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Do you have to do a fellowship to see children or geriatric patients?

If you plan to go into private practice and get paid out of pocket, do you have to get board certification?

As a psychiatrist, what are the limits of the prescriptions you can write - can you prescribe something unrelated to psychiatry?
 
You don't but its better if you do, especially with kids.
You should be BC'ed, private practice or not. You don't have to though.
As a physician you have no real limitations on prescriptive power. You should have a reason.

All this and more shall you learn.
 
You don't but its better if you do, especially with kids.
You should be BC'ed, private practice or not. You don't have to though.
As a physician you have no real limitations on prescriptive power. You should have a reason.

All this and more shall you learn.

haha. thanks 🙂

So even working on my own I should be board certified, but what is the benefit to that? With the expense of more testing, time of more testing, and more test stress 😉 ?
 
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haha. thanks 🙂

So even working on my own I should be board certified, but what is the benefit to that? With the expense of more testing, time of more testing, and more test stress 😉 ?

For one thing, by the time you take the test, it wont be quite as idiotic as it is now....hopefully. Testing does keep us in check a little bit and provides sort of a standard candle.

The other major reason is lawyers.
 
If you plan to go into private practice and get paid out of pocket, do you have to get board certification?

You do not as written above.

However, if you expect to get paid out of pocket, most patients want to see some proof of your quality. Although I do not believe board-certification is a reliable index of good quality, it is one of the only ones available. Several will not want to shelf out a lot of money (out-of-pocket) if they do not see a board certification or a D.O. That is written with full acknowledgment that I don't believe that not being board-certified or being a D.O. means the person is a worse doctor.

(Some of the worst doctors I've seen are board-certified).

If you do run a private practice, several insurance companies will not accept you on their list of doctors they will reimburse without board certification. Some will, but on the declaration that you will get board certified in a specific time range or they'll eventually drop you.

As for seeing children, I agree with all of the above. I was recommended by a friend who was a forensic and child psychiatrist that it's not out of the question to see children, but if you are not a child psychiatrist, try to limit yourself to older children (e.g. age 16 or older), and on simple cases. Do not touch with a ten foot pole very complex cases (e.g. a 10 year old with schizophrenia), unless you're the only psychiatrist in the geographical area that can see the patient. Then, if you are in that situation where you're the only one, if you still choose to the see the patient, make full declaration of your limitations and suggest that the patient see someone who is better qualified.

Being the only one in the area can afford some legal protection. Remember, the standard of care is geographically based. If you are in an area where you are the only person who is psychiatrically trained (as is the case in several midwest states), the person may have no choice but to see you, and because of the geographically based standard, you are afforded some protection because no one else can be used as the standard.

That said, ethically, we still need to be aware of our limitations and refer out as needed. Simply because we may be the only one in the area does not give us free reign to do poor work or not warn our patients of our limits. They have the right to know that you may not be the ideal choice, but you are the best they may be able to get given their ability to see a doctor. You may still be on legal thin-ice. What I mentioned may be protective, but the best protection is to not get into the situation in the first place.

You may also want to consult a child-psychiatrist if you are in the above situation. E.g. the patient sees a child psychiatrist, but after the person is stabilized, you can be utilized to take over the stabilization. This would require some interplay between you and the child psychiatrist, and some child psychiatrists may not be willing to do this.
 
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Medicolegally you should never prescribe without a good faith physical exam.

Most physicians will also limit what they prescribe to their "scope of practice," meaning if you're a pain doc, you prescribe pain meds. Of course there's exceptions. Some psychiatrists may prescribe viagra for ssri induced impotence, others feel it's murky.
 
I'm currently in a situation where I have several patients with chronic pain and their doctors are only treating it with opioids.

Very very few of them tried a SNRI, and/or a seizure med known to reduce pain (e.g. Neurontin or Tegretol) and the patient is now an opioid dependent/addict or well on the road to being one.

I've started a lot of these patients on an SNRI and Neurontin because after talking to the "pain management" doctor (I'm putting in quotations because I'm not sure the doctor even really has expertise in that area), I've come to the realization that this doctor will continue the opioid route without concern for addiction and tolerance of an opioid.

Is this area psychiatric? Yes and no. Pain does make psychiatric conditions such as depression and anxiety worse. An SNRI is well within the bounds of psychiatry. As for Neurontin, the data that is has psychiatric benefits is not very much though there is data showing it does treat anxiety, insomnia, and prevents relapse in those with an alcohol use disorder. I chose to take the step and treat it out of the frustration of knowing that my patient, who IMHO deserved better care, is not going to get it from their other doctor. I only continiued the Neuronin if the patient said they got a specific benefit from it. Most of my patients do get a benefit, and with that benefit, their psychiatric issues are improved.


(No Neurontin does not treat bipolar disorder. Show me a double-blinded placebo controlled study that it does and I'll change my opinion. Despite this, several psychiatrists give it out claiming it treats bipolar disorder.)