Failing O chem after getting in....

[bdyoon]

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I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

 

[pAwSN]

Not anything against you, but that is why people should take ochem way before applying to school because it is a tough class and many people do not do too well the first time taking it. you may want to try csulb or cal poly pomona but you have to check with the school to see if they even accept summer classes. most schools don't. if csulb has it maybe you can take it as an open university student. so you talked with the professor and there is no way of getting a C?

 

[imkim01]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

I start pharm school this fall and am currently taking o chem II as well. I am also not doing well but it looks like I will probably be able to pass the class w/ a C. It is a tough class and is even tougher after getting accpeted to school due to the no motivation of studying hard. Irvine Valley College offers ochem II during this summer and you better hurry up to get the registration date. My advice for you would be that you should give up the mission trip or delay it to next year if you end up not passing the class and retake the class in summer not to lose your acceptance. You must have worked very hard to get to this point and you don't want to lose your accomplishment.

 

[insipid1979]

If you fail it during the spring and pass it during the summer will the school still accept you?

 

[sarahjth]

I say plead with anyone.. I would do absolutely anything and everything to get that C. Talk to the dean. Talk to the professor. Extra credit? Volunteering? Anything!! Do it all. If pharmacy school means the world to you, I'd def. work something out.

 

[insipid1979]

I say plead with anyone.. I would do absolutely anything and everything to get that C. Talk to the dean. Talk to the professor. Extra credit? Volunteering? Anything!! Do it all. If pharmacy school means the world to you, I'd def. work something out.

It doesn't look like bdyoon is taking this class at a community college so I wouldn't expect the professor to be unfair to the other students in the class and just give bdyoon extra credit or let him/her volunteer to get a passing grade. (i wish that was the case in the organic chemistry class i am taking now 🙁 )

 

[Ijeoma]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

aww man! i feel so bad for you. This is definitely an undesirable situation. I breezed thru O-Chem II but it sure as hell did not breeze thru me. Today, i dont know jack about that course. but i still made an A. do you study with a partner? you use note cards?

I wish you the best man!

 

[BiOGoly]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

That really sucks man...I can empathize with your prediciment. However, don't get overwhelmed. It's best to tackle the problem logically. Hope springs eternal so I'd still work my ass off to pass Ochem, but I also know that once you've fallen off the horse in that class you often end up trampled. It's in your best interest to make contingency plans for not passing. I'd immediately arrange for a remediation summer term, I know it probably sucks to have to give up your trip, but I don't see anyway around that unless you'd like to put off school for another year. The orgo II class doesn't have to be at the same school...you can probably save money if you take the course at Community College (not to mention it's probably easier at CC, but not necessarily). The big thing I remember about organic II was that it was very difficult to follow if you didn't have Organic I down pat. So you might want to review first term reactions and make sure you understand the concepts. Before you start summer session call Venessa at Pacific and inform her of the situation. You might be able to work something out. I heard that someone was able to use a online CC course for their A&P 😱 If they'll let that fly you might have some wiggle room...but believe in yourself, I'm sure you can beat that class this summer 🙂

 

[racy33]

Most of the profs that I have had consider your overall improvement throughout the class when figuring your grade. I was borderline C/C- in a class (bombed the first test big time) but I worked my booty off towards the end of the term and ended up with a C. The professor knew I had been working hard - I went to review sessions, office hours, made appointments, etc. I don't know if they do this at big schools, but coming from a smaller school this is pretty common. Just study study study and hope for the best!

 

[marrymenatalie]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

UCI has the entire ochem series during the summer. Actually every UC should have the ochem series in the summer time. You also might want to check some of the private schools, and a few JCs might have it like IVC

 

[genesis09]

Never say never; don't give up hope. I took Orgo 2 last year, and had problems with it. Going into finals, I had a low C, but I dug in and fought. For me, the final was worth 40% of the grade, and so, much as possible. I studied my butt off, and aced that final. My final grade ended up being a B, my hardest fought and won B ever.
I knew another person in my class who was having problems. She gave up. She left only 45 minutes into a two hour organic 2 final. There was no way a person could finish that quickly.

 

[pinkpnther86]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

Ohhh…I TOTALLY feel you man! I’m in the same HORRIBLE terrible predicament, except the school I was accepted to will not take summer courses what-so-ever, even if you plead to death with them.

I have worked so HARD to get this far, and UIC is my first choice….to think I could lose my acceptance because of Organic II is making me sooo depressed these days….. 🙁

The middle of this semester was filled with so many distractions (interviews etc) that I put things off and totally bombed my second test. I have one more test (next Wednesday) and the final left to save myself, but it’s super difficult because the third test is based off a lot of the stuff we learned from the second test (that I don’t know so well). Plus our final is the national ACS exam which is cumulative of everything.


I’m just so overwhelmed because there is absolutely SO much for me to know and I feel like even if I study day and night, there is no way I can get everything down pat. I hope I don’t freak out on the test and go completely blank from all the pressure.

All I we can do now is to study study study and hope, prrrraaaayyy for the best....


I swear, when this semester is over….I’m gonna party like its 1999! 😛 (that is, if things works out the way I would like)

 

[museabuse]

It doesn't look like bdyoon is taking this class at a community college so I wouldn't expect the professor to be unfair to the other students in the class and just give bdyoon extra credit or let him/her volunteer to get a passing grade. (i wish that was the case in the organic chemistry class i am taking now 🙁 )

I think it is wrong to assume just because you go to a community college your classes are easier, or you get less of an education. I think it depends on the teacher. I know for a fact that my organic class at the CC had a few students from ASU thinking it would be easier but the teacher we had was a ball buster. Many of those students either dropped it or took second semester with a different teacher or took organic back at ASU.

Most people don't go to community college because it is easier. Most people I know go there because they cannot afford 4 years at a university, and for the flexibility. I for one went to a community college my first two years and then transfered to a university. After arriving at the university I was afraid I wouldn't be up to par but found the oppisite to be true. I sure as hell learned alot more in biology and chemistry with only 30 people in my class than I would have learned sitting in a large lecture hall with 250. For one I couldn't fall asleep or skip class without the teacher knowing.

 

[insipid1979]

I think it is wrong to assume just because you go to a community college your classes are easier, or you get less of an education. I think it depends on the teacher. I know for a fact that my organic class at the CC had a few students from ASU thinking it would be easier but the teacher we had was a ball buster. Many of those students either dropped it or took second semester with a different teacher or took organic back at ASU.

Most people don't go to community college because it is easier. Most people I know go there because they cannot afford 4 years at a university, and for the flexibility. I for one went to a community college my first two years and then transfered to a university. After arriving at the university I was afraid I wouldn't be up to par but found the oppisite to be true. I sure as hell learned alot more in biology and chemistry with only 30 people in my class than I would have learned sitting in a large lecture hall with 250. For one I couldn't fall asleep or skip class without the teacher knowing.

I didn't say the class was easier. I just said that the professor would be more willing to bend the rules involving grades. I have taken a few classes at community college and the professors usually baby the students compared to university. Besides everyone knows that it is much easier to get a high gpa at a community college than at a uiversity if you put in the same amount of work. Of course there are always going to be exceptions.

And thanks for implying that I think people take classes at community colleges because it is easier 🙄. Is there anything else you want to tell me about what I think?
Because I didn't say anything of the sort. But obviously you are a mind reader.

 

[pills_r_good]

Dude, I say blow off the mission trip and take it again in the summer. You gotta do what you gotta do. I'm sure you signed some sort of waiver when you got accepted into pharmacy school that said they could take away your acceptance if you didn't pass. I understand that you made a commitment to go on that mission trip, but it would jeopardize your pharmacy future if you went. Retake Ochem II in the summer and pass, and you'll be happy you did when you're @ pharmacy school in the fall.

 

[crazyrice610]

Dude, I say blow off the mission trip and take it again in the summer. You gotta do what you gotta do. I'm sure you signed some sort of waiver when you got accepted into pharmacy school that said they could take away your acceptance if you didn't pass. I understand that you made a commitment to go on that mission trip, but it would jeopardize your pharmacy future if you went. Retake Ochem II in the summer and pass, and you'll be happy you did when you're @ pharmacy school in the fall.

i think ucr also has the whole ochem series in the summer. i think my friend did it once. but it would be tough! ochem is all about practice. i suggest also going to the lib and getting other ochem textbooks to see other examples that they might give in other textbooks. some textbooks likes to use alot of colors and hv detailed mechs (usually i can understand it better when everything is drawn out very clearly). do not memorize stuff... it will make ochem alot worst, instead try to comprehend why the mech works. say if it says it kicks off certain side chains is it b/c of pka or is it because of stability does one structure offer more resonanace structure than another, etc. go to office hours go to more discussion sections, and do every single prob in the book even if it's not assigned. that's how i earned all my A's thru ochem.. by doing ALOT of probs! i did every prob in the chap at least 2x's plus any other probs that seems like a potential test question in other textbooks. it helps understanding alot eaiser. wish you luck. hope u can pass w/o having to take it over the summer!

 

[jemini99]

Cal State University Dominquez Hills also offers Organic Chem during the summer

 

[Caverject]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

Damn...I can't believe all of you that pity da fool like this guy

hey bdyoon...

NEWSFLASH

Many people pass ochem 2!!! It's a fact of life!

Your teacher is psyching you out. If you do fail, then you do it over the summer. It's not that hard to figure out what you need to do. If it affects your trip then cancel the stupid trip! I'm sure people from Paraguay will survive with or without you. It comes down to how bad do you want to be in pharmacy school.

If Paraguay is more important to you, that's cool. Maybe you should try to get a job with EF Tours or something instead of pharmacy school.

 

[skeksis]

I think it is wrong to assume just because you go to a community college your classes are easier, or you get less of an education. I think it depends on the teacher. I know for a fact that my organic class at the CC had a few students from ASU thinking it would be easier but the teacher we had was a ball buster. Many of those students either dropped it or took second semester with a different teacher or took organic back at ASU.

Most people don't go to community college because it is easier. Most people I know go there because they cannot afford 4 years at a university, and for the flexibility. I for one went to a community college my first two years and then transfered to a university. After arriving at the university I was afraid I wouldn't be up to par but found the oppisite to be true. I sure as hell learned alot more in biology and chemistry with only 30 people in my class than I would have learned sitting in a large lecture hall with 250. For one I couldn't fall asleep or skip class without the teacher knowing.

I have no intention of calling anyone out on this thread for whatever was written about community colleges. I just wanted to say *thank you* for this post. I totally agree.

 

[freshbeatschris]

I got accepted to a school but now it seems like I won't pass o chem II. I am so depressed these days...I talked to the professor and she said it will be very tough to pass...
Has anyone been in same situation? What would I do if I don't pass 😱 ?
I haven't called the school yet and I am scared to call and ask.
I already have commitment for Paraguay mission trip in the summer so summer session would be tough...(does anyone know if any schools in So. California have ochem II in the summer??)

I finally get into a school and just thinking about losing the spot because of o chem makes me sick in the stomach.
Any suggestions?

I am in somewhat of the same boat as you, but not with organic. My problem is calculus. I put it off to the very end because I knew I would struggle with it - pretty dumb, huh?

Anyway, KEEP talking to the instructor. Give up ALL of your enjoyment for these last few weeks. Make HUGE sacrifices. Think about it this way, whatever you pay out of your life right now, you will reap the benefits over the entire summer. Don't give up in your head and your heart, instead you need to get a Fighting Mentality. I am doing the same thing in calculus and I am hanging on. It Can Be Done.

Chris

 

[csa78]

I am in somewhat of the same boat as you, but not with organic. My problem is calculus. I put it off to the very end because I knew I would struggle with it - pretty dumb, huh?

Anyway, KEEP talking to the instructor. Give up ALL of your enjoyment for these last few weeks. Make HUGE sacrifices. Think about it this way, whatever you pay out of your life right now, you will reap the benefits over the entire summer. Don't give up in your head and your heart, instead you need to get a Fighting Mentality. I am doing the same thing in calculus and I am hanging on. It Can Be Done.

Chris

Amen to that!

 

[smallkitty00]

Amen to that!

Hi!

UCR has the whole series of Ochem offered this summer. Go tu: summer.ucr.edu.

Good luck!

 

[museabuse]

I have taken a few classes at community college and the professors usually baby the students compared to university. .

Is that a bad thing? 😕

Is there anything else you want to tell me about what I think?
Because I didn't say anything of the sort. But obviously you are a mind reader.

My magic eight ball says "don't argue with you... you can never be wrong and you know everything..."

 

[insipid1979]

Is that a bad thing? 😕

It is when you can't function and learn to be on your own without a professor looking over your back making sure you don't fall asleep or skip class:

I sure as hell learned alot more in biology and chemistry with only 30 people in my class than I would have learned sitting in a large lecture hall with 250. For one I couldn't fall asleep or skip class without the teacher knowing.

My magic eight ball says "don't argue with you... you can never be wrong and you know everything..."

You have a very smart magic eight ball.

In my experience though community college teachers are more willing to adjust grades through giving you extra credit and things like that...where all the university professors I have had don't budge at all. (i got 468 points in my Bio 100 class...the cutoff for and A was 470...He told me he won't give me an A because no matter where he puts the cutoff someone will be just a few points away and it wouldn't be fair to the other students...of course I was angry at the time...but now I see his point)

 

[norx]

feelin ur pain... check my blog on organic chem yo!

 

[All4MyDaughter]

I think it is wrong to assume just because you go to a community college your classes are easier, or you get less of an education. I think it depends on the teacher. I know for a fact that my organic class at the CC had a few students from ASU thinking it would be easier but the teacher we had was a ball buster. Many of those students either dropped it or took second semester with a different teacher or took organic back at ASU.

Most people don't go to community college because it is easier. Most people I know go there because they cannot afford 4 years at a university, and for the flexibility. I for one went to a community college my first two years and then transfered to a university. After arriving at the university I was afraid I wouldn't be up to par but found the oppisite to be true. I sure as hell learned alot more in biology and chemistry with only 30 people in my class than I would have learned sitting in a large lecture hall with 250. For one I couldn't fall asleep or skip class without the teacher knowing.

I agree, and I wish I had taken more of my pre-reqs at the local CC. The class I did take there was great. It wasn't all that easy, and the professor didn't do us any favors in terms of grades or requirements or whatever, but the difference was that he was a GREAT teacher who obviously LOVED teaching. That can make a huge difference.

The tuition at our CC is a lot cheaper than the tuition of the university I ended up going to. I have spent a fortune on pre-reqs - although the tuition credit I got on my taxes this year takes a bit of the sting away, for sure.

 

[imperial frog]

I think it is wrong to assume just because you go to a community college your classes are easier, or you get less of an education. I think it depends on the teacher.

Out of all my classes including my masters level ones, the hardest instuctor I've ever had was my CC Organics instructor and it wasn't simply because of the material. The good thing was that if you passed her class...you knew the stuff.

 

[Smilescali]

I agree, and I wish I had taken more of my pre-reqs at the local CC. The class I did take there was great. It wasn't all that easy, and the professor didn't do us any favors in terms of grades or requirements or whatever, but the difference was that he was a GREAT teacher who obviously LOVED teaching. That can make a huge difference.

The tuition at our CC is a lot cheaper than the tuition of the university I ended up going to. I have spent a fortune on pre-reqs - although the tuition credit I got on my taxes this year takes a bit of the sting away, for sure.

This is so common...I am tired of people saying that the CC is the easy way out. I have learned so much from professors that actually love to teach and I feel that I have benefited from the smaller classes as well. Grade curves were non- existent, the grade you earned it is the grade you got.

It depends on the professor not the institution in most cases.

museabuse- too funny! The same thing happened in my O-chem class only with UCSD and Cal State students! Their arrogance was quickly curbed with the first exam.....

 

[sarahjth]

I took a class at a CC near me. It was out of my district but I loved it. In fact, I even got ready to go there, got a job as an RA in the CC's new apartment complex. . . until I was given free tuition at WIU.. so I opted to stay with the university. Can't beat the tuition price! But I had a great experience with a CC. But I guess, much like other people in this forum, CC's are stereotyped to be easier (even if they aren't). Just like people assume some universities are easier or harder than others... It's a never ending cycle!

 

[bdyoon]

Thanks to everyone who responded.
I guess I just wanted to vent and "think out loud" the fraustrations I have.
Somebody said earlier that I shouldn't get any sympathy or something like that. I agree. I wasn't looking for any. I do understand that many students take O chem II and do well. I just didn't. I am also taking Microbio and Physiology and I am doing ok in those courses but struggling in o chem.

As far as community college stereotypes goes, I think it all depends on the instructor. I have my B.S. from 4 year university went back to CC to take some of the prereq's. Some courses were easier at the univ. and some were easier at CC.

I do intend to register for summer sessions, incase I don't make it. I hope the school will accept summer courses (haven't gotten myself to pickup the phone to ask yet ) I see that IVC has the course. Someone said Cal state Dominguez Hills offered it but when I checked it out, it wasn't so. We'll see.
I'll keep you all updated, thanks again for all of your responses.

BD

 

[Calibration1]

feelin ur pain... check my blog on organic chem yo!

I like your blog but cant post via loggin. Must be broke.

 

[RxRob]

The Bad: Most of those acceptance clauses specify contingency on passing with a C or better, which it doesn't sound like will happen if you're trying to just pass.

The Good: I think accepted is accepted, I know of a couple of students in my P1 class that had to dual enroll in the regular university to make up a pre-req they didn't finish even though the letter and the website were very adamant about these needing to be done.

And last, if you can do it over the summer, you do it. The "committees" at these grad schools could care less about Paraguay or dead relatives etc... Sure individually they're all cool... but something about all entering a room together to discuss something and they have some sort of imperative to out-mean each other.

 

[BiOGoly]

I hope the school will accept summer courses (haven't gotten myself to pickup the phone to ask yet )
BD

Summer classes are no problem at Pacific! I took full sequences of General Chem. and A&P during summer term. I have no idea why some schools wouldn't accept summer classes. None of the summer classes I've taken have been the least bit lenient. It's just the same material covered in a vastly reduced time period.

 

[insipid1979]

Summer classes are no problem at Pacific! I took full sequences of General Chem. and A&P during summer term. I have no idea why some schools wouldn't accept summer classes. None of the summer classes I've taken have been the least bit lenient. It's just the same material covered in a vastly reduced time period.

Do you know if they will still take it though if you fail the course during the spring semester?

 

[BiOGoly]

Do you know if they will still take it though if you fail the course during the spring semester?

I'm sure that after being granted acceptance they will take a course that has been remediated...as long as you pass with a C or better. However, it's important that there is a dialogue between the student and admissions so that the school is aware of your plans.

 

[beccala33]

Summer classes are no problem at Pacific! I took full sequences of General Chem. and A&P during summer term. I have no idea why some schools wouldn't accept summer classes. None of the summer classes I've taken have been the least bit lenient. It's just the same material covered in a vastly reduced time period.

It isn't that schools won't take any summer classes. It's that some schools require all prereqs to be finished by the end of the spring semester. At Wingate, they have to have your transcripts by the beginning of June, they won't take any classes that you take after that. When they offer you an interview, they ask if you are in the process of taking the prereqs that you are missing. If you aren't, they don't invite you for an interview.

 

[hollynbaby]

i personally feel that if you are worried about it this late in the semester then it's probably too late to change your grade THAT much. goes to show that a strong start in the beginning of the semester can pull you through to the end.