Finch University on AMCAS?

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I submitted my AMCAS application yesterday, finally. I was looking for Finch Medical school and I could not find it. I know they are affiliated with AMCAS because "The Complete book of medical schools" published by TPR says so.

Do they go under a different name. I looked many times through the list and could not find it. Anyone?
 
Rosalind Franklin College of Medicine. Rosalind Franklin as the one who was really going to find DNA before that pompous dingus Watson and his majordomo Crick.
 
Angry Guy said:
Rosalind Franklin College of Medicine. Rosalind Franklin as the one who was really going to find DNA before that pompous dingus Watson and his majordomo Crick.

Relax, guy! I actually heard she was pretty unbearable herself!

-tx
 
originally posted by angryguy
"Rosalind Franklin College of Medicine. Rosalind Franklin as the one who was really going to find DNA before that pompous dingus Watson and his majordomo Crick"


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That's funny.

Thank you guys.
 
Angry Guy said:
Rosalind Franklin College of Medicine. Rosalind Franklin as the one who was really going to find DNA before that pompous dingus Watson and his majordomo Crick.


RF, Watson and Crick didn't "find" DNA, as I'm sure you know. They were responsible for solving the 3D structure of DNA. I'll post this for those that don't understand who RF and what her contribution to science was.

****EDIT*****

This was supposed to be here before. It might clear up some confusion.

Pioneer Molecular Biologist
There is probably no other woman scientist with as much controversy surrounding her life and work as Rosalind Franklin. Franklin was responsible for much of the research and discovery work that led to the understanding of the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA. The story of DNA is a tale of competition and intrigue, told one way in James Watson's book The Double Helix, and quite another in Anne Sayre's study, Rosalind Franklin and DNA. James Watson, Francis Crick, and Maurice Wilkins received a Nobel Prize for the double-helix model of DNA in 1962, four years after Franklin's death at age 37 from ovarian cancer.

Franklin excelled at science and attended one of the few girls' schools in London that taught physics and chemistry. When she was 15, she decided to become a scientist. Her father was decidedly against higher education for women and wanted Rosalind to be a social worker. Ultimately he relented, and in 1938 she enrolled at Newnham College, Cambridge, graduating in 1941. She held a graduate fellowship for a year, but quit in 1942 to work at the British Coal Utilization Research Association, where she made fundamental studies of carbon and graphite microstructures. This work was the basis of her doctorate in physical chemistry, which she earned from Cambridge University in 1945.

After Cambridge, she spent three productive years (1947-1950) in Paris at the Laboratoire Central des Services Chimiques de L'Etat, where she learned X-ray diffraction techniques. In 1951, she returned to England as a research associate in John Randall's laboratory at King's College, London.

It was in Randall's lab that she crossed paths with Maurice Wilkins. She and Wilkins led separate research groups and had separate projects, although both were concerned with DNA. When Randall gave Franklin responsibility for her DNA project, no one had worked on it for months. Wilkins was away at the time, and when he returned he misunderstood her role, behaving as though she were a technical assistant. Both scientists were actually peers. His mistake, acknowledged but never overcome, was not surprising given the climate for women at the university then. Only males were allowed in the university dining rooms, and after hours Franklin's colleagues went to men-only pubs.

But Franklin persisted on the DNA project. J. D. Bernal called her X-ray photographs of DNA, "the most beautiful X-ray photographs of any substance ever taken." Between 1951 and 1953 Rosalind Franklin came very close to solving the DNA structure. She was beaten to publication by Crick and Watson in part because of the friction between Wilkins and herself. At one point, Wilkins showed Watson one of Franklin's crystallographic portraits of DNA. When he saw the picture, the solution became apparent to him, and the results went into an article in Nature almost immediately. Franklin's work did appear as a supporting article in the same issue of the journal.

A debate about the amount of credit due to Franklin continues. What is clear is that she did have a meaningful role in learning the structure of DNA and that she was a scientist of the first rank. Franklin moved to J. D. Bernal's lab at Birkbeck College, where she did very fruitful work on the tobacco mosaic virus. She also began work on the polio virus. In the summer of 1956, Rosalind Franklin became ill with cancer. She died less than two years later.
 
paranitroxide said:
originally posted by angryguy
"Rosalind Franklin College of Medicine. Rosalind Franklin as the one who was really going to find DNA before that pompous dingus Watson and his majordomo Crick"


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That's funny.

Thank you guys.

You should be alerted to this before you apply to Rosalind Franklin/Finch/Chicago Medical School:
http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/printStory.pl?news_id=12845

Read into this as you wish.

Jason
 
Angry Guy said:
Rosalind Franklin College of Medicine. Rosalind Franklin as the one who was really going to find DNA before that pompous dingus Watson and his majordomo Crick.


Er, not quite. She had done the xray crystallography that showed that the structure could be a double helix, she gave the information to Watson/Crick who showed that a double-helix would work.

Unfotunately, being a woman, she wouldn't ge the recognition she deserved at the time (50 years ago, last April), if she announced it.

People complain that Finch changed their name because of their poor reputation, I'm glad that Rosalind Franklin (who died of cervical cancer in the late '50's, while in her 30's, iirc) is recognized this way. Too little, and way to late.
 
flighterdoc said:
Er, not quite. She had done the xray crystallography that showed that the structure could be a double helix, she gave the information to Watson/Crick who showed that a double-helix would work.

Unfotunately, being a woman, she wouldn't ge the recognition she deserved at the time (50 years ago, last April), if she announced it.

People complain that Finch changed their name because of their poor reputation, I'm glad that Rosalind Franklin (who died of cervical cancer in the late '50's, while in her 30's, iirc) is recognized this way. Too little, and way to late.

My comments were tongue-in-cheek, my friends. I had no intentions of turning this into a historical lesson.

It's very premedish to follow-up on someone's post with a sort of, "ACTUALLY...." I hate my lot.
 
Jason110 said:
You should be alerted to this before you apply to Rosalind Franklin/Finch/Chicago Medical School:
http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/printStory.pl?news_id=12845

Read into this as you wish.

Jason

I heard from an alum that the main reason the school got put on probation was because of excessive tuition increases. Hopefully they'll get their act together and those applying this year will see lower tuition rates than in the past.
 
flighterdoc said:
Er, not quite. She had done the xray crystallography that showed that the structure could be a double helix, she gave the information to Watson/Crick who showed that a double-helix would work.

Unfotunately, being a woman, she wouldn't ge the recognition she deserved at the time (50 years ago, last April), if she announced it.

People complain that Finch changed their name because of their poor reputation, I'm glad that Rosalind Franklin (who died of cervical cancer in the late '50's, while in her 30's, iirc) is recognized this way. Too little, and way to late.

I was under the impression that she had two different sets of crystallography data, and she worked on one, while Watson and Crick were interested in the other, which ultimately turned out to predict a double helix. If she did not die, I find it hard to believe she would not have been part of the group that won the Nobel prize. Also, Watson was the one who figured out the A-T C-G base pairing...not a small part of the puzzle.
 
FaytlND said:
I was under the impression that she had two different sets of crystallography data, and she worked on one, while Watson and Crick were interested in the other, which ultimately turned out to predict a double helix. If she did not die, I find it hard to believe she would not have been part of the group that won the Nobel prize. Also, Watson was the one who figured out the A-T C-G base pairing...not a small part of the puzzle.


Chargaff figured out that there HAD to be the A-T/C-G pairing when he discovered equal quantities of the pair components. Pauling discovered that some molecules had a helical shape. Watson & Crick put it all together.

Franklin may have received the prize as well, but she had a poor working relationship with Wilkins (who got the prize), while she was both the chemist, and the expert in x-ray crystallography, Wilkins is the one who thought of x-raying DNA to check it's structure. Franklin is the one who actually did the very delicate (at that time) crystallography.

http://www.chemheritage.org/EducationalServices/chemach/ppb/cwwf.html
 
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