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This point was brought up in another discussion but never really addressed. What is the difference between a fellowship and a residency? Everyone always hears about the residency but the fellowship is less known I think. How do the hours differ? How does the pay differ? How long do fellowships generally last? Anyone with any insight would be appreciated.
 
A fellowship is a continued specialization in a field. Example is a 3-4 year residency in internal medicine and that is followed up by a fellowship in cardiology for a few more years.
 
I know that much, but how about hours? pay? process to get into a fellowship?
 
I think you might be posting in the wrong group. This is the the pre-allopathic group and since fellowships are after residencies you might want to post this in the general residency forum. You might get a better response there.

Here are some things I found though.

A ERAS fellowship manual from the aamc website

http://www.aamc.org/students/erasfellow/support/manual.htm

and an old thread I found through a search option in the general residencies area of SDN.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49492&highlight=fellowships
 
My understanding is that being a fellow (or staying on for a year as chief, or doing post-doctoral research) pays about 50K a year, give or take for geographical variation in cost-of-living. The thing is, that since you're a doctor and the workload is typically lighter than residency, you can moonlight if you need the extra money. Also, some programs might include loan repayment benefits, esp. if you negociate with them. The thing is, cardiologists and gastroenterologists make so much more than internists that it usually pays rich dividends to do a fellowship in one of these areas. Of course, other fellowships, like endocrinology or nephrology, don't really increase your expected earnings, but they give you the option of practicing a different kind of medicine that may appeal to you more.
 
So let's say you want to be a neurosurgeon or a CT surgeon. You begin with a residency in general surgery. Then is your specialized training in neuro or cardiac surgery considered an additional residency or is it a fellowship? Anyone know?
 
Originally posted by trudub
So let's say you want to be a neurosurgeon or a CT surgeon. You begin with a residency in general surgery. Then is your specialized training in neuro or cardiac surgery considered an additional residency or is it a fellowship? Anyone know?

neural surgery is a residency...and a damned competitive one at that...think AOA or MD/PhD or father who is in same field. At some point you may be considered a fellow, but except for your internship year in general surgery you're in neurosurg. the whole time...in other words you only need to match once.

CT surgery is a fellowship after a residency in general surgery.
 
i really wish someone who knew something would post to this thread, i'm just a drunken college kid who is posting here because i'm bored, I actually have no idea about any of this stuff...
 
Originally posted by ewing
i really wish someone who knew something would post to this thread, i'm just a drunken college kid who is posting here because i'm bored, I actually have no idea about any of this stuff...

info from drunken college kid better than no info at all.😀
 
Fellowships are basically just a continuation of residency, but in a more specialized field. There's not a whole lot of difference between the two as far as work hours, pay, etc. A fellowship usually lasts anywhere between 1-3 years, depending on the specialty. There is a huge amount of variability as far as how many hours fellows work. In some specialties, such as cardiology or GI, fellows may pull longer hours than residents. In other specialties, like endocrinology or rheumatology, the hours are pretty much 8-5.

Fellows are paid more than residents, but not by much. At most hospitals, pay is based on what post-graduate year you are, so that interns (ie PGY-1), are paid the lowest salary. Pay raises are approximately $1000-2000 per PGY year. A first year fellow in a specialty in internal medicine (a 3 year residency), will be condisered a PGY-4, which is one year ahead of a senior resident in internal medicine, so will make about $2000 more than 3rd year residents at that hospital.

The process to get into a fellowship is similar to that getting into a residency. You typically apply during your last year of residency, but in some specialties, you apply during your second-to-last year. The app is the same thing as with residency -- you apply to whichever hospitals you are interested in, you do interviews, etc.

I can't be too much more specific than the above because fellowships are so variable depending on the specialty, but I hope this helps.
 
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