First Aid Step 1

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Doctor W

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Hey guys
I am expected to take step 1 in 2018. Is it fine to use the 2016 version for it? The reason being is that I want to follow my lectures which start this year with the book.
Thank you
 
You're starting wayyyy too early, that said

You should start with the 2016 so you can follow with your classwork. Then spend the 50 or whatever bucks on the new ones as they do change things from year to year. Study coordinator of my school keeps track of changes between FA and finds 100s of additions/subtractions/corrections year to year.
 
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So what you are saying is that you haven't matriculated, you don't matriculate until July/August, and you are wondering what version of FA you should use?

Oh yeah he knows we know everyone knows he is gunner supreme
 
So what you are saying is that you haven't matriculated, you don't matriculate until July/August, and you are wondering what version of FA you should use?
I am matriculating in May not July/August. Since I start next month, I want to have time to buy the book .
 
I am matriculating in May not July/August. Since I start next month, I want to have time to buy the book .

Yeah don't know your exact curriculum but unless you guys jump right into pathology you wont really have much use for it until second year. I mean feel free to peruse it but you'll get far better use from Netters, BRS physio, etc etc
 
You're starting wayyyy too early, that said

You should start with the 2016 so you can follow with your classwork. Then spend the 50 or whatever bucks on the new ones as they do change things from year to year. Study coordinator of my school keeps track of changes between FA and finds 100s of additions/subtractions/corrections year to year.

Literally hundreds
 
Yeah don't know your exact curriculum but unless you guys jump right into pathology you wont really have much use for it until second year. I mean feel free to peruse it but you'll get far better use from Netters, BRS physio, etc etc

So specifically, what resources would say are most useful first year. You gave Netter's and BRS physio but then said etc etc. Also I searched and there's a few different "Netter's" subject materials, which were you referring to? (sorry, I'm new to this; would rather look the fool now than to waste time trying to figure it out later)
 
So specifically, what resources would say are most useful first year. You gave Netter's and BRS physio but then said etc etc. Also I searched and there's a few different "Netter's" subject materials, which were you referring to? (sorry, I'm new to this; would rather look the fool now than to waste time trying to figure it out later)

Anatomy - Netter's Atlas of Anatomy, Rohen's, Acland videos, and UMich anatomy website for questions

Biochem - BRS, Lippincott, and/or Rapid Review

Phys - BRS (aka Skinny Linda), Costanzo Physiology (aka Fat Linda), and Guyton and Hall review/question book

Neuro anatomy - Haines atlas

If micro is part of 1st year - Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple, and/or Sketchy Medical

Embryology - ??? I just brute forced it with lectures but wish I had found an outside source, so not sure what to recommend. Some people in my class really liked High Yield Embryo. Edit - I discovered the Kaplan videos while studying for step, wish I would've known about them 1st year.

Immunology - Abbas; a lot of people also recommend How the Immune System Works

Path (not needed until 2nd year unless path is integrated with phys) - Pathoma or Goljan Rapid Review and Robbins Review of Path for questions

Pharm (likely not needed until 2nd year) - Sketchy Medical and Kaplan pharm videos

UpToDate is awesome if your school has a PBL type curriculum and you have to do presentations
 
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Anatomy - Netter's Atlas of Anatomy, Rohen's, Acland videos, and UMich anatomy website for questions

Biochem - BRS, Lippincott, and/or Rapid Review

Phys - BRS (aka Skinny Linda), Costanzo Physiology (aka Fat Linda), and Guyton and Hall review/question book

Neuro anatomy - Haines atlas

If micro is part of 1st year - Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple, and/or Sketchy Medical

Embryology - ??? I just brute forced it with lectures but wish I had found an outside source, so not sure what to recommend. Some people in my class really liked High Yield Embryo

Immunology - Abbas; a lot of people also recommend How the Immune System Works

Path (not needed until 2nd year unless path is integrated with phys) - Pathoma or Goljan Rapid Review and Robbins Review of Path for questions

UpToDate is awesome if your school has a PBL type curriculum and you have to do presentations

Brilliant! Thank you for that
 
This is the problem. Modern medical students focused only on boards and not really learning the material the right way and blowing off clinical skills. We are training board takers and not doctors these days.
I hope they make step 1 pass/fail.
 
This is the problem. Modern medical students focused only on boards and not really learning the material the right way and blowing off clinical skills. We are training board takers and not doctors these days.
I hope they make step 1 pass/fail.

Please provide examples of learning the material the right way contrasted with learning for the boards. This is a common false dichotomy.
 
Sure.

Learning for the boards: Using only review books, focusing on topics that are in First Aid/"high yield", blowing off classes/lectures that are not "board relevant"
Learning the right way: Not using review texts until you're learned the material from lecture/books in broad first, focusing on clinical lectures/skills/classes

That's in brief.
 
Sure.

Learning for the boards: Using only review books, focusing on topics that are in First Aid/"high yield", blowing off classes/lectures that are not "board relevant"
Learning the right way: Not using review texts until you're learned the material from lecture/books in broad first, focusing on clinical lectures/skills/classes

That's in brief.

How do you know that your right way is superior?
 
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This is the problem. Modern medical students focused only on boards and not really learning the material the right way and blowing off clinical skills. We are training board takers and not doctors these days.
I hope they make step 1 pass/fail.

Clinical skills are distinct from classroom skills, regardless of whether students study for boards or in-house exams.
 
Clinical skills are distinct from classroom skills, regardless of whether students study for boards or in-house exams.

Agreed but students "blow off" clinical skills because it's not "board relevant." I've been seeing it first-hand with medical students the last 3-4 years.
 
This is the problem. Modern medical students focused only on boards and not really learning the material the right way and blowing off clinical skills. We are training board takers and not doctors these days.
I hope they make step 1 pass/fail.
There are A LOT of issues with medical education. 99% of the problems are a product of the system.
 
This is the problem. Modern medical students focused only on boards and not really learning the material the right way and blowing off clinical skills. We are training board takers and not doctors these days.
I hope they make step 1 pass/fail.

I have no intentions of eschewing clinical skills. I've worked in patient care for the last few years and I'm well aware of it's importance. I'm just trying to give myself the security of being able to practice in whatever capacity I see fit that will provide the largest impact to the community I want to reach.

I understand your point lies in the whole process of how students are gaining this security but not all students are the bushy-tailed, bright-eyed, narrow-view youngsters who lack a holistic outlook
 
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I have no intentions of eschewing clinical knowledge. I've worked in patient care for the last few years and I'm well aware of it's importance. I'm just trying to give myself the security of being able to practice in whatever capacity I see fit that will provide the largest impact to the community I want to reach.

I understand your point lies in the whole process of how students are gaining this security but not all students are the bushy-tailed, bright-eyed, narrow-view youngsters that need to get a clue.

I'm glad you have the right mindset. I wasn't picking on you personally really, just wanted to point out a flaw in the modern system
 
If you don't track down and purchase the 2018 version from Day 1 of your classes in 2016, you're doomed and won't pass Step 1.
 
I'm glad you have the right mindset. I wasn't picking on you personally really, just wanted to point out a flaw in the modern system

Thieme's Anatomy Text touches on this in the preface. They claim the dawn of systems curriculums ended the days of poring over textbooks. Physiology day 1, pathology day 2 instead of physiology for several weeks in a row makes textbook reading stunted. Unsure if I agree with that. At any rate, much of the clinical material I've been presented with seemed useless to me not specifically because of it was "low yield", but because the lack of repetition before 3rd year almost ensures that I won't remember it anyway.

That exam question I had in January about ideal glucose levels for ICU patients was a waste of my time since it would never be remembered in the first place.

Hey guys
I am expected to take step 1 in 2018. Is it fine to use the 2016 version for it? The reason being is that I want to follow my lectures which start this year with the book.
Thank you

What kind of curriculum will you be having? I'm happy to go in-depth if I know more about your situation.

Edit: I didn't realize that this was a bumped thread, sorry about that.
 
Thieme's Anatomy Text touches on this in the preface. They claim the dawn of systems curriculums ended the days of poring over textbooks. Physiology day 1, pathology day 2 instead of physiology for several weeks in a row makes textbook reading stunted. Unsure if I agree with that. At any rate, much of the clinical material I've been presented with seemed useless to me not specifically because of it was "low yield", but because the lack of repetition before 3rd year almost ensures that I won't remember it anyway.

That exam question I had in January about ideal glucose levels for ICU patients was a waste of my time since it would never be remembered in the first place.



What kind of curriculum will you be having? I'm happy to go in-depth if I know more about your situation.

Edit: I didn't realize that this was a bumped thread, sorry about that.
It's only bumped from the past month, and OP won't have started yet, so your comment is still 100% timely!