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IT's ERAS time and gearing up to apply! What are some friendly/nice programs out there that you residents or attendings or even med studetns know about. I got nervous because Im on Peds right now and people were mentioning that some of the bigger big wig programs are vert "malignant". I would really like to be happy in residency and not miserable and stressed out thats why I chose Pediatrics in the first place.... they seemed much happier than the rest of Medicine!
PLEASE HELP!
 
IT's ERAS time and gearing up to apply! What are some friendly/nice programs out there that you residents or attendings or even med studetns know about. I got nervous because Im on Peds right now and people were mentioning that some of the bigger big wig programs are vert "malignant". I would really like to be happy in residency and not miserable and stressed out thats why I chose Pediatrics in the first place.... they seemed much happier than the rest of Medicine!
PLEASE HELP!

I don't know who "people" are who are saying that about "bigger big wig programs", but I recommend looking at a range of programs including some of the big children's hospitals and smaller community hospitals. You might find that when you actually talk to residents at these programs they don't think they are being treated badly.

Or, you might find that you prefer a smaller community program due to closer relationships with fewer residents and attendings.

Regardless, pick a range of places and keep an open mind. You might be surprised at how non-malignant some of the big programs are. Or not.

I'm not malignant. Well, except when a resident makes even the smallest of errors.:boom::boom:
 
IT's ERAS time and gearing up to apply! What are some friendly/nice programs out there that you residents or attendings or even med studetns know about. I got nervous because Im on Peds right now and people were mentioning that some of the bigger big wig programs are vert "malignant". I would really like to be happy in residency and not miserable and stressed out thats why I chose Pediatrics in the first place.... they seemed much happier than the rest of Medicine!
PLEASE HELP!
I don't think that there is an automatic correlation between program size and the concept of "malignancy". I suspect that you can find some abrasive personalities in just about any program, and can also find residents and faculty who seem more "people friendly". And "malignancy" can be observer-dependent. Maybe a program that seems more demanding of their residents might be viewed by some as malignant, but viewed as "challenging" or "stimulating" by others. It is good to talk with a variety of people for their opinions and observations, but also good to interview at a range of programs (large/medium/small programs that are based at their mother ship med schools and also some community programs) to get a sense of the program size and ambience that best fits with your learning and work style. There are positive and negative aspects to any program, and you need to sort out what the right balance is for you. That answer isn't the same for everyone.
 
I agree that every residency is different. I also agree that "malignancy" is a matter of opinion.

As far as pediatric resident seeming happier then residents of other specialities, I suspect that is a reflection of the type of people that go into pediatrics and as nothing to do with the residency themselves. Residency is suppose to be difficult. It's the only time in your career that is get to learn real patient care in a supervised setting (with the exception of fellowships... medical school rotations really don't count). In those residency years, you need to work hard and learn as much information as possible so you can competently take care of patients on your own when you graduate. The ACGME knows this and thus residencies are more or less standardized with regards to education (that's probably true across residency specialities, but I don't know the specifics). So, an IM residents works just as hard as a peds resident, their demeanor is a reflection of themselves, not the "malginancy" of the residency or speciality they chose.

Whatever the case, when chosing a residency, you have to find the place that is best for you, not some ranking list or other person's opinion. The only way to know that is to go to a place and see what they are like.
 
I don't know if Hopkins is considered a "bigger big wig" program, but our peeps are pretty darn friendly! Nicest residency program atmosphere you can ask for. No airs, no hoity toity I'm at Hopkins-- just a bunch of folks who want to take care of kids in the community and from around the world.
 
Thanks ! This is helpful! I guess i should stop listening to what other people say! Keep it coming!
 
You have to know yourself. I agree with the idea that "malignancy" is dependent on who's defining the term - especially when it comes to dealing with a bunch of pediatricians, who tend to be nice people overall.

The best advice is to make sure you apply to a wide variety of programs - from the highly prestigious to the understated gems, perhaps even including community programs.

Once you have this variety, listen to what the residents say. For example, when I was going through this process, I had one program where the residents talked over and over and over about how important it was to have a program where you had time to read. It was a smaller program that had a competing free standing children's hospital in town. They said things like "you're not going to see everything, so you need to have to time to read". Compare that to the program I ended up at. There, I had one resident who said "this is a program where you work, you see things because you're at the hospital" and another say, "if anything happens in the entire state, it comes here and shows up in our ER, so you just have to pay attention".

Those are extremes, but they demonstrate the point that depending on the type of learner you are, one program would be significantly better than the other. If you don't know yourself, you could certainly make a poor choice.
 
I did a SubI at Helen Devos / MSU in Grand Rapids, MI and it was great. The program director there is amazing and goes the extra mile for her residents. 14 residents per class and a brand new freestanding hospital (opened 7months ago). There were broad types of cases--everything from bread and butter to the exotic zebras. They actually have a pretty big catchment area (it's not Denver but sizeable) of most of northern Michigan and the entire upper peninsula. The residents are very happy and well taken care of from what I understood.
shaw81
 
I just finished up at NS-LIJ/Cohen Children's Hospital and had a really positive experience. Granted I wasn't on the floors, but all the residents I came in contact with were helpful. The attendings were great and many really liked to teach. The residents didn't give any specific negatives, but said they felt that the PD was working to change things for the better. I think they are decreasing the size of the program.
New hospital going up, larger ED, bigger NICU, etc.
 
I did a SubI at Helen Devos / MSU in Grand Rapids, MI and it was great. The program director there is amazing and goes the extra mile for her residents. 14 residents per class and a brand new freestanding hospital (opened 7months ago). There were broad types of cases--everything from bread and butter to the exotic zebras. They actually have a pretty big catchment area (it's not Denver but sizeable) of most of northern Michigan and the entire upper peninsula. The residents are very happy and well taken care of from what I understood.
shaw81

I agree with this. The whole MSU system is pretty awesome (I am a grad of it). Also, the program in Austin, TX is nice in terms of people. Those are the ones I can comment on. I was all about people getting along myself, soooo long ago when looking at programs. I personally found smaller programs to promote more cohesiveness because everyone's sort of forced to get along. That was a personal observation, though. It's peds though, so pretty much everyone's going to be nice.

Good luck!
 
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