Fluoridation. What's in it for You???

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Dental students have been used in Oregon, Florida and California to promote fluoridation. Some speak at community events taking time away from residents opposed and some walk the streets delivering flyers.

What are you promised in return?

excerpts from: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/104413

Without science on their side, fluoridationists (usually the dental profession) use politics and slick costly public relations campaigns to win their battles, exploiting misinformed dental students as foot soldiers, maybe in return for better grades.

Case in point - Palo Alto, California.

The California Dental Association, joined by local dentists, spent $75,000 in their election day victory. Palo Alto is a community of approximately 61,200. Children in need could have many cavities filled for that amount of time and money spent promoting fluoridation.

Palo Alto Fluoridationists admit they were also helped with support by local legislators and newspapers, along with financial support and mailings from the California Dental Association. Thirty-four dental students were required to walk precincts.

About 45 dental students were also deployed in Palm Beach County, Florida, August 26, 2003, at a fluoridation meeting who sat in the back, and were handed cards with what they were to say, which in effect stated why they were in favor of fluoridation, according to someone who attended. Because there were so many of them, and they were allowed to speak first, residents opposed to fluoridation were deprived of a chance to speak.

Dental students were also used in Oregon.

While dentists play games with fluoridation, children are suffering. America?s oral health crises is due mostly to dentists? unwillingness to treat poor children for what Medicaid offers forcing the poor into emergency rooms for neglected and extensive care at taxpayers expense.

If dentistry doesn't change its focus, the dental profession is doomed to be know as "the leadership profession for bungalow solo private practices in the nation's suburbs," according to Edward O'Neil, M.P.A., Ph.D., Director,Center for the Health Professions.

Severe tooth decay is responsible for 2/3 of hospital visits by children under six in New York State, where almost 70% of the population drinks fluoridated water. New York City spends anywhere between $6 and $14 million annually on water fluoridation. Yet more New York City children required cavity-related hospitalizations, proportionately, than two of New York State?s largest non-fluoridated counties, Suffolk and Nassau, whether payment was made by Medicaid or privately.

National Medicaid costs for hospital treatment of early childhood cavities are between $100 to $200 million annually.

Even the oral health of the elderly is in a state of decay, according to Oral Health America, largely because of older Americans inability to pay for dental care.

Dentists claim that preventing one cavity over a lifetime through water fluoridation may save $42, but not filling another cavity may cost $12,199 to the taxpayers in emergency room care.

Over one-third of the U.S. population lack dental insurance and 7 million of them need dental care. In some high-risk populations, such as Native Americans, two-thirds have unmet dental needs. DK Benn in the Journal of Dental Education, October 2003, suggests that, if dentists don?t start accepting more Medicaid patients, then allied dental providers should be allowed to work independently and break the dentists monopoly.

It?s understandable, that dentists may owe upwards of $100,000 and more in student loans along with costly family and office expenses, and most can?t afford to be charitable. But, incredibly, dentists are willing to spend vast amounts of time and private and public money on fluoridation. Fluoridation gives the illusion dentistry cares about the poor without, actually, solving America?s oral health crisis.


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Two-thirds of elementary school chldren and Thirty-three percent of preschoolers, living in San Francisco, fluoridated since 1954, had cavities, many untreated, in a 1996/97 survey revealing cavity prevalence in San Francisco is similar to the rest of California, mostly non-fluoridated at the time of the survey.

Yet San Francisco reportedly will spend $2,500,000 on a new or updated fluoridation facility. At the same time San Francisco sells non-fluoridated bottled water and brags that their Mayor and Water Department employees drink the bottled. holdSessionater.org/detail.cfm/MSC_ID/72/MTO_ID/106/MC_ID/5/C_ID/1400/holdSession/1
 
Please, please, <em>please</em> don't take the bait, people. He's got 11 posts (as of this writing), and ten previous entries came from an identical thread a month or so ago. He's nothing but a lawyer who has absolutely zero training or knowledgeability in dentistry or any other scientific discipline. He's dumb and harmless; just let the thread die.
 
too long; didnt read
 
How was everyones day?

Mine was ok. We have a wax up practical tomorrow...#9

I hated waxing up at first and now I love it 😍
 
Waxups are fun...wait till you start using your handpieces.

Now that's fun!
 
Man, waxing blows 😛 We did 8 waxups in tooth morph, and now we're doing gnathology (occlusion), where we have to grind down 2nd premolar-1st molar-2nd molar, and then recreate the occlusal anatomy, complete with even, accurate occlusion (four-color waxing sucks! Argh!). We turned our first project in today...we'll see how it turns out.

Pheta- Have you started operative yet? We're doing handpiece exercises, and some other ancillary stuff like basic radiographic interpretation, rubber dam fitting, etc. I'm looking forward--I think--to spending three afternoons a week placing direct restorations next semester 😀
 
Originally posted by Brocnizer2007
How was everyones day?

Mine was ok. We have a wax up practical tomorrow...#9

I hated waxing up at first and now I love it 😍

Broc,

I had a pretty good day. Didn't do much though, The Heat finally won...
 
Originally posted by aphistis
Man, waxing blows 😛 We did 8 waxups in tooth morph, and now we're doing gnathology (occlusion), where we have to grind down 2nd premolar-1st molar-2nd molar, and then recreate the occlusal anatomy, complete with even, accurate occlusion (four-color waxing sucks! Argh!). We turned our first project in today...we'll see how it turns out.

Pheta- Have you started operative yet? We're doing handpiece exercises, and some other ancillary stuff like basic radiographic interpretation, rubber dam fitting, etc. I'm looking forward--I think--to spending three afternoons a week placing direct restorations next semester 😀

We're in occlusion now. We've done 8 waxups for anatomy (incisors to molars, yeah...they're tough but I like em). We also have operative now. So far all we've done is rubber damn fittings and cavity preps on ivorine teeth. Fun stuff, but I'm still getting used to using a mirror on the maxillary teeth. The loupes help tremdously though.

All I have to say about the lab part of school is it's great! I'd love to have a whole week of non-didactic stuff like operative. Can't wait till we get into the clinic!
 
We just started gross anatomy a few days ago, and now I think I smell really bad. At least everyone keeps telling me that. We are using our handpieces for the first time tomorow on the corian block excercise. Fortunately, we are all done waxing, done biochem, and a few days away from finishing histology. Also, next week we goto the clinic for the first time to start probing one another. Its great to finally be learning "dentist" stuff and not spending so much time learning about enzymes and cells of the liver, etc.
 
sometimes i do wonder the relevance of biochem and all...i mean, it's GOOD that we learn that...but in clinical practice, do we seriously give THAT a thought?? prob might help in pharmacology though...😕
 
yeah, i've been wondering the same thing. As I sit here studying the muscles of the thorax I'm wondering to myself why exactly do I need to know so much more about the body that just the oral stuff? I mean, I understand why you would want to know the basics, because the whole body is one connected system, but do I really need to know all the enzymes involved in lipid breakdown, or every little muscle in the thorax? Is that really ever going to help me be a better dentist? Perhaps some of the more advanced students or dentists could shed some light on why we learn so much "stuff". And don't say "because it is on the boards," because that is the standard response of our professors when asked the relevance of what they are teaching.
 
I think the point of all of us learning biochem is to give us the background for research, if we ever want to pursue post-doc research.

But, I agree. I really don't see the clinical relations to biochemistry that aren't taught in all of our other courses.
 
Here they have clinical presentations in every class to link what we learn to dental settings.

For example: In bio chem we had a clinical case of G-6-P deficiency. So you needed to understand G-6-P and its pathways to really know how the disease worked and affected other parts of the body. So it was a link from the micro level to the macro level.

OK, so maybe you don't need a deep knowledge of the pathway. But hey it sure makes a good conversation at a party :laugh:
 
we had something similar as well. but chances are we don't really bother about thinking of the metabolic pathways in real life practice. unless you are required to explain it to someone, of which i doubt it would happen because chances are you might forget it after you've sat for your exam. however i think gross anatomy is important as it has more relevance in real clinical practice. for instance if you are supposed to give an injection in the gluteal region, you should know where to hit and not damaging the sciatic nerve or something like that...
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
But on a more serious note, we get out for Thanksgiving break in 2.5 hours (10:30 this morning).... yaaaaaaaaay!

WTF??? You lucky bastard! You get that long off for Turkey day?

MAN...we have exams next week, AND we have class till the Wed before Thanksgiving.
 
we have our first anatomy exam and practical next wendsday afternoon until 5pm!
 
drPheta,

You're a D'07? How are you finding freshman year? 🙂

Dr. Silvestri isn't being too hard on you guys is he? *grins*

... and I can't believe ItsGavinC and co. have Thanksgiving break *already*.

Goddamn it, I'm waiting so long to go back to Toronto for the break!


*Edited because I can't spell*
 
Yup, I'm a D'07.

Sylvestri's the man! He's got to be the most organized and best professor for the first semester. 1st year is good...so far.

Just finished Nutrition...never have to sit in that class again! WOO!

We have our 3rd exam block now, and I'm on SDN, heh.

What year are you?
 
*chuckles*

It could be worse. Back in first year, my roommate and I took off during the weekend before one of the exam blocks and skiied. *laughs*

I'm D'05.
 
Originally posted by Dante60
*chuckles*

It could be worse. Back in first year, my roommate and I took off during the weekend before one of the exam blocks and skiied. *laughs*

I'm D'05.

Hoot, that's an awesome idea! I'm serious, too. It's like the best warmup to an exam block ever.
 
In any case, if you ever have any questions or anything... I'm almost always on the 4th floor - group practice 5.

Hell, if you ever want to assist come on down. 🙂
 
A new study reveals pre-school children's tooth decay rates doubled after fluoridation became Kentucky law.

In 1987, 28% of Kentucky preschoolers developed cavities. That number increased to 47% in 2001, according to the July/August 2003 journal, "Pediatric Dentistry."(1)

Over 96% of Kentucky water systems add fluoride since a 1977 Kentucky law compelled water suppliers serving over 1,500 individuals to fluoridate, aimed to reduce tooth decay by up to 60%(2)(3). Fluoride supplements are prescribed to children without fluoridated water(3).

But cavities didn't decline at all. In fact, 57% of Kentucky third- and sixth-graders also developed tooth decay.

"...untreated decay and caries experience have increased since the state's 1987 survey. The state's levels also appear to be much worse than national levels for these same indices," concludes authors Hardison et al., summarizing "The 2001 Kentucky Children's Oral Health Survey..."

It turns out, these children need dentists more than fluoride. Forty-three percent of preschoolers suffered with festering teeth. "There are a lot of places, Appalachia being one, where kids do not always get the dental care that they need," said Jim Cecil, administrator of Oral Health Programs for the Kentucky Department of Public Health in an AP wire story(4). "Oral disease is reaching a crisis level for children across the country and here in Kentucky," he said.

A Kentucky dentist "shocked by a dramatic increase in the dental decay rate" found poor diet to be the culprit(5).

Besides water company expenses for fluoridation equipment, chemicals, housing, etc, surveillance, alone, cost Kentucky $350,000 yearly(2).

A reporter recently freely entered a Pennsylvania water treatment plant, unwatched for twenty minutes with toxic concentrations of fluoride chemicals unguarded(6). Fluoride is odorless and tasteless. An Alaskan man died when his community water supplier accidentally poured in too much fluoride(7).

"We must remove all fluoride chemicals from water plants before a disaster occurs. Obviously fluoridation isn't even reducing tooth decay. So why risk an incident?" says lawyer Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation.

Silicofluorides, used by over 91% of U.S. fluoridating communities are linked to children's higher blood-lead levels which, in turn, is linked to higher rates of tooth decay.(8)

Fluoride at doses slightly above dentists' recommendations can also cause cavities, according to Burt, Eklund, et al, in the dental textbook, "Dentist, Dental Practice, and the Community." (9)

Cavity crises occur in many fluoridated cities: http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof2/_pgg5.php3

More accidents: http://www.fluoridealert.org/accidents.htm




References

(1) Pediatric Dentistry 2003 Jul-Aug;25(4):365-72


The 2001 Kentucky Childrens Oral Health Survey: findings for children ages 24 to 59 months and their caregivers.

Hardison JD, Cecil JC, White JA, Manz M, Mullins MR, Ferretti GA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=13678102&dopt=Abstract

(2) Dental Public Health Activities & Practices, Oral Health Program, Kentucky Department of Health

http://www.astdd.org/bestpractices/pdf/DES20001KYfluoridationsurveillance.pdf

(3) "Kentucky's A Leader in Water Fluoridation; Celebrates National Children's Dental Health Month," February 6, 2003

http://chs.ky.gov/chs/news/newsreleases/2003/nr020603.doc

(4)The Associated Press
Monday 26 November 2001
"Dental Clinic Helps Rural Children"
http://www.fluoridealert.org/news/734.html

(5) "Are we failing in our public health mission?" by Sue Feeley

http://kdhc.org/healthcamp.htm


(6) Pittsburgh Tribune Review, "Chemical Plants Still Vulnerable," by Carl Prine, November 16, 2003

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/news/p_49388.html

(7) New England Journal of Medicine 1994 Jan 13, "Acute fluoride poisoning from a public water system,"
Gessner BD, Beller M, Middaugh JP, Whitford GM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8259189&dopt=Abstract

(8) http://www.enn.com/direct/display-release.asp?objid=D1D1364E000000F3D38279C8E77A5E55

(9) http://www.enn.com/direct/display-release.asp?objid=D1D1364E000000F3B58DC8CBA01A092E


Web site:

http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
<--- STILL enjoying break 😉

(But envious of those students working in the clinics).

Curse you, Gadget! Er, Gavin. Whatever.

Three more class days, then Thanksgiving. Then one more class week, two finals, then Christmas break. Ahh....Christmas break...
 
Boo. 3 days of class...4 days off...2 weeks of class...2 weeks off...back to class for eternity, so it seems.

Boo.
 
I hear you

We still have class on the 26th. I fly out afterclass on the 26th and fly back in on the 1st then fly back out dec 19th at 8p (bec we still have class 😡 ) then back jan4th

On top of that we have exams after both breaks so we have to study during the break.

I want more time!!!
 
Originally posted by Dante60
DrPheta,

Just wait until 2nd year. 🙂


Yeah, I hear eternity gets longer 2nd year. Double boo.
 
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