For those of you at schools that use plastinations for anatomy...

[Lopyswine]

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wow....

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/popup?id=4291499&contentIndex=1&page=1&start=false

 

[Depakote]

wow....

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/popup?id=4291499&contentIndex=1&page=1&start=false

That would have more to do with the Body Worlds Exhibit. A school that uses plastinations for anatomy is likely to verify the source of their donors.

How is this any different from knowing the source of your dissection cadaver?


EDIT: please see below, Body Worlds isn't the exhibit with questionable sources, it's Bodies: The Exhibition that is.

 

[Lopyswine]

That would have more to do with the Body Worlds Exhibit. A school that uses plastinations for anatomy is likely to verify the source of their donors.

How is this any different from knowing the source of your dissection cadaver?

well the cadavers at our school are from donation. they aren't executed prisoners...

 

[Dirt]

This dude is how I always pictured the president of all anatomists.

 

[Depakote]

well the cadavers at our school are from donation. they aren't executed prisoners...

mine too. and our platinated specimens are the same.

I think you're trying to lump two things together when they shouldn't be.

Was there any evidence that the man who made body worlds (who's cadaver source is questionable) is was supplying specimens for US medical school education?

 

[Lopyswine]

mine too. and our platinated specimens are the same.

I think you're trying to lump two things together when they shouldn't be.

Was there any evidence that the man who made body worlds (who's cadaver source is questionable) is was supplying specimens for US medical school education?

From the article, I got the impression that many manufactures of plastinations have questionable cadaver sources. While this certainly doesn't say that all or even any of the med/dental schools in the US use plastinations from those sources, it does raise the question.

 

[Blesbok]

From the article, I got the impression that many manufactures of plastinations have questionable cadaver sources. While this certainly doesn't say that all or even any of the med/dental schools in the US use plastinations from those sources, it does raise the question.

Or the news network is just looking for a story where there isn't one. I doubt even those from body worlds has anything to do with this crap.

 

[USCguy]

our school has a plastination lab, and the people on the donation list have the option to be plastinated or used for dissection. Our school doesn't "buy" any parts or specimens for the plastination museum, just the supplies to do the acutal plastination

It was really weird when one of my wife's great aunts came up to me at a family reunion and told me she and her husband were on the list and wanted to know my opinion on it and if the specimens were of any use.

 

[shantster]

mine too. and our platinated specimens are the same.

I think you're trying to lump two things together when they shouldn't be.

Was there any evidence that the man who made body worlds (who's cadaver source is questionable) is was supplying specimens for US medical school education?

I thought that the specimens for Body Worlds (the original one and II) were done properly, but Bodies: The Exhibition was the one that had the ethical considerations since they were procured from people executed in the Chinese prisons, which is why I went to Body Worlds II, but refused to go to Bodies: The Exhibition when it was in town.

EDIT: This is all based on what I had heard and read, so my opinions are all based on the quality of what I had seen/heard.

 

[Depakote]

I thought that the specimens for Body Worlds (the original one and II) were done properly, but Bodies: The Exhibition was the one that had the ethical considerations since they were procured from people executed in the Chinese prisons, which is why I went to Body Worlds II, but refused to go to Bodies: The Exhibition when it was in town.

EDIT: This is all based on what I had heard and read, so my opinions are all based on the quality of what I had seen/heard.

I think you're right. I believe I may have mixed those two up. apologies.

EDIT: found an article...
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_526171.html

 

[TMP-SMX]

Unrelated to the topic, but Depakote, your SDN name helped me remember VPA for my psych exam. 😛

But yeah cadavers used in anatomy labs in medical schools are donated.

 

[Depakote]

Unrelated to the topic, but Depakote, your SDN name helped me remember VPA for my psych exam. 😛

I do what I can. 😀👍

 

[nogolfinsnow]

I thought that the specimens for Body Worlds (the original one and II) were done properly, but Bodies: The Exhibition was the one that had the ethical considerations since they were procured from people executed in the Chinese prisons, which is why I went to Body Worlds II, but refused to go to Bodies: The Exhibition when it was in town.

EDIT: This is all based on what I had heard and read, so my opinions are all based on the quality of what I had seen/heard.

I think you're right. Gunther von Hagens is the Body Worlds guy. I saw that last year, it really was quite amazing. This is a bit of a disturbing story, and selling bodies isn't just something that happens in China; the UCLA willed bodies program was in some deep water too recently if I remember. It's really sad. I think most medical schools go to great lengths to assure their cadavers are obtained in the most ethical manner and treated with the respect they deserve.

 

[digitalising]

I went to Bodies and got the feeling that I was in a carnival freak show. Low lights, separate rooms - the layout and design of the exhibition was fairly sensationalistic. I don't know if Body Worlds is the same.

Anyone get the same reaction?

 

[PeepshowJohnny]

I went to Bodies and got the feeling that I was in a carnival freak show. Low lights, separate rooms - the layout and design of the exhibition was fairly sensationalistic. I don't know if Body Worlds is the same.

Anyone get the same reaction?

I thought Body Worlds was somewhat raw, but tasteful. Never went to bodies so I can't compare, but here's my take.

I went with my extended family who ranged from hardcore medicine/science people to artsy types to average Joes (no plumbers). No one in my family found anything objectionable, even the more posed and "wacky" bodies and stuff (more on this later). The only people in the exhibit I saw who had trouble were people who probably shouldn't have come in the first place, they had problem with people without skin....period...no matter how they were posed.

Anyway, there are a lot of stuff that may look sensationalised (like the dude with his lats and serratus muscles "flared out" to look like wings, the dude riding a horse holding the hearts etc.) but I think almost everyone there had a reaction to it like it was a piece of art to be contemplated instead of gawked at. In addition, a lot of the pieces like the people made entirely out of blood vessels and the one with only a ton of nerves preserved were both artistic and scientifically fascinating.

I think everyone came out of it not "What a sweet sideshow" but with appreciation for how amazing the human body really is. My two cents.

 

[GoBuckeyes913]

I wonder what the price difference is between a plastinated cadaver and a regular one you dissect manually?? Just wondering. My school had the "regular" bodies, but wasn't aware schools are now using plastination to teach anatomy.

Also, I hate 20/20. My mom watches crap on there all the time and believes everything they say. Drives me nuts. She thought that everytime I'd go out with my friends, I was a)going to die from ETOH intoxication, because "They had it on 20/20 and they said this happens all the time and is a growing concern for every parent of a college student" b) going to get Rohipnol in my beer, c)get kidnapped by overseas prostitution rings. I wanted to cut my ears off every time I heard her reference a media show blowing something way out of proportion.

I think I just hate media shows in general. Except Dateline: To Catch a Predator. That's just way to damn funny.