For LOR's, do they have to be from full professors?

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Will associate professors work? Are there any schools that require full professors?

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"Applicants attending colleges without premedical advisors or committees must send two letters of recommendation from senior faculty in science departments."

That's from Johns Hopkins' website. What does "senior faculty" mean?
 
Don't have to be. Better if they are.
 
Since no one did it yet:

Can you have a half professor?
 
hra87 said:
Will associate professors work? Are there any schools that require full professors?
Associate professors are professors in every sense of the word and their letters, if they write positive ones, stand just as much a chance of helping you as do ones from full professors. Once you move into the domain of professors of any kind, the quality and import of a letter depends much more on how well the writer knows you and esteems you as a scholar, student, or researcher than does the status of the letter writer (with exceptions made for a small number of extraordinary individuals).

For the majority of US colleges and universities, the hierarchy goes like this (be aware the terminology can vary widely, however, especially once you get into other countries' systems):

Assistant Professors: Recent Ph.D.s or at least recently hired into the department. Letters from assistant profs are perfectly fine. They are, after all, professors and that in and of itself is no small feat. Asst. profs usually have about 7 years to accumulate enough publications and other academic honors and service to be tenured. Once they are tenured, they are typically promoted to... (Note: if you're trying to get a letter from an asst. prof putting their tenure package together, buckle up, because they are almost certainly working balls to the wall and totally stressed out.)

Associate Professors: These are well established scholars with significant publications and many are quite well known (depending on how quickly they're rising through the ranks).

Full Professors: Actually there's a less siginificant difference between full and associate professors than there is between assistant and associate. Promotions from Associate to Full Professor status can vary according to the personal history of the individual in question, the department they're in, etc.

There are also other faculty positions whose presence and status can vary dramatically.

Visiting professors (whether asst., assoc., or full) are just that: people who are at the school temporarily and have been awarded a status comensurate, in the school's opinion, with their status. If you're going to get a letter from one of them, do it while they're on campus.

Lecturers: These are typically Ph.D.s who are hired (and re-hired) for specific periods of time but only to teach (usually lecturerships are not eligible for tenure). The value of their letters, much like those of profs, actually, derives from the fact that they usually have seen many students and have a solid basis for judging whether you're better than average.
 
MinnyGophers said:
Since no one did it yet:

Can you have a half professor?
Why did you have to bring that up?

poor Professor Mobutu.
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Haemulon said:
Don't forget "Professor Emeritus"
He was that talking chimp character from Planet of the Apes, right? His letters only help if you're applying to Dook. Plus it's my understanding his tenure was revoked when they found out his treatise on social grooming was self-published.
 
"Applicants attending colleges without premedical advisors or committees must send two letters of recommendation from senior faculty in science departments."

That's from Johns Hopkins' website. What does "senior faculty" mean?
 
My Bio teacher is writing me an LOR, but she isn't a PhD. Is that OK? She has a Master's Degree, but she teaches General Bio and we call her Ms. instead of Dr. Or is it expected all your LOR's will be from Dr's?
 
hra87 said:
"Applicants attending colleges without premedical advisors or committees must send two letters of recommendation from senior faculty in science departments."

That's from Johns Hopkins' website. What does "senior faculty" mean?
Generally speaking that means tenure track professors (assistant, associate, or full professors). But don't take my word for it. Ask them to be sure.
 
MedStudentWanna said:
My Bio teacher is writing me an LOR, but she isn't a PhD. Is that OK? She has a Master's Degree, but she teaches General Bio and we call her Ms. instead of Dr. Or is it expected all your LOR's will be from Dr's?
My guess is it depends (sorry, lame answer, I know). All things being equal, a letter from a prof with a Ph.D. would likely carry more weight and help you more. However, if she knows you better and is going to write you a very strong letter then that might override the fact that she's less well credentialed than some other writers who know you less well and might give you a more generic letter. It's important to be aware of explicit stipulations, like the one mentioned for Johns Hopkins in this thread, though.
 
hra87 said:
"Applicants attending colleges without premedical advisors or committees must send two letters of recommendation from senior faculty in science departments."

That's from Johns Hopkins' website. What does "senior faculty" mean?


Senior faculty generally refers to associate and full professors. If you really want to send a letter from an asst. professor or a non-tenure track professor, e-mail them and ask if that is alright. Also, if your college has a premedical advisor or committee, this doesn't even apply.
 
What about Lab Directors. Mine has been there for like 30 years. Is this a no-no?
 
Note: if you're trying to get a letter from an asst. prof putting their tenure package together, buckle up, because they are almost certainly working balls to the wall and totally stressed out.

QFT.

In re: lecturers and lab instructors. I'm of two minds - on the one hand, they aren't full faculty, and tend not to have the right initials (Post-hole Digger); on the other hand, I've written letters of recommendation as a lab instructor (for a pharmacy program), but I did have the magic initials.

Bottom line, I don't think it will kill you to do so, but to be safe, go higher in the department.
 
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