for something a little lighter...

[frozen_canadian]

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I got my hair cut today. The girl doing it asked what I was taking in school, etc, etc, and I mentioned that it was going to take me 7 years of school (3.5 to go!) until I had my DVM. At which point she said, 'well my friends in vet school and she graduates next year - its only taken her two years and she'll be 20 when she gets out.' Now obviously shes in tech school which I tried to explain to the girl, but she was adamant that her friend was going to be a vet. Aarrghh.....needless to say she didn't get a tip. 🙄
Anyway else experience something similar?

 

[LynnKat]

That gave me a good laugh, though I know how frustrating it is. My cousin is a tech and my grandmother insists that she's a vet, though I have patiently explained the difference about a hundred times. At least now she seems to think I'll be a more specialized kind of vet when I get out, so I just nod and agree with her that soon we might have two vets in the family.

I think she and my aunt are convinced that I must be a little slow to be in school so long for something Jessica did in only a few years!

 

[Joslin]

She was confused about the schooling process based on something a friend told her, so you didn't tip her? Nice. Um, I believe she still cut your hair right? Is tipping based on knowledge of the graduate school system? Do you quiz waitresses at the end of a meal and refuse to tip if they don't get at least 70%?

 

[frozen_canadian]

No, I didn't tip because she was arguing that it only took two years to become a vet, even after I explained the process to her. Her retort was 'well i still think you can do it in 2 years.' Also, she didn't do a very good job, and I think tipping people who cut your hair is ridiculous. Do you tip your mechanic/plumber/woman who sells you your clothes? No - but that is all another topic for another time.

 

[frozen_canadian]

Also - lay off on the sarcasm. You might be having a bad day but theres no need to bring it out here.

 

[gregMD]

Also - lay off on the sarcasm. You might be having a bad day but theres no need to bring it out here.

In a post you started in the pre-allo forum on 10-21-2005 you were asking people for advice on whether you should go to vet school or med school, stating that you were in pre-med, and considering transfering to pre-vet...

Now you saying that you're half way through your first year of vet school (as in you're going to have your DVM in 3.5 years)... What gives?? In october you're a pre-vet, and now you're half way through your first year?? I didn't know vet schools admit students in January...................


Maybe you should have tipped her after all, since you were LYING about being in vet school!!

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=235040

here's the link if you'd like to check......

 

[rdc]

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[johnnyb]

Also, she didn't do a very good job, and I think tipping people who cut your hair is ridiculous. Do you tip your mechanic/plumber/woman who sells you your clothes? No - but that is all another topic for another time.

Maybe when you are dictator of the world, you can change the societal norms that say that you tip the person who cuts your hair. In the meantime, consider the world we do live in where you are expected to tip in this situation. By not tipping anyone that most others do tip, you simply are just screwing over that person whose wages are lowered on the expectation that she will receive tips.

When tips are socially expected in a transaction, you are receiving a lower price for that good or service because of lower labor costs. You are not paying extra money by tipping. Rather, you are just paying the person differently. Mechanics, plumbers, etc. are paid on the basis of not receiving tips. When you do not tip a person expected to receive one--unless there's a good reason on a service basis not to--you are simply freeloading and ripping off the person providing you service.

 

[meyao]

Funny how "something a little lighter" has devolved into anything but...

Maybe you guys should end this thread before it gets really ugly.

 

[julieDVM]

I'm interested to see how this is going to play out!

 

[zufuss]

things get really weird on the internet sometimes.

 

[frozen_canadian]

Wow you guys are on the ball. Congrats on outing me. The truth is I did start out pre-med, changed my mind (against my very poor families wishes) and went to vet school instead. However, I've had second thoughts, as apparantly many people have. Therefore I posted that thread to try and get some real life feedback of other people that have made the switch or know of anyone that has - basically some sort of reassurance. So I did lie on that thread. You caught me. However i am a first year vet student, and you can believe that if you want to or not.
In terms of tipping for everything, i wasn't trying to start any sort of war here. Maybe things are different in the states, but I've never been asked to tip for a haircut before - and when it came up when she swiped by debit card I was somewhat offended given her attitude. Maybe thats because I'm just a simple country hick, who knows?

 

[HeartSong]

It seems to me that we tip in jobs where there is more interaction between the server and the customer. Waiter, hairdresser, taxi driver, anyone who carries luggage for you, delivery persons, etc. Whereas we don't tax those whose job has them directly interacting with us that much. With mechanics, electricians, plumbers etc, even though we are paying for their service rather than a product, we don't have much interaction. We just drop off our car or let them into our house.

I don't tip based on the quality of the haircut, food, etc, that's what I pay the bill for. If I want good quality, I generally go to where the bill is higher because higher quality "product" usually comes with a higher bill. I do tip based on the quality of attitude and service of the person who I am forced to interact with while I'm getting my "product" served to me. I don't want to eat with a rude waitress and I don't want my hair cut by a rude hairdresser. Whatever happened to the customer is always right? That should at least be the case in matters that aren't that important. I wouldn't have been too quick about tipping that person either. She sounds like she could get some better people manners. She should have backed down, said she would ask her friend about it again, or just changed the subject instead of telling a customer that they are wrong and pushing the point. That is rude.


Hey, there's a lot of interaction between client and veterinarian. I think vets should be tipped!!!!!

 

[vesper9]

🙄 wait until that "the client is always right" bites you in the ass as you're continually being asked to put animals to sleep simply b/c the client is a self-righteous dingus who doesn't want to be inconvenienced.


😍 thank you to all who really know why you should tip (i.e. waitresses getting below minimum wage, stylists having to rent out their chairs, cabbies having to pay a fee for driving their cab) and do so accordingly! Karma will take care of the rest of you.

 

[chickenboo]

🙄 wait until that "the client is always right" bites you in the ass as you're continually being asked to put animals to sleep simply b/c the client is a self-righteous dingus who doesn't want to be inconvenienced.

A client pulled that on an ER tech I know, who simply responded "Not in veterinary medicine." That's one reason to work emergency: you don't have to pander to the dingus clients. 🙂 Of course, I think that response would be perfectly reasonable in day practice too!

 

[Smilemaker100]

🙄 wait until that "the client is always right" bites you in the ass as you're continually being asked to put animals to sleep simply b/c the client is a self-righteous dingus who doesn't want to be inconvenienced.


😍 thank you to all who really know why you should tip (i.e. waitresses getting below minimum wage, stylists having to rent out their chairs, cabbies having to pay a fee for driving their cab) and do so accordingly! Karma will take care of the rest of you.

What the hell? Putting animals to sleep because owners don't want to be "inconvenienced"? What sort of "inconveniences"? Have they heard of the SPCA or even bothered trying to get their pet adopted by someone else? It wouldn't surprise me if these are the type of owners who have children and don't raise them well. I believe that the way you treat your pets reflects how you will parent your children.

I had a very hard time dealing with my dog's kidney failure about two years ago. We had the vet come to our house to put him down. We wouldn't have it otherwise. He was nearly 17 years old and had spent the last days of his life listeless, anorexic, unable to drink water and practically unable to stand up or open his eyes. The vet said he could have been placed on IV fluids but that would have just prolonged the inevitable.

I am disgusted by owners who put their healthy pets down because of "inconvenience". Yikes! 🙁 👎 It must be a big dilemna dealing with that when you're a vet!

 

[HeartSong]

HUGE difference in "customer is always right" and "customer is always right about something that doesn't really matter". If a customer tells me that their product if free because they had to wait in line for a long time. Uhh, they're wrong. If the customer tells me that their son is an astronaut and landed on Mars two weeks ago, then of course he did and that is just wonderful. What good is it going to do to tell them that they are stupid to think such crazy things? (And even if you don't say it directly, that is what you are saying if you try to correct them no matter how politely.) Customer service is severly lacking in the world today. For one thing, people get paid the same whether they are the kindest person in the world or the rudest. I believe in rewarding kindness and discouraging rudeness. But maybe I'm the only one.

 

[youthman]

HUGE difference in "customer is always right" and "customer is always right about something that doesn't really matter". If a customer tells me that their product if free because they had to wait in line for a long time. Uhh, they're wrong. If the customer tells me that their son is an astronaut and landed on Mars two weeks ago, then of course he did and that is just wonderful. What good is it going to do to tell them that they are stupid to think such crazy things? (And even if you don't say it directly, that is what you are saying if you try to correct them no matter how politely.) Customer service is severly lacking in the world today. For one thing, people get paid the same whether they are the kindest person in the world or the rudest. I believe in rewarding kindness and discouraging rudeness. But maybe I'm the only one.

No, you're not alone. 😉

 

[vesper9]

HUGE difference in "customer is always right" and "customer is always right about something that doesn't really matter". If a customer tells me that their product if free because they had to wait in line for a long time. Uhh, they're wrong. If the customer tells me that their son is an astronaut and landed on Mars two weeks ago, then of course he did and that is just wonderful. What good is it going to do to tell them that they are stupid to think such crazy things? (And even if you don't say it directly, that is what you are saying if you try to correct them no matter how politely.) Customer service is severly lacking in the world today. For one thing, people get paid the same whether they are the kindest person in the world or the rudest. I believe in rewarding kindness and discouraging rudeness. But maybe I'm the only one.

well can we do that for customers too?

when can the employee get recourse for being treated like they are a) mentally deficient b/c they are not working a white collar job (ignoring that many retail workers are working on or already have degrees, even graduate ones), b) lazy and rude just because you have no idea what the full scope of the job really entails (suffering fools gladly all day with a smile), c) a slave because apparently service translates more to indentured servitude

look I know there are crappy employees out there, but if you sit in a hairstylist chair and blab about **** you don't know about ("I want Jennifer Aniston's haircut!") does she have the right to charge you more? can she berate you for your stupidity? hell, can she call the manager and have you thrown out? no...but hell the customer sure can. oh an you can't beat that $5.15 minimum wage

 

[toofache32]

...I think she and my aunt are convinced that I must be a little slow to be in school so long for something Jessica did in only a few years!

Visiting from the dental forums.....When I was in my 4th year of dental school, I was given a patient who needed dentures even though I had completed my denture requirements and was trying to meet other requirements for graduation. I told the patient I would find a classmate to make her dentures because I was in my 4th year and trying to graduate with other stuff. She said "Good Lord! You been there 4 years and you still ain't graduated?!?!"

 

[toofache32]

No, I didn't tip because she was arguing that it only took two years to become a vet, even after I explained the process to her. Her retort was 'well i still think you can do it in 2 years.' Also, she didn't do a very good job, and I think tipping people who cut your hair is ridiculous. Do you tip your mechanic/plumber/woman who sells you your clothes? No - but that is all another topic for another time.

When the hell did people start tipping their barbers? I've never done that. I pay the price written on the wall. And how are you supposed to know how much to tip here?

 

[zufuss]

When the hell did people start tipping their barbers? I've never done that. I pay the price written on the wall. And how are you supposed to know how much to tip here?

If I goto a new barber and I'm not sure how I like the cut I tip em a buck. When I get comfortable with a certain barber and feel they do an excellent job of making sure I look pretty good for the next month then I tip 3-4 bucks. When I was in D.C. I went to this latino joint to get my hair did. I had this attractive young woman give me an awesome haircut, and shave my face and neck with a straight razor. I'd tip her 5 bucks everytime.

So lets go over my reasoning:

I look damn good for at least a month untill it grows out.
Shes got a straight razor to my neck.
Shes hubba hubba.
A tip puts a big ole smile on her face.
There is a sense of gratitute that is priceless.
I gererally appreciate anyone who is willing to phsyically touch human beings all day everyday (Some people are really dirty, talk about really boring/ugly/mean things, and you gatta put up with it and deal with them).

I dunno 5 extra bucks can go a long way for a really good trim and shave.

 

[youthman]

I just get my head shaved so the most I tip is $3. If they do a bad job I will tip $1. If I think they are being rude I won't tip them at all, but I will still pay them what it says on the board. The purpose of tipping is to encourage or reward good service, if it was mandatory to tip a certain amount because their wage is a certain amount, then it should be written somewhere. I have seen this before too.