it really healthy to push someone with this track record to invest several years of their life for a goal where odds are extremely unlikely? It has nothing to do with being forgiving "I know you've been gambling and are 100k in the hole, but if only you continue gambling against all the odds and do it wisely you can make yourself a millionaire!" You're being counterproductive by encouraging what isn't there.
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just part of the whole "everyone is a winner" culture where saying no is like committing murder
 
Read this blog: http://www.6medschool.com/?m=1

If you need some background read this blog:
http://www.4medschool.com/

Then call ross first thing Monday morning and tell them you aren't coming back. It's a mistake to go to med school with stats like yours (the author of those blogs actually had marginally better stats than yours). You won't miraculously turn things around despite what some here seem to think…sorry.
 
@AlbinoHawk DO You are so pessimist... I was not saying OP's chances are good. All I was saying, if OP does very well, for instance, in an accelerated RN program and work for 2-3 years. Retake the MCAT, and then do well on a 'DO linkage' postbacc like LMU, he might have a slim shot. If you read the whole thread, most people, including myself have said to OP to try something else like pod, PA, NP etc..., but he rejected these advice... Therefore, we are left with very limited advice we can give OP.

TBH, if I was in this situation, I would abandon the MD/DO idea altogether and do pharmacy or DPM, but OP can only see him/herself as a physician, that was why I gave him/her that specific advice...
 
If OP leaves Ross, comes back to the US, retakes the MCAT and applies to American medical schools, then how will the American medical schools know that she failed at Ross? Do American medical schools call Caribbean schools to verify which applicants are Caribbean dropouts?
 
delawarepremed said:
If OP leaves Ross, comes back to the US, retakes the MCAT and applies to American medical schools, then how will the American medical schools know that she failed at Ross? Do American medical schools call Caribbean schools to verify which applicants are Caribbean dropouts?
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Because they will ask what OP did during that timeframe. The only real answer is "I failed out of the Caribbean", but in the event that OP does not reveal that info he is looking at a dismissal if it ever comes up in the future. Plus OP will have to retake the MCAT, ask for new LoRs, etc.
 
delawarepremed said:
If OP leaves Ross, comes back to the US, retakes the MCAT and applies to American medical schools, then how will the American medical schools know that she failed at Ross? Do American medical schools call Caribbean schools to verify which applicants are Caribbean dropouts?
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If he took loans they can see the history...and lying about attending schools a huge risk of getting expelled after you get caught
 
W19 said:
@AlbinoHawk DO You are so pessimist... I was not saying OP's chances are good. All I was saying, if OP does very well, for instance, in an accelerated RN program and work for 2-3 years. Retake the MCAT, and then do well on a 'DO linkage' postbacc like LMU, he might have a slim shot. If you read the whole thread, most people, including myself have said to OP to try something else like pod, PA, NP etc..., but he rejected these advice... Therefore, we are left with very limited advice we can give OP.

TBH, if I was in this situation, I would abandon the MD/DO idea altogether and do pharmacy or DPM, but OP can only see him/herself as a physician, that was why I gave him/her that specific advice...
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It's not pessimism. I think most people agree that failing out of the Caribbean is pretty much a good place to draw the line in the sand, but hey, to each their own.
 
delawarepremed said:
If OP leaves Ross, comes back to the US, retakes the MCAT and applies to American medical schools, then how will the American medical schools know that she failed at Ross? Do American medical schools call Caribbean schools to verify which applicants are Caribbean dropouts?
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National Student Clearinghouse is a database that keeps track of undergraduate and graduate students' enrollments and grades. I THINK Ross is involved in sending their records to NSC, even though their institution is considered an off-shore school. (Not 100% sure on this!) Medical and other graduate schools can easily verify a student's records via NSC.

Either way, it is very risky to omit the failures from a medical school (or any other official) application system. Getting caught will SURELY leave the responsible student with a black mark that is much worse than failing out of medical school.
 
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W19 said:
@AlbinoHawk DO You are so pessimist... I was not saying OP's chances are good. All I was saying, if OP does very well, for instance, in an accelerated RN program and work for 2-3 years. Retake the MCAT, and then do well on a 'DO linkage' postbacc like LMU, he might have a slim shot. If you read the whole thread, most people, including myself have said to OP to try something else like pod, PA, NP etc..., but he rejected these advice... Therefore, we are left with very limited advice we can give OP.

TBH, if I was in this situation, I would abandon the MD/DO idea altogether and do pharmacy or DPM, but OP can only see him/herself as a physician, that was why I gave him/her that specific advice...
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As a child, my friends and I always thought we'd become super models like Tyra or Kate, but that did not happen. Similarly, I dated guys in high school who were sure they were going to get picked up by a division I school and work their way into the NFL or MLB, but again, this did not work out. We all have dreams, but we also have to understand our limitations. Not to be a jerk, but if getting an 18 on the MCAT and failing out of Ross is not a "come to Jesus" moment, then I don't know what is.
 
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