Freaken Neurosurgery LECOM!

[clc8503]

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I live in Louisiana so because my state requires that D.O.s undergo additional licensing to practice here, I rarely see any, which sucks. However, I was at LSU Hospital in Shreveport yesterday (my little brother injured his neck in a football game) and I noticed that the doctor that examined him was a D.O. neurosurgery resident. I started a conversation with him, told him that I'm in the process of applying to Osteopathic Medical school, and come to find out this guy went to LECOM! I know some users on this forum bash LECOM on a regular basis but if the school is producing students that are matching into allopathic neurosurgical residencies then the school is awesome in my opinion. He went on to say that two other students in his class also matched neurosurgery. On a side note, he did say that LECOM was cheap and that 60% of his class went into primary care. I did not think to ask if it was by choice or lack of options. I wish I did though. Either way, LECOM is apparently a great place to go to medical school so I hope that other users with not detour any of you from applying!

 

[jp104]

I live in Louisiana so because my state requires that D.O.s undergo additional licensing to practice here, I rarely see any, which sucks. However, I was at LSU Hospital in Shreveport yesterday (my little brother injured his neck in a football game) and I noticed that the doctor that examined him was a D.O. neurosurgery resident. I started a conversation with him, told him that I'm in the process of applying to Osteopathic Medical school, and come to find out this guy went to LECOM! I know some users on this forum bash LECOM on a regular basis but if the school is producing students that are matching into allopathic neurosurgical residencies then the school is awesome in my opinion. He went on to say that two other students in his class also matched neurosurgery. On a side note, he did say that LECOM was cheap and that 60% of his class went into primary care. I did not think to ask if it was by choice or lack of options. I wish I did though. Either way, LECOM is apparently a great place to go to medical school so I hope that other users with not detour any of you from applying!

I didn't think Louisiana had any extra hoops to jump through....

Anyways, LECOM produces fine physicians. The people who bash the school do so for reasons other than the education they receive. For instance, the dress code or other rules that the school has - like no eating food on campus or something like that.

 

[clc8503]

I didn't think Louisiana had any extra hoops to jump through....

Anyways, LECOM produces fine physicians. The people who bash the school do so for reasons other than the education they receive. For instance, the dress code or other rules that the school has - like no eating food on campus or something like that.

According to PubMed, Louisiana is the only state that does not recognize the Osteopathic Medical Examiners' test for licensure. If you want to practice in Louisiana you'll have to take the USMLE regardless of rather you want to match into an allopathic residency or not.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8558046&dopt=AbstractPlus

 

[jp104]

According to PubMed, Louisiana is the only state that does not recognize the Osteopathic Medical Examiners' test for licensure. If you want to practice in Louisiana you'll have to take the USMLE regardless of rather you want to match into an allopathic residency or not.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8558046&dopt=AbstractPlus

http://www.osteopathic.com/do/timeline.asp

2000 Louisiana recognizes the COMLEX as a physician licensing test, making the COMLEX and USMLE the national standards for physician licensure in the United States.

 

[Jack Daniel]

I live in Louisiana so because my state requires that D.O.s undergo additional licensing to practice here, I rarely see any, which sucks. However, I was at LSU Hospital in Shreveport yesterday .....

I second JP104--
LA requires nothing more of DOs:
http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html

Your wording may lead some to think that some states require extra from DOs in order for them to receive a license to practice medicine.

Otherwise, thanks for the great comment about LECOM.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I live in Louisiana so because my state requires that D.O.s undergo additional licensing to practice here, I rarely see any, which sucks. However, I was at LSU Hospital in Shreveport yesterday (my little brother injured his neck in a football game) and I noticed that the doctor that examined him was a D.O. neurosurgery resident. I started a conversation with him, told him that I'm in the process of applying to Osteopathic Medical school, and come to find out this guy went to LECOM! I know some users on this forum bash LECOM on a regular basis but if the school is producing students that are matching into allopathic neurosurgical residencies then the school is awesome in my opinion. He went on to say that two other students in his class also matched neurosurgery. On a side note, he did say that LECOM was cheap and that 60% of his class went into primary care. I did not think to ask if it was by choice or lack of options. I wish I did though. Either way, LECOM is apparently a great place to go to medical school so I hope that other users with not detour any of you from applying!

If this is who I think it is, he's a PGY-1 he aced his USMLE's and was only one of 2 DO's to match into neurosurg last year. Only reason I know is because I know the other one that matched.

I was not aware that 2 others had matched into neuro unless they did it outside of the neuromatch or did a DO residency which to my knowledge is not included in the San Fran Match. I could be wrong though since that is what the other student had informed me on match day.

As for LECOM - while some students bash it (ironically how many of them are actually students - yes the current students gripe but they suck it up and are getting a decent education!), they are known in the area for producing some great students. Talking to residents who have LECOM students, they often speak highly of them and most praise the PBL curriculum for that as they seem to really have it together. Just my insider information from residents at one of LECOM's main rotating hospitals 😉

 

[Jpc984]

clc8503's article is from 1995...

 

[clc8503]

http://www.osteopathic.com/do/timeline.asp

2000 Louisiana recognizes the COMLEX as a physician licensing test, making the COMLEX and USMLE the national standards for physician licensure in the United States.

I stand corrected! Thanks for your input. I apologize if I mislead anyone.

 

[Frank l]

I'm in my first year at LECOM. I heard a lot of bad stuff about it before I got here so I was a little worried, but I don't know what those people were talking about. Of course, I don't have experience with any other school, but I feel they are teaching us very well.

 

[Meatwad]

Just to echo what mshheaddoc said, 3 DO's matched into allopathic NS residencies last year, and they were definitely not all from LECOM. The other two must have landed osteopathic residencies.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Just to echo what mshheaddoc said, 3 DO's matched into allopathic NS residencies last year, and they were definitely not all from LECOM. The other two must have landed osteopathic residencies.

Do you know who the third was? Just curious. Word on the street was only 2. Thanks!

 

[Meatwad]

Do you know who the third was? Just curious. Word on the street was only 2. Thanks!

From what I've heard:

LECOM
CCOM
Oklahoma

I believe they matched at (not respectively):

Kansas University
SUNY-Upstate
LSU-Shreveport

 

[mshheaddoc]

Thanks for the info. 🙂

 

[Pansit]

From what I've heard:

LECOM
CCOM
Oklahoma

I believe they matched at (not respectively):

Kansas University
SUNY-Upstate
LSU-Shreveport

Does this not take a lot of guts?...you apply to match at an allopathic NS residency program (so obviously you have high board scores and great grades) and if you dont get in....your in the scramble...in the scramble with super high USMLE's/COMLEX

 

[Meatwad]

Does this not take a lot of guts?...you apply to match at an allopathic NS residency program (so obviously you have high board scores and great grades) and if you dont get in....your in the scramble...in the scramble with super high USMLE's/COMLEX

Fortune favors the brave, eh?

 

[Kuba]

Nova grad matched neurosurg at Providence hospital, MI last year.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Does this not take a lot of guts?...you apply to match at an allopathic NS residency program (so obviously you have high board scores and great grades) and if you dont get in....your in the scramble...in the scramble with super high USMLE's/COMLEX

For 60 people last year, yes it does.

BUT please remember, this NS match is in January. Its a separate match called the San Fransisco match. San Fran match currently is the matching service for 4 residency and 18 fellowship training programs. (Optho, plastics, neurotology, and NS) So technically they wouldn't have to "scramble" if they did it right. And with DO's if I remember correctly, the one that matched told me they had 4 opportunities to match including "THE" match. San Fran, Couples, Osteo and then "THE match". The logistics of all the matches I am unsure of because I would assume that's ALOT of paperwork to fill out everything but hey, I don't know since he didn't have to scramble. 🙂

Nova grad matched neurosurg at Providence hospital, MI last year.

That was an osteopathic residency just FYI.

And just for kicks, I looked at some of the previous match lists from LECOM - they've matched a few neurosurgs in the last years. As I'm sure quite a few other schools might have had a few as well. So it can be done.

 

[scpod]

...And just for kicks, I looked at some of the previous match lists from LECOM - they've matched a few neurosurgs in the last year. As I'm sure quite a few other schools might have had a few as well. So it can be done.

That's a great point because so many people are concerned with match lists as a factor in choosing a school. There are people with great residencies from every osteopathic school... and there are people with crappy ones too. What that really tells me is that YOU, as a student, are responsible for where you end up. Does your choice of school really give you an advantage in the match process? Maybe if you are a mediocre or marginal student it might have some effect... or if a particular residency you want is attached to that school. Otherwise, I don't think so. Anybody can get pretty much any residency if you work dilligently.

 

[mshheaddoc]

crap I said last year and I meant last yearS ... plural. I updated my post so people don't jump all over me. 😛

 

[Kuba]

That's a great point because so many people are concerned with match lists as a factor in choosing a school. There are people with great residencies from every osteopathic school... and there are people with crappy ones too. What that really tells me is that YOU, as a student, are responsible for where you end up. Does your choice of school really give you an advantage in the match process? Maybe if you are a mediocre or marginal student it might have some effect... or if a particular residency you want is attached to that school. Otherwise, I don't think so. Anybody can get pretty much any residency if you work dilligently.

Ha! You say that as if you believe the SDN community might actually believe it one day. Time to go bash schools...

 

[LSU-Tech]

That's dumb. Everyone knows that if your school has a good match list, it will make up for all your deficiencies as a student.

Yeah, I'm sure good grades, high USMLE and/or COMPLEX scores have nothing to do with getting a great residency, huh? The fact that LECOM, one of the least popular Osteopathic Med Schools, is producing great physicians that are landing competative residencies based on high grades and board scores says it all.

 

[Meatwad]

Yeah, I'm sure good grades, high USMLE and/or COMPLEX scores have nothing to do with getting a great residency, huh? The fact that LECOM, one of the least popular Osteopathic Med Schools, is producing great physicians that are landing competative residencies based on high grades and board scores says it all.

Woh, woh, woh; this is like the third sarcastic response to a sarcastic response. It's like a triple negative... I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REAL ANYMORE!!