Family Med vs Peds

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Hey guys! I'm currently a third year medical student, but I've got to make a decision soon to plan for 4th year! I've always been super pumped about doing family med, but I didn't enjoy my family med rotation very much. It was more shadowing than a rotation. However, I did a short rotation in peds, and I loved it. I'm sort of torn between both because I'm not sure if my FM rotation was not as fun due to it being a "shadowing" rotation.

I was wondering if any residents could give me some pros and cons to FM and Peds to help me make a better decision. I know the decision is ultimately up to me, but I would love to hear what you all have to say.

Thanks everyone and Happy New Year!

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Hello Winged Scapula!

Yes, I have considered it, but I do not think there are many residencies for that in the area that I would like to be. However, my fiancé works close by, and there are a few FM residencies and one Peds residency near her job.
 
Hello Winged Scapula!

Yes, I have considered it, but I do not think there are many residencies for that in the area that I would like to be. However, my fiancé works close by, and there are a few FM residencies and one Peds residency near her job.
OK...stop right there. Location is always an issue (and always will be), but if you're starting off the process by limiting yourself to a geographic area with a single residency program for one of the specialties you're interested in, you're in for a pretty miserable match season next year.
 
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OK...stop right there. Location is always an issue (and always will be), but if you're starting off the process by limiting yourself to a geographic area with a single residency program for one of the specialties you're interested in, you're in for a pretty miserable match season next year.

That's true. Actually the few FM residencies are all within range of my fiancé's job. But you are correct. The Peds residency is the only one in the area. Of course, if I did decide to go with peds, I would apply to the others in my state.

Thanks!
 
Have you done an IM rotation already? Ask yourself the following:

1) Do you like adult patients?
2) Do you think you want to focus on inpatient or outpatient settings?
3) Any interest in OB stuff?

These are the sorts of things that help narrow down which field to pursue, not location.
 
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Have you done an IM rotation already? Ask yourself the following:

1) Do you like adult patients?
2) Do you think you want to focus on inpatient or outpatient settings?
3) Any interest in OB stuff?

These are the sorts of things that help narrow down which field to pursue, not location.

Hey CopaceticOne. Yeah, I do like adults (but maybe I like kids more?), but I haven't had a full month of peds yet. Definitely like outpatient more than inpatient. Haven't had an OB rotation yet, so I don't know about that one yet.
 
Hey CopaceticOne. Yeah, I do like adults (but maybe I like kids more?), but I haven't had a full month of peds yet. Definitely like outpatient more than inpatient. Haven't had an OB rotation yet, so I don't know about that one yet.

If you haven't done a full peds rotation yet, I don't think you can really make this decision. The advantage between deciding between these two fields, though, is that there's some cross-over (unlike, say, Surgery and Medicine), so if you build a good fourth year schedule allowing you to pursue opportunities in both, you can cross-over some of the LORs (Peds is perfectly accepting of other specialty LORs, so long as you have some from Peds, and since Peds is a part of FM, any peds letters you cultivate can also go to FM, assuming you also have some from FM/Medicine). You can also plan to study hard and show good enthusiasm for your upcoming peds and OB rotations and may be able to get letters from each of those.

The key is really going to be whether or not you want to take care of adults. Those of us who went into peds don't like dealing with the adult side of medicine, and much prefer the congenital/accidental/not so chronic aspects of peds. Another thing to keep in mind is whether or not you might be interested in a specialty--you can't specialize much in FM, but you can in Peds and Med-Peds. And finally, the type of practice you want will help determine which is a better fit. If you're planning on being in a suburban practice, a good chunk of the peds patients will be seen by one of the local pediatricians instead of FM. If you're shooting more for a rural practice, you can see much more of the full scope of medicine (cradle to grave).
 
I loved my first FM rotation and hated my second. both my preceptors were amazing, but the second one was primarily geriatric based FM and being that I am going into peds, I hated it. But if my second was more similar to my first FM, i probably would have at least applied FM as well.
 
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Peds: No OB, no adults. Potential for tons of different fellowships.

Med/Peds: No OB, but adults+peds, longer than either the Peds or FM residency. You have tons of fellowship options - peds or IM alone or some fellowships will be a true Med/peds fellowship.

FM: peds+adults+OB. depending on residency it may be inpatient heavy, or very little inpatient. same with pediatrics portion and OB portion. no "true" fellowship, but there are "certificate" programs for a very limited set of areas (sports med, C/s training/high risk OB, geriatrics, adolescent, HIV, and hospice)

I am sure this is true for pretty much every field - but as a FM attending your patient population will depend on your location of practice/competitors/access to care. FM in upper class areas with a high concentration of sub specialists will have a limited practice. a FM in an inner city or rural area will have a wide scope of practice (some rural doctors will be the ONLY access patients have for ob/internal med/peds).
 
Your decision should be based on the medicine you'll actually practice, not the people who you worked with. While it's unfortunate you had a less than stellar experience, you need to look past that and decide if what family practice physicians do is in line with your interests. This is true on the flipside as well, if a particular group of attendings/residents seem awesome, that shouldn't sway you either.
 
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Hey guys! I'm currently a third year medical student, but I've got to make a decision soon to plan for 4th year! I've always been super pumped about doing family med, but I didn't enjoy my family med rotation very much. It was more shadowing than a rotation. However, I did a short rotation in peds, and I loved it. I'm sort of torn between both because I'm not sure if my FM rotation was not as fun due to it being a "shadowing" rotation.

I was wondering if any residents could give me some pros and cons to FM and Peds to help me make a better decision. I know the decision is ultimately up to me, but I would love to hear what you all have to say.

Thanks everyone and Happy New Year!

I asked a similar question to a FM mentor. He said that in family you will likely have at least 90% adult patients and if you don't feel good about that, then it might not be the right field for you. I felt strongly that I would not be happy with only 1 in 10 patients being a kid so I chose pediatrics. I'm really glad I did, though I still think I could have found a happy road in FM too, with greater effort.
 
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Do you like OB/GYN? After my OB/GYN rotation, it sold it for me that I would do an IM internship instead of FP. I had absolutely no interest being kinda good at everything encompassing medicine. If you hate OB/GYN and have no desire to see another delivery in your life (except perhaps your own)...that may help make up your mind for you.

As others have said...do you like taking care of adults. If you do FP...don't plan on doing much Peds. The landscape of medicine is changing and FPs seeing heavy Peds populations is not common unless you are in a VERY rural/high need area. Parents generally want their kids seen by a board certified Pediatrician. Likewise...it is uncommon for FPs to do OB/GYN now days.

If you really want to take care of children...go Peds and don't look back. You can try to screw around with IM/PEDS or some other combo program with Peds, but ultimately...you are going to have to define your scope of practice and it will likely be adult or children.
 
Do you like OB/GYN? After my OB/GYN rotation, it sold it for me that I would do an IM internship instead of FP. I had absolutely no interest being kinda good at everything encompassing medicine. If you hate OB/GYN and have no desire to see another delivery in your life (except perhaps your own)...that may help make up your mind for you.

As others have said...do you like taking care of adults. If you do FP...don't plan on doing much Peds. The landscape of medicine is changing and FPs seeing heavy Peds populations is not common unless you are in a VERY rural/high need area. Parents generally want their kids seen by a board certified Pediatrician. Likewise...it is uncommon for FPs to do OB/GYN now days.

If you really want to take care of children...go Peds and don't look back. You can try to screw around with IM/PEDS or some other combo program with Peds, but ultimately...you are going to have to define your scope of practice and it will likely be adult or children.
Your second paragraph seems at odds with the first.

Don't let a dislike of OB/GYN make you turn away from FM (I haven't delivery a baby since residency, and only did 40 then).

That said, if taking care of kids is what you really want then you should go with FM. I do some pediatrics, but the vast majority is either adults or adolescents - not much in terms of younger kids in FM these days.
 
Your second paragraph seems at odds with the first.

Don't let a dislike of OB/GYN make you turn away from FM (I haven't delivery a baby since residency, and only did 40 then).

That said, if taking care of kids is what you really want then you should go with FM. I do some pediatrics, but the vast majority is either adults or adolescents - not much in terms of younger kids in FM these days.

I had absolutely no desire to deliver a baby and take care of pregnant women. Not for life, not during residency, and not again. Some FP programs aren't OB heavy, but some are (especially the ones in the military...where there is an enormous OB shortage and the FPs do practically everything).
 
I had absolutely no desire to deliver a baby and take care of pregnant women. Not for life, not during residency, and not again. Some FP programs aren't OB heavy, but some are (especially the ones in the military...where there is an enormous OB shortage and the FPs do practically everything).
That's certainly reasonable, I just think its short sighted if you like everything else about FP (not saying you are, just a generic you) to decide not to pursue it because of not wanting to do a few OB rotations.
 
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I was torn between Med-Peds, IM, and general surgery. Ended up doing Med-Peds. It's not for everyone. It's 4 years rather than 3. It can't be compared to FM in that it is predominantly inpatient based, much more unit (6-7 months of CCU, MICU, PICU, NICU) and ward (I don't know how many months) and ed time (6-7 months ED and urgent care) than FM, and it's half IM and half peds (whereas FM has something like 6 months or less of peds altogether). My own perspective is that most Med-Peds people are internists by mind set. They see the analogies between adult and pediatric disease, they are not offended/annoyed by kids or their parents, and they try to apply the rigor of the internist to the pediatric patient, which is not the most natural or even effective way to do it.

There are ways in which pediatrics is easier than internal medicine (disease burden and complexity for one) and ways in which it is much harder (unreliability or absence of subjective history, noncompliance with physical exam maneuvers, fretfulness within the field of alarming parents with serious disease on the differential, the aversion to radiation exposure creating high thresholds for imaging, the need for sedation or anesthesia for routine imaging and procedures, etc.). The anxiety levels are much higher with sick children and especially sick babies than with adults.

The compensation for medical subspecialties is much higher than for pediatric subspecialties, sometimes ridiculously so. Peds hematologists-oncologists get paid $~100K starting out. Adult counterparts get paid $~250-300K. Unfortunately, society and the government do not respect those who treat children with cancer the way they do those who treat adults with cancer.

If you hate taking care of adults and are willing to take the paycut of pediatrics, then do pediatrics. If you enjoy taking care of both, think about Med-Peds or an organ-focused/surgical subspecialty (although, correct me if I'm wrong WS, but I think surgeons are now so subspecialized that the pediatric urologist will not be doing adult urology and vice versa, etc.). FM unfortunately is predominantly outpatient based and does not offer fellowship opportunities. The population they treat is predominantly adult and geriatric (just like outpatient and inpatient internists).

My general impression from your first post is that pediatrics is the right fit for you, you just need to figure out whether or not you will miss adults too much to give up on them entirely and whether you are willing to tolerate the paycut compared to most other fields in medicine.
 
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FM unfortunately is predominantly outpatient based and does not offer fellowship opportunities.
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As for the OP, you have to first consider the scope of practice that you desire before you can really make the choice.

What do you like about pediatrics? The inpatient medicine, the outpatient medicine, or the specialties?

Would you still want to do adult medicine (inpatient or outpatient), or can you see yourself shutting that door forever?

The scope of your pediatric exposure in FM is also training dependent. I have a friend in an FM residency, and they have about a 20% pediatric patient panel (birth up to 18 years of age), which I feel is realistic for a Family Practice. Your bread and butter is still going to be adult/geriatric medicine, but a consistent pediatric exposure is certainly possible.
 
I was torn between Med-Peds, IM, and general surgery. Ended up doing Med-Peds. It's not for everyone. It's 4 years rather than 3. It can't be compared to FM in that it is predominantly inpatient based, much more unit (6-7 months of CCU, MICU, PICU, NICU) and ward (I don't know how many months) and ed time (6-7 months ED and urgent care) than FM, and it's half IM and half peds (whereas FM has something like 6 months or less of peds altogether). My own perspective is that most Med-Peds people are internists by mind set. They see the analogies between adult and pediatric disease, they are not offended/annoyed by kids or their parents, and they try to apply the rigor of the internist to the pediatric patient, which is not the most natural or even effective way to do it.
This must be either location dependent or something. All the med-peds people I've met are much more pediatricians than internists (made them infuriating to round with on IM rotations in med school).

Rest of your post is pretty accurate.
 
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