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This is a new thread. It's a support group for those of us that are far from the top of the class. Some of us may be struggling to maintain the class average, others of us are struggling to pass, and others are in the middle.
If you're tired of people whining about barely making an A, worried about not matching ortho, or bragging about knowing all of the factors in the clotting stage, and the genes that regulate them, than this is the thread for you!
 
half the doctor's out there graduated in the bottom half of the their class... that's what keeps me going! 🙂
 
I love the signature!!

I also heard that the bottom 1/3 of med school graduates make the most money!
 
whatever, i'll join in
i go to a school that features pass/fail in the first two years and all i hope for every time I take a test is to PASS.
at the end of the day, no one will ever know who had the highest score versus the average score.
the kids who do super well tend to be natural born geniuses anyway.
whatever!
 
I love the signature!!

I also heard that the bottom 1/3 of med school graduates make the most money!


That's what they told us in law school. On our first day, we had a speech from a grad from our school who I think is about the richest lawyer in the US. He makes the Forbes list and everything. Anyway, he said he graduated in the top 80% of his class. 🙂
 
That's what they told us in law school. On our first day, we had a speech from a grad from our school who I think is about the richest lawyer in the US. He makes the Forbes list and everything. Anyway, he said he graduated in the top 80% of his class. 🙂

and what does he do?
 
I'm an avg student (in terms of my grades, not how hard I work) but I want to do above avg for my steps 1's. I just hope to know how to put my energy in studying the right things. :/
 
I'm right there with you, pinkeclipse. When it comes right down to it, I'm too lazy to kill myself for a 95. I'm happy as long as I'm at or above the class average. I have time for sleep, tv, internet, and my friends and family that way.

I'll kill myself for step 1, and that's IT. I'm not going to make myself miserable all year long. No ****ing way.
 
I'll kill myself for step 1, and that's IT. I'm not going to make myself miserable all year long. No ****ing way.

I third that. I feel like that's a pretty healthy attitude to have.
 
You guys got it all wrong. You gotta work ALL the time, without break. Only to eat, sleep, workout. That's it. Sometimes for socializing, but the majority of the time - just work - eat, drink and breath medicine.

And then, when you hit low-middle of the curve, that's when you know..."Wow that was really worth it!"

Life is one sweet sweet fruit.
 
This is a new thread. It's a support group for those of us that are far from the top of the class. Some of us may be struggling to maintain the class average, others of us are struggling to pass, and others are in the middle.

If you're tired of people whining about barely making an A, worried about not matching ortho, or bragging about knowing all of the factors in the clotting stage, and the genes that regulate them, than this is the thread for you!

I'm not sure these two paragraphs really go together.

#1 - Why would you care where you are in the class, unless you're interested in urology or neurosurg? And even if you want those specialties, I'm not so sure that your class rank will doom you. Hell, try going to a pass-fail school, where you can never tell your interviewer how you're doing in relationship to your peers.

#2 - Yeah, I hate those people too (except the "not matching in Ortho" part, fear of not matching when you're trying for a competitive field seems okay to me). People who whine about their grades or brag about their knowledge need a a slap upside the head.
 
I'm not sure these two paragraphs really go together.

#1 - Why would you care where you are in the class, unless you're interested in urology or neurosurg? And even if you want those specialties, I'm not so sure that your class rank will doom you. Hell, try going to a pass-fail school, where you can never tell your interviewer how you're doing in relationship to your peers.

#2 - Yeah, I hate those people too (except the "not matching in Ortho" part, fear of not matching when you're trying for a competitive field seems okay to me). People who whine about their grades or brag about their knowledge need a a slap upside the head.

1. Because lots of us (myself included) rely on external data to determine how to feel about ourselves. 🙁 We like approval from other people, and we look to things like doing well in school to get that approval. D@mn, I need to go to therapy.

2. Do people brag about their grades? That would be super lame. Luckily I haven't seen that one yet.
 
The bottom third thing is often true in law but not as much in medicine-it is more like the bottom 2/3rds make the money. The top 1/3rd goes into academia largely and makes jack. THe upper-middle third usually are those getting good-great residencies in good fields and the money-making fields-cards, gi, cardio surgery, optho etc

Bottom third go into a variety of things but almost always do private work rather than any academia and any american who ventures into the market with a skill can make tons of money.
 
Excellent post! I was just thinking of posting something like this today...

I'm one of those who has kind of scraped through so far, except that when I really put my mind to it, I've done above average which, admittedly, hasn't been all that often.

BUT, the big question is, is it possible to come out on top (or near the top) later on in the clinical years even if you didn't excel during pre-clinical?

C'est possible??!
 
BUT, the big question is, is it possible to come out on top (or near the top) later on in the clinical years even if you didn't excel during pre-clinical?

C'est possible??!

Je n'est pas encore un étudiant de médecine, mais je pense que c'est certainement possible.

Your performance while sniffing books and staring at online lectures with your favorite flavor of Polynesian midget porn minimized for later might be somewhat indicative, but I don't think I'd say that it's impossible for you to be a fantastic clinician/doctor just because your first two years weren't stellar. Correlation, if any, != causation.

$.02.
 
The bottom third thing is often true in law but not as much in medicine-it is more like the bottom 2/3rds make the money. The top 1/3rd goes into academia largely and makes jack. THe upper-middle third usually are those getting good-great residencies in good fields and the money-making fields-cards, gi, cardio surgery, optho etc

Bottom third go into a variety of things but almost always do private work rather than any academia and any american who ventures into the market with a skill can make tons of money.

I'd say that's a pretty gross generalization based on zero facts. Many of the uber achieving students go onto highly competitive fields such as ortho, ENT, rads, derm, plastics, uro and typically not the academic variety.

To those who think they're just scraping by... just keep plugging away, you'll be surprised at how much you know and how effectively you can command your knowledge by the end of med school.
 
To those who think they're just scraping by... just keep plugging away, you'll be surprised at how much you know and how effectively you can command your knowledge by the end of med school.

I've noticed that this is true for many things beyond medicine. 👍
 
Being part of silly things like this are why I will never be better than average in my class...(what's in the fridge guy)

Beer, my inherent lazy streak and my love of things that aren't basic sciences (read: skiing, GF in another state and beer) don't really help me out very much either.
 
Beer, my inherent lazy streak and my love of things that aren't basic sciences (read: skiing, GF in another state and beer) don't really help me out very much either.

I'd dare say that you'll be a happier doctor because of it.
 
I cry like a baby whenever I find out I got a 98% instead of the 100% I was shooting for. I also like to show people how smart I am. I always impress the guy at Starbucks by reciting things such as the coagulation cascade while he is making my latte. He stares at me funny, but I think he is just awestruck by my sheer brilliance. I always sit in the very front of the lecture hall and always raise my hand to ask the professor questions because I want to know everything I can so I can be the bestest doctor ever. People tell me to stop asking so much questions, but I think they are just not as motivated as me and maybe they are in the wrong field or something. I also tell everyone I meet that I am in medical school. You won't catch me dead at a McDonald's without my stethoscope around my neck. Someone mentioned about something like "worried about not matching ortho." Yeah? Me too! Not very many people like me, but I think they are just jealous.

But, yeah! I'd like to join this thread if y'all don't mind. I feel so welcomed here!
 
I cry like a baby whenever I find out I got a 98% instead of the 100% I was shooting for. I also like to show people how smart I am. I always impress the guy at Starbucks by reciting things such as the coagulation cascade while he is making my latte. He stares at me funny, but I think he is just awestruck by my sheer brilliance. I always sit in the very front of the lecture hall and always raise my hand to ask the professor questions because I want to know everything I can so I can be the bestest doctor ever. People tell me to stop asking so much questions, but I think they are just not as motivated as me and maybe they are in the wrong field or something. I also tell everyone I meet that I am in medical school. You won't catch me dead at a McDonald's without my stethoscope around my neck. Someone mentioned about something like "worried about not matching ortho." Yeah? Me too! Not very many people like me, but I think they are just jealous.

Neato. :laugh:
 
It seems like I never really know anything. And on the rare occassion that I DO know something, it's only if something is asked of me in a multiple-choice format.


Super.
 
I'd dare say that you'll be a happier doctor because of it.

In the end, that's all that really matters! After all, it's just a job and it's not worth losing who you are to your job.

..unless your trying to match into ortho:meanie:
 
Great thread! 👍
 
I'm in. I am happy just to get exam results that put me in the MIDDLE.

Three cheers for the mediocre med students! 😀
 
i've never worked so hard just to be mediocre. oh well, such is life.
 
It seems like I never really know anything. And on the rare occassion that I DO know something, it's only if something is asked of me in a multiple-choice format.


Super.

Thank god I'm not the only one...because I honestly thought I was
 
The bottom third thing is often true in law but not as much in medicine-it is more like the bottom 2/3rds make the money. The top 1/3rd goes into academia largely and makes jack. THe upper-middle third usually are those getting good-great residencies in good fields and the money-making fields-cards, gi, cardio surgery, optho etc

Bottom third go into a variety of things but almost always do private work rather than any academia and any american who ventures into the market with a skill can make tons of money.

You're forgetting that fields like cards, GI, cardio surgery (MONEY making fields) actually DON'T even look for one SECOND at your preclinical grades. Your performance in residency and institutional connections are MUCH more important. At BU, if you do IM residency here (fairly easy for a BU grad), you're pretty much GUARANTEED a cardio or GI spot here. Same goes for the local state school UMass. IM spots at these two schools are not very difficult to attain. As for CT surgery, that comes after Gen. Sug, which is not nearly as competitive as the surgical subspecialties.

That bottom third thing...I don't know where it comes from. But I do know that if it's money you're interested in, then you'll do what it takes to make that money. If you're interested in a specialty and more of a pursuit of happiness, you'll get that.

My dad is an FMG. He's making a ****load of money in a community hospital. His friends are FMGs. They're the richest people I know, driving their freakin' mercedes everywhere, having the big houses. Clearly, these people are much more status conscious (sometimes it's cultural) and have made certain sacrifices for big money (ie practicing in crappy, underserved areas doing work at small community hospital). But they're getting it done.

So bottom line is, if you're business savvy and smart, and you want to make money, you'll find a way to. And generally, in my experience, those guys who work their assess off and finish at the top are excellent doctors and scientists, but aren't very smart business wise.

The doctor I know with the most diverse career and who makes the MOST CASH at the end of the day is a GI doctor. He's an FMG, failed boards in the 80s twice before passing, got a crappy IM residency, failed IM boards in the 90s before passing, then SOMEHOW after sheer persistence, making connections, and working his ass off, got a crappy GI fellowship in some low-level VA hospital. Afterward, he opened his own practice, built a massive building that housed his own endoscopy suites (read: no facilities fee for endoscopies), hired three GI doctors just out of fellowship to work with him, and basically paid the building off in two years simply on endoscopies. Rented out 2/3 floors to primary care doctors (who paid HIM for the building space and sent HIM referrals cause it was easy for them).

The man wasn't book smart, but he was a genius when it came to money.
 
those guys who work their assess off and finish at the top are excellent doctors and scientists, but aren't very smart business wise.

I find this to be the case for pretty much all med students, not just the ones at the top...
 
I always impress the guy at Starbucks by reciting things such as the coagulation cascade while he is making my latte. He stares at me funny, but I think he is just awestruck by my sheer brilliance.

I work at Starbucks and I thank the powers that be every single day that I'm going to med school in the fall. If I hear one more person tell me to make their damn drink extra-foamy or extra hot, I'm going to pour it on their crotch.
 
I work at Starbucks and I thank the powers that be every single day that I'm going to med school in the fall. If I hear one more person tell me to make their damn drink extra-foamy or extra hot, I'm going to pour it on their crotch.

Please do.

I love people that order drinks with more descriptors than their personalities have. :laugh:
 
Ok, I for one also loathe the gunners and say let them have their academia spots. However, I do put some pride in my work and say that average is just dandy...yet, I'm beginnning to be a little pissed that scoring average means somewhere around an 90% on exams. That sucks to keep up with on an average approach to this debacle.
 
Please do.

I love people that order drinks with more descriptors than their personalities have. :laugh:
I know. We have people coming in who order the stupidest drinks.

Like I understand when you want splenda in your latte, but not when you must have non-fat milk and then whole milk foam to the second line and then some caramel on top. Do you honestly think that you are special because of your drink??!?!?! Honestly, I could reverse the whole thing and they wouldn't notice...
 
Ok, I for one also loathe the gunners and say let them have their academia spots. However, I do put some pride in my work and say that average is just dandy...yet, I'm beginnning to be a little pissed that scoring average means somewhere around an 90% on exams. That sucks to keep up with on an average approach to this debacle.

I completely agree, I loathe the idea of going into academic medicine. Do your best, if it's average, above average, or below average, it doesn't matter. In fact, I'm an advocate of doing slightly less than your best, and having a life!
 
I wonder where this guy graduated in his class. Funny, that factiod is never mentioned (at least he didn't drop out like Bill Gates or Michael Dell or he might have had even more money to worry about:laugh: ). He's probably the richest MD ever:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_W._McGuire
On 15 October 2006, it was announced that McGuire would step down immediately as chairman and director of United Health, and step down as CEO on 1 December 2006 due to his involvement in the employee stock options scandal. Simultaneously it was announced that he would be replaced as CEO by Stephen Hemsley, who has served as President and COO and is a member of the board of directors [1]. McGuire's exit compensation from UnitedHealth, expected to be around $1.1 billion, would be the largest golden parachute in the history of corporate America [2].



http://www.forbes.com/static/pvp2005/LIRRI3M.html
William W McGuire
Total Compensation: $124.8 mil (#3)
5-Year Compensation Total: $342,284 thou

William W McGuire has been CEO of UnitedHealth Group (UNH) for 14 years. Dr. McGuire has been with the company for 17 years . The 57 year old executive ranks 1 within Health care equipment & services

Education
College: University of Texas Austin BA ' 70
Graduate School: University of Texas Medical Branch Galveston MD ' 74
 
I know. We have people coming in who order the stupidest drinks.

Like I understand when you want splenda in your latte, but not when you must have non-fat milk and then whole milk foam to the second line and then some caramel on top. Do you honestly think that you are special because of your drink??!?!?! Honestly, I could reverse the whole thing and they wouldn't notice...

WHATTT that drink makes no sense, lol. Why don't they just ask for non fat milk foam. This reminds me of my ex. He would steal my diet food from me, then 5 minutes later eat a pizza or fries.
 
WHATTT that drink makes no sense, lol. Why don't they just ask for non fat milk foam. This reminds me of my ex. He would steal my diet food from me, then 5 minutes later eat a pizza or fries.
I'm just making it up. I have this one drink I used to make, it's a:

1) decaf dopio espresso
2) Grande cup of ice, with non-fat to the 2nd line, whole to the rim and then whole milk foam on top.

Like...wtf?
 
I'm just making it up. I have this one drink I used to make, it's a:

1) decaf dopio espresso
2) Grande cup of ice, with non-fat to the 2nd line, whole to the rim and then whole milk foam on top.

Like...wtf?

I had a high-maintenance coworker who used to order a non-fat, sugar-free, no-whip, no-foam, iced vanilla mocha-chino. I was mortified to go to get coffee with her, mainly because my small black coffee would be cold by the time her 45 step drink masterpiece was ready. I usually pulled out the zoolander "Orange Mocha Frapachinoooooooo" quotes after about 7 minutes of waiting for her.

I give serious props to anyone that dons the green apron of conformity and slings coffee at us caffiene deprived loonies. Especially the two locations conveniently located across the street from my building.
 
the green apron of conformity and slings coffee at us caffiene deprived loonies

poetic

You have two locations across the street? Nice...
We have a starbucks in our med school, and one across the street. Pretty soon I'll be making my rent checks out to Starbucks.
 
The bottom third thing is often true in law but not as much in medicine-it is more like the bottom 2/3rds make the money. The top 1/3rd goes into academia largely and makes jack. THe upper-middle third usually are those getting good-great residencies in good fields and the money-making fields-cards, gi, cardio surgery, optho etc



Bottom third go into a variety of things but almost always do private work rather than any academia and any american who ventures into the market with a skill can make tons of money.

I was in the top 10-15% of my law school class and still went into a field with major bank so it totally depends (in my experience, more on whether you are outgoing or not and are adept at public speaking).
 
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