Foreign Med school

[itsallgood19]

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ok, i don't mean to stir any hatred or whatever but i am wondering besides the carrib. schools are there other any other foreign medical schools that take US students with undergrad degrees and have doctoral degrees that are accepted when coming back to the US?

basically I'm wondering if getting a med degree from lets say India or something would be easier to come back with to the US than a car. MD degree - some doctors that i know have med degrees from schools other than the car. MD degrees but idn how hard it was for them to land their specialities (they all are in peds)...

honestly how hard is it to land a relatively low ranking speciality with a foreign medical degree (either car. MD or MD degree from another country)...i know i want to go either peds. or psychiatry and I've heard these aren't the most competitive specialities, but am unsure if i am competitive enough for US MD/DO schools tbh

thanks for any help - I'm really confused!!

 

[Shalashaska]

The best offshore option would be the Caribbean schools that have a good reputation and have students perform rotations in the US. However, you should do some research on obtaining residency positions for foreign students in the near future. Schools like SGU and Ross match quite a few students into fields like IM, FM, Peds, Psych, some in Gen. Surg., etc. However, foreign students always have it harder.

They say that starting in 2016, obtaining residencies will become challenging for foreign students, but I still think the best of the best will match. Obviously, you never know what could happen, as the situation could remain the same in the next several years as it is today. But don't expect to land a competitive specialty as a foreign student. Again, make your own decision, but try to apply in the US first.

Finally, there's no such thing as "saving time". People are so funny when they use that excuse to go abroad.

 

[Xenops]

You can go the UK/Ireland forum in the foreign schools section. They have reasonable threads about what to expect in regards to getting a residency in the U.S. after obtaining a foreign medical degree.

Ireland looks interesting to me, and many Canadians apply to Irish schools. 🙂

 

[vayntraubinator]

Check out the Med Schools in Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Tel Aviv 🙂

 

[Law2Doc]

ok, i don't mean to stir any hatred or whatever but i am wondering besides the carrib. schools are there other any other foreign medical schools that take US students with undergrad degrees and have doctoral degrees that are accepted when coming back to the US?

basically I'm wondering if getting a med degree from lets say India or something would be easier to come back with to the US than a car. MD degree - some doctors that i know have med degrees from schools other than the car. MD degrees but idn how hard it was for them to land their specialities (they all are in peds)...

honestly how hard is it to land a relatively low ranking speciality with a foreign medical degree (either car. MD or MD degree from another country)...i know i want to go either peds. or psychiatry and I've heard these aren't the most competitive specialities, but am unsure if i am competitive enough for US MD/DO schools tbh

thanks for any help - I'm really confused!!

It's not an issue of hatred, xenophobia or anything like that. If you want to practice in the US, you want to go to a US med school. Period. Everything else is low odds, even if you are a superstar. And you can basically foget nything competitive. If you can't get into a US med school in multiple attempts, After significant grade rehabilitation, then you at least want to do med school someplace where they have US rotations, because PDs at least will know you interacted with US patients in some small, perhaps non-equivalent way. If you are a foreigner with high scores going to med school in your own country, that is generally looked on more favorably than someone from the US attending med school abroad. US students have managed to get US residencies going to med school in the Caribbean, Israel, Ireland and Poland, more or less in this order, with odds getting worse and worse each year as US enrollment increases and now with the elimination of prematch and replacement of the scramble with SOAP. Basically going off to India for med school is very low yield unless you plan to practice in India. You are better off taking lots of postbac courses and rehabilitating your credentials until you can replace enough grades to have a shot at DO.

 

[mmmcdowe]

Agree with the above. Carib should never be an option until you have tried md and do us schools at least one, preferablly 2-3 times.

 

[theWUbear]

Finally, there's no such thing as "saving time". People are so funny when they use that excuse to go abroad.

Sure there is. Any cost-benefit analysis should take into account lost years of earnings for longer pre-med routes. I'm not saying it's good for for OP to go abroad, I'm not saying he'll make as much as he would if he had his career launched out of a US med school, but I am saying that there is "saving time".

 

[music2doc]

ok, i don't mean to stir any hatred or whatever but i am wondering besides the carrib. schools are there other any other foreign medical schools that take US students with undergrad degrees and have doctoral degrees that are accepted when coming back to the US?

basically I'm wondering if getting a med degree from lets say India or something would be easier to come back with to the US than a car. MD degree - some doctors that i know have med degrees from schools other than the car. MD degrees but idn how hard it was for them to land their specialities (they all are in peds)...

honestly how hard is it to land a relatively low ranking speciality with a foreign medical degree (either car. MD or MD degree from another country)...i know i want to go either peds. or psychiatry and I've heard these aren't the most competitive specialities, but am unsure if i am competitive enough for US MD/DO schools tbh

thanks for any help - I'm really confused!!

At this point in time, leaving the US for a medical degree generally means practicing medicine outside the US (if at all). In other words, if you leave, it is highly unlike you'll be coming back. The AAMC is actively working to eliminate [new] foreign and international medical grads in the US. That is pretty evident by the increase in US MD programs without any significant increase in residency spots. If they simply wanted more docs, the first priority would be more residency spots, but that is clearly not what is happening. You'd be well advised to go US MD/DO or go home (or go podiatry, optometry, nursing, PT, PA, etc.)

 

[theWUbear]

At this point in time, leaving the US for a medical degree is a risk. The AAMC is actively working to reduce the number of foreign and international medical grads in the US through the increase of US MD programs without any significant increase in residency spots. We won't know how the effects will play out until about 2016, so I'm going to refrain from saying incredibly drastic statements that jump to conclusions nobody can surely predict, which would irritate theWUbear. Nevertheless, you should know in which way the system is evolving.

fixed that for you

 

[music2doc]

fixed that for you

True enough, but this makes the assumption the OP understands the subtleties of statements like, "Being an IMG/FMG is likely to become increasingly risky over the next few years." I, for one, do not see much subtlety there, but it seems an awful lot of desperate premeds read that kind of statement and interpret it as "So what you're saying is there's still a chance!" -- completely ignoring cost. Why encourage that? Don't you think it is potentially negligent/imprudent for us to offer encouragement in that direction? When people are desperate for a "yes," they will often accept a "yes" with ridiculous strings attached as a "YES!" without considering those strings. It seems the direction we are moving is toward very, very few IMG/FMGs making it into US residencies. The AAMC has declared that by 2015, they want US MD programs to have increased enrollment by 30%. Without a concurrent increase in residency spots (which we have not, as of yet, seen), this will greatly increase the bottleneck for students from internat'l schools. (I recall seeing an article not long ago that projected about a 35% increase in enrollment by 2015 between MD and DO programs with a negligible gain in residency spots.)

 

[Law2Doc]

Sure there is. Any cost-benefit analysis should take into account lost years of earnings for longer pre-med routes. I'm not saying it's good for for OP to go abroad, I'm not saying he'll make as much as he would if he had his career launched out of a US med school, but I am saying that there is "saving time".

People who "save time" by going overseas inevitably end up losing time at the other end of med school getting US rotation experience, having to do dead end prelim jobs and the like. Many Caribbean students are not allowed to graduate in four years due to internal hurdles. From a cost benefit analysis going overs seas is the inferior choice.

But I think the prior poster is referring to te act that tie moves the same rate whether you are in med school or not. So you can never really save time, just spend it in different ways.