First ER rotation - 3rd year

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I'm about to start my first EM rotation as a third year (it's part of our curriculum). EM is at the top of my choices right now in terms of a career specialty and as such, want to look good on the rotation. I was wondering if you guys could give me some feedback as to what you are looking for in a medical student in the ER (other than to not annoy you...haha).

I'm getting nervous!

Thanks everyone
 
See the patients. Know the patients.
HAVE A PLAN of what you want to do with your patients.


(Try doing a quick up to date while we're seeing other patients)
 
Hey anxiousadd.

I am not a resident but also had an ER rotation as an MSIII. I can tell you what worked for me.

1. Don't get in over your head. Usually students are not sent in to see patients that going to crump immediately. However, it is not always easy to predict. If the patient looks like they are circling the drain, if their vital signs are note stable, tell someone immediately. You can always go back in and get the H&P.
2. Know your patients inside and out.
3. Read as much as you can- about your patients and about disease in general.
4. Review books such as Pocket EM, Baby Tintinalli are helpful. Reading the chapters on cards and pulmonary in Step Up medicine can also be helpful.
 
I agree with everything vtucci said - especially the recognizing an unstable patient. At my first EM rotation even as MS4s we were not allowed to pick up emergent patients, but sometimes people were mistriaged. Attendings/residents will understand if you come over and say, "I have a 29 year-old female with a missed period, nausea, vomiting, and a peritoneal belly. Can we put in orders for IVF and draw some labs before I finish the H&P?" You'll especially look like a rockstar if you add, "Can we give her 4 of morphine IV? She has no medication allergies."
 
I agree with everything vtucci said - especially the recognizing an unstable patient. At my first EM rotation even as MS4s we were not allowed to pick up emergent patients, but sometimes people were mistriaged. Attendings/residents will understand if you come over and say, "I have a 29 year-old female with a missed period, nausea, vomiting, and a peritoneal belly. Can we put in orders for IVF and draw some labs before I finish the H&P?" You'll especially look like a rockstar if you add, "Can we give her 4 of morphine IV? She has no medication allergies."

You'll look even better if you put some Zofran in there, too. If she's already puking, some morphine will make it that much worse.
 
All above good advice. In addition, I'd add:

-never stand around watching someone write a chart...always seek out learning opportunities (remember, you're paying for big $$ for your education)--whether its seeing new patients, printing out an article, reading a pocket text, examining someone else's interesting patient, watching the consultant specialist work up a patient, etc..

-read on your patients, read on common pathology, follow up on the hospital course of the patients you admitted.

-if you're unconfortable with something (ie. abg, etc.) ASK for help...nobody should frown on this...doing something you are uncomfortable with could be dangerous.

-don't be afraid to ask for a 10 minute lunch break.

-introduce yourself to ALL the people you're working with (especially nurses, techs).

-have fun.

-ask for feedback at the end of a shift.

-some skills you should take away from this rotation include: focused history, focused presentation, development of the differential (remember, always think "worst first"), developing a plan with a reasonable disposition (ie. discharge home, admit to floor/unit, etc.), procedures (ie. lac repairs, ABGs, etc.)
 
My rules for medical students . . .

1. Don't pick up two charts at a time. And don't ever present two patients to me at a time. One at a time is the rule. You are not there to move the meat. One patient every 1-2 hours is good enough. Capping off at 3 is enough.

2. Said already, but don't stand around next to the resident twiddling your fingers. They'll feel like they have a shadow and that you are not motivated. Find things to do, be active and moving around.

3. Don't take more than 10 minutes in a room, especially if the time is slow and the resident is waiting for you to come out. Learn to move quick, pick out the pertinent things, and redirect your patients. Go back and fill in the gaps if you need to later. The exam and history is perfected and completed on multiple reexaminations. The initial exam is to pick up the major history, organ systems, and develop a sense of direction. There are exceptions.

3. When the shift ends, don't ask to leave or give the impression that you want to leave. Patients still need to be wrapped up and if you have nothing go find something to do.

4. Keep presentations short, pertinent, and sweet. Don't belay me with the internal medicine H & P. I promise I my attention span will only remember 1/4 of what you say and we will be interrupted every 30 seconds.

5. Learn to give a Emergency medicine DDX. Approach your differential diagnosis with the worse stuff first. If you doubt it, say it anyway and then say why you don't think it is. Never be the medical student who always gives DDX such as gastroenterities, food poisoning, muscle aches. This may very well be the case but make sure you covered the bad things first and let the attending know you thought it.

6. Cherry Pick. Take things that will be straight forward. Do not pick up disaster charts such as the guy you know who has fifty medical problems and is here because he has chest pain, back pain, nose pain, testicle pain. You can only mess yourself up big time. If you are daring go ahead, but don't blame me when the case turns out to be non-educational.

7. Don't make me look up results, and pull up images, and tell you what is going on with the patient. You do it. If I get the labs and dispo the patient and you come along 30 minutes later asking me what happened, That is bad form. If the pt seizes, poohs blood, has chest pain, or is SOB, you should be the first one to know it and then should be telling me.

8. Help the RNs draw blood, hook up the patient to the monitor, place foleys, transport if needed. Be the first on to offer the pt. a blanket, ice chips if okay, and talk with the family. You're not an idiot, you won't say something stupid I should hope.
 
Thanks everyone! I welcome all advice!
 
you've had great advice so far.

mistakes I have seen made:
- trying not to disturb a patient who is in fact unresponsive. "He's just drunk" is not an excuse not to keep re-examining a patient. You need to get this information. The first time you go in the room, do what needs to be done - try to wake the patient up with voice, loud voice, tapping on shoulder, sternal rub if you have to. You will look kinda silly if you go back and say "He was asleep, so I didn't get much of a physical exam." no, do it!

- getting the H&P but not the physical exam. I've even seen 4th year students do this. "She said she had leg pain" "What was the leg exam like?" "I dunno, I haven't learned how to do a leg exam yet." That's a little sad. At least look at the body part in question, palpate it, give it a range of motion. You don't need to 'learn' how to do that.

so in summary, before you leave the room, just ask yourself "did I do a good HPI (CODIERS, you want a level 5 chart with all the HPI elements and a quick fire review of systems that hits 10 systems), did I do a good exam including specific exams of whatever is related to the patient's complaint - i.e. do that rectal if the pt is complaining of blood in stool, do I have at least 3 DDx items starting with most life threatening DDx possibilities? That ought to start you off well.

- I would reiterate what the previous poster said about pushing to make sure your patients get pain relief and anti-emetics as soon as possible. I know it is a bit frustrating when you are a student and can't write orders, but making your patients comfortable is important and you don't want to leave them writhing on the bed while you go through a long presentation or barfing their guts out.

hope I don't sound too harsh, I am really nice to medical students but you don't wanna be the one making rookie mistakes. 🙂 any further questions just ask.
 
thanks so much for all the input, these are invaluable tips
 
I got the impression that asking for a food break was a big no-no. Try carrying snacks in your pocket.

tink,

i agree here with you. it's generally understood that, unless a break is offered to you (and even then, i personally would deny it, but that's just me 😀 ), you don't mention it.

if the physicians don't take official breaks to eat (and their schedules are, realistically, much, much more demanding), you shouldn't either.
 
of course, when in rome..... but, in my opinion if a student is doing a long shift...there is no shame in taking a BRIEF break to eat and recharge---it will probably make you more productive for the remainder of your shift...but if this is not the culture at your institution, then cliff bars and a foley catheter w/a leg bag may be the way to go...
 
I got the impression that asking for a food break was a big no-no. Try carrying snacks in your pocket.

It's really dependent on the senior person. I learned from Andy Jagoda at Mt. Sinai - everyone gets a meal break. That's what I did when I was in charge as an EM resident, and that's what I do now as an attending (even if I don't get a chance to eat for myself).
 
of course, when in rome..... but, in my opinion if a student is doing a long shift...there is no shame in taking a BRIEF break to eat and recharge---it will probably make you more productive for the remainder of your shift...but if this is not the culture at your institution, then cliff bars and a foley catheter w/a leg bag may be the way to go...

I've been in a number of EDs, and it's varied from "Everyone MUST take a break" to "Break? Huh?" I don't really mind not getting a break too much, as long as it's busy. If it's quiet, then it's no issue. In the end, South Beach bars, trail mix, a bottle of water, and change for the vending machine are best. That way if you do get slammed unexpectedly, you've got fuel for the furnace.
 
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