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I know this issue has been covered in some previous threads on this forum, however, it didn't answer my specific question and the thread was outdated. I am a fourth year medical student and after last year I've come to to conclusion that I hate clinical medicine. And, I am really dreading residency where I will have to work 80 hour week (who are we kidding, more likely 100!!!) for a meager salary. There is not one area in medicine that I am extremely passionate about. Right now I am doing aways in Anesthesia and Rads but I hate Anesthesia and am concerned about the job prospects in Rads after graduation not to mention I also don't like Rads either.

So, my question is what are my options at this point if I choose not to pursue clinical medicine? Could I land a job in I-Banking (geared towards the healthcare sector) or consulting (MBB) or would I really need to get an MBA to land those jobs. I'd rather not do the latter as I will incure more debt.

Any stories of people transitioning to another career successfully or any tips/advice greatly appreciated

-frustrated/depressed router1

 

[jerseytrash]

I know this issue has been covered in some previous threads on this forum, however, it didn't answer my specific question and the thread was outdated. I am a fourth year medical student and after last year I've come to to conclusion that I hate clinical medicine. And, I am really dreading residency where I will have to work 80 hour week (who are we kidding, more likely 100!!!) for a meager salary. There is not one area in medicine that I am extremely passionate about. Right now I am doing aways in Anesthesia and Rads but I hate Anesthesia and am concerned about the job prospects in Rads after graduation not to mention I also don't like Rads either.

So, my question is what are my options at this point if I choose not to pursue clinical medicine? Could I land a job in I-Banking (geared towards the healthcare sector) or consulting (MBB) or would I really need to get an MBA to land those jobs. I'd rather not do the latter as I will incure more debt.

Any stories of people transitioning to another career successfully or any tips/advice greatly appreciated

-frustrated/depressed router1

What exactly made you want to go into medicine in the first place if you don't like any field? And what exactly do you "hate" about clinical medicine? I don't think anybody likes absolutely everything about the field of medicine but usually people are able to find niches. I'm not trying to be snarky, I genuinely am curious as to what you dislike/what you want out of a job as a physician.

Anyway healthcare consulting is certainly an option; I know people certainly can do that. you can get jobs with pharmaceutical corporations. A master's degree in business/finance will almost definitely help gear you towards that.

Also I'm almost 2 months into residency... it isn't roses and sunshine but I'm not working 100 hour weeks... and let's not be fooled that other professions don't work their butts off as well

 

[tco]

I know this issue has been covered in some previous threads on this forum, however, it didn't answer my specific question and the thread was outdated. I am a fourth year medical student and after last year I've come to to conclusion that I hate clinical medicine. And, I am really dreading residency where I will have to work 80 hour week (who are we kidding, more likely 100!!!) for a meager salary. There is not one area in medicine that I am extremely passionate about. Right now I am doing aways in Anesthesia and Rads but I hate Anesthesia and am concerned about the job prospects in Rads after graduation not to mention I also don't like Rads either.

So, my question is what are my options at this point if I choose not to pursue clinical medicine? Could I land a job in I-Banking (geared towards the healthcare sector) or consulting (MBB) or would I really need to get an MBA to land those jobs. I'd rather not do the latter as I will incure more debt.

Any stories of people transitioning to another career successfully or any tips/advice greatly appreciated

-frustrated/depressed router1

As the other poster stated, what is it that you do/don't like in medicine. I find it hard to believe that someone with a scientific mind can't find a specialty that is right for them in medicine...There's seriously something for everyone.

 

[blaqmamba]

As the other poster stated, what is it that you do/don't like in medicine. I find it hard to believe that someone with a scientific mind can't find a specialty that is right for them in medicine...There's seriously something for everyone.

I disagree. Most people have zero exposure to clinical medicine until third/fourth year. Although many med students have done some 'volunteer' work in the health field during undergrad or high school, that is hardly similar. We are all so used to memorizing books and being in classrooms, so I don't find it hard to believe that some will find they really hate clinical medicine.

With that said, you should definitely explore other options besides rads/anesthesia before making a final decision. Other people I know who were in a similar boat as you went into primary care (short residency, not the toughest hours), and it can provide many opportunities outside of clinical medicine.

If you still find that you want out of clinical medicine, there are a few useful websites online (can't recall them exactly) that you should check out, which can help guide you if you decide to pursue a more 'business-sided' career. But don't be ashamed and don't let other people on these forums discourage your decision. You know yourself better than anyone else

 

[dudeliness]

I disagree. Most people have zero exposure to clinical medicine until third/fourth year. Although many med students have done some 'volunteer' work in the health field during undergrad or high school, that is hardly similar. We are all so used to memorizing books and being in classrooms, so I don't find it hard to believe that some will find they really hate clinical medicine.

With that said, you should definitely explore other options besides rads/anesthesia before making a final decision. Other people I know who were in a similar boat as you went into primary care (short residency, not the toughest hours), and it can provide many opportunities outside of clinical medicine.

If you still find that you want out of clinical medicine, there are a few useful websites online (can't recall them exactly) that you should check out, which can help guide you if you decide to pursue a more 'business-sided' career. But don't be ashamed and don't let other people on these forums discourage your decision. You know yourself better than anyone else

This.

And good luck

 

[CDI]

Tell us the truth...what was your Step 1 score?

 

[tco]

I disagree. Most people have zero exposure to clinical medicine until third/fourth year. Although many med students have done some 'volunteer' work in the health field during undergrad or high school, that is hardly similar. We are all so used to memorizing books and being in classrooms, so I don't find it hard to believe that some will find they really hate clinical medicine.

With that said, you should definitely explore other options besides rads/anesthesia before making a final decision. Other people I know who were in a similar boat as you went into primary care (short residency, not the toughest hours), and it can provide many opportunities outside of clinical medicine.

If you still find that you want out of clinical medicine, there are a few useful websites online (can't recall them exactly) that you should check out, which can help guide you if you decide to pursue a more 'business-sided' career. But don't be ashamed and don't let other people on these forums discourage your decision. You know yourself better than anyone else

And there's a lot more in medicine than clinical medicine. I stand by my statement until the OP gives us specifics about what they like and don't like in the field.

 

[router1]

And there's a lot more in medicine than clinical medicine. I stand by my statement until the OP gives us specifics about what they like and don't like in the field.

Step 1 i got in the 240s....my grades are decent...won't get AOA but definitely top 25% in my class.

With regards to why I hate clinical medicine. I get no satisfaction from helping others. My satisfaction comes from doing well on exams, getting pimp questions right and doing well in the clerkships. To be quite honest, I went into medicine for the prestige and high salary but I have been disappointed by what attendings' are saying that their salaries have been drastically reduced in recent years while the number of hours that they work has sharply increased. I see friends that I went to school with living in these massive penthouses in manhattan and driving expensive cars whereas I am so saddled with debt. I am slightly older as it took me a few years to get into med school but some of my friends are associates at investment banks and consulting firms, married, and building their lives. God, this profession is so ****ed up. You truly have to be extremely altruistic to be happy in this profession.

 

[blaqmamba]

Step 1 i got in the 240s....my grades are decent...won't get AOA but definitely top 25% in my class.

With regards to why I hate clinical medicine. I get no satisfaction from helping others. My satisfaction comes from doing well on exams, getting pimp questions right and doing well in the clerkships. To be quite honest, I went into medicine for the prestige and high salary but I have been disappointed by what attendings' are saying that their salaries have been drastically reduced in recent years while the number of hours that they work has sharply increased. I see friends that I went to school with living in these massive penthouses in manhattan and driving expensive cars whereas I am so saddled with debt. I am slightly older as it took me a few years to get into med school but some of my friends are associates at investment banks and consulting firms, married, and building their lives. God, this profession is so ****ed up. You truly have to be extremely altruistic to be happy in this profession.

There's no guarantee that if you went into 'consulting' or into another field that you would be as successful as your friends. Yeah you're probably smart if you've made it this far, but many factors besides knowledge play into how much money people make.

Also, the prestige is still (and will always be) there for doctors. The money may not be what it once was, but 250k/yr is plenty if you're SO is also working. If you're looking to drive a Ferrari and own a 2/2 on the 50th floor overlooking central park.......leaving for consulting is also the wrong decision........

Anyways, to answer some of your first questions, I would NOT recommend I-banking (hours are just as horrible and pay doesn't improve too much unless you REALLY know what you're doing and know the right people/at the right place). Getting an MBA will open doors if you're trying to work at some big firm, but an MD>>>MBA in my opinion. You can get a crappy MBA someplace pretty easily/cheap to add to your resume, but I would hire any MD over an average MBA any day (this is disregarding the option of getting an MBA at Harvard or the likes)

 

[RoboChicken]

Wait. An MD> MBA? What. I feel like we're not even comparing apples to apples here. Different jobs require different qualifications/experiences etc. I love when people think that simply having an MD will open so many doors to them outside of medicine and research...

 

[ThoracicGuy]

Step 1 i got in the 240s....my grades are decent...won't get AOA but definitely top 25% in my class.

With regards to why I hate clinical medicine. I get no satisfaction from helping others. My satisfaction comes from doing well on exams, getting pimp questions right and doing well in the clerkships. To be quite honest, I went into medicine for the prestige and high salary but I have been disappointed by what attendings' are saying that their salaries have been drastically reduced in recent years while the number of hours that they work has sharply increased....

How about Pathology? You can get the satisfaction of diagnosing diseases/conditions without the clinical side of medicine. The hours aren't bad and not much in the way of call/weekend work.

 

[CDI]

Wait. An MD> MBA? What. I feel like we're not even comparing apples to apples here. Different jobs require different qualifications/experiences etc. I love when people think that simply having an MD will open so many doors to them outside of medicine and research...

It does open doors, to an extent. I interviewed at McKinsey for an APD hire with just my medical degree in hand. I got my ish handed to me cause I had no idea what a case interview was though.

 

[blaqmamba]

Wait. An MD> MBA? What. I feel like we're not even comparing apples to apples here. Different jobs require different qualifications/experiences etc. I love when people think that simply having an MD will open so many doors to them outside of medicine and research...

If I could to choose one to hire, it would be an MD hands down. We're all used to long work hours and competitiveness since we were in diapers. Perfect for any field.

You are right in that they require different qualifications/experiences, but I just meant that given a bunch of new info to understand, analyze, and process, an MD can do that better than an MBA. Think about when you did research in a field you never knew anything about on a gene or an interaction that you never even knew existed. You do your research, study, work your butt off, and get it done.

I also with what thoracic guy said - something to think about!!

 

[Kal EI]

If I could to choose one to hire, it would be an MD hands down. We're all used to long work hours and competitiveness since we were in diapers. Perfect for any field.

You are right in that they require different qualifications/experiences, but I just meant that given a bunch of new info to understand, analyze, and process, an MD can do that better than an MBA. Think about when you did research in a field you never knew anything about on a gene or an interaction that you never even knew existed. You do your research, study, work your butt off, and get it done.

I also with what thoracic guy said - something to think about!!

Yeah, I think the MD degree is more difficult to obtain - but business and medicine are different skills.

Business doesn't require a huge IQ, so memorizing things and intellect won't do much. It does require great social skills, intuition, and initiative/hunger.

Also an MBA is a relatively worthless degree. It's a networking degree more than anything. Plenty of CEOs in America have climbed the ranks of an organization - which is to say, knowing your industry and company is more important than general knowledge learned for an MBA.

Saying you'd pick an MD or an MBA to hire is the wrong thought process. Some MDs have terrible social skills and would be huge failures in business. Some MBAs are just built for business, down to the good looks which can help. It's like saying I'd pick the 255 Step 1 score over the 250... No one would say that, at that point it's coming down to the interview - not the score (or degree).

but I just meant that given a bunch of new info to understand, analyze, and process, an MD can do that better than an MBA

This has little to do with business. Business is more about understanding and analyzing the social situation or how to respond to something than it is gathering data. Unless you're a computer nerd setting algorithms for a new sophisticated day trading system or something.

 

[RoboChicken]

If I could to choose one to hire, it would be an MD hands down. We're all used to long work hours and competitiveness since we were in diapers. Perfect for any field.

You are right in that they require different qualifications/experiences, but I just meant that given a bunch of new info to understand, analyze, and process, an MD can do that better than an MBA. Think about when you did research in a field you never knew anything about on a gene or an interaction that you never even knew existed. You do your research, study, work your butt off, and get it done.

I also with what thoracic guy said - something to think about!!

I'm still confused when you say that you'd rather hire an MD than an MBA. Which position are we talking about hiring for? How often are MD's (with no other degree) and MBA's (with no other degree) even vying for the same position? Yes, I have done research in scientific fields I knew nothing about, but at least I could follow the general scientific jargon/language bc that is within the realm of my undergrad degree. I just feel that it's a bit arrogant to say that as MD's we are inherently hardworking and could "get the job done" in any field...

 

[jerseytrash]

Step 1 i got in the 240s....my grades are decent...won't get AOA but definitely top 25% in my class.

With regards to why I hate clinical medicine. I get no satisfaction from helping others. My satisfaction comes from doing well on exams, getting pimp questions right and doing well in the clerkships. To be quite honest, I went into medicine for the prestige and high salary but I have been disappointed by what attendings' are saying that their salaries have been drastically reduced in recent years while the number of hours that they work has sharply increased. I see friends that I went to school with living in these massive penthouses in manhattan and driving expensive cars whereas I am so saddled with debt. I am slightly older as it took me a few years to get into med school but some of my friends are associates at investment banks and consulting firms, married, and building their lives. God, this profession is so ****ed up. You truly have to be extremely altruistic to be happy in this profession.

I have friends who didn't go to med school who are also working at banks and driving expensive cars and living in Manhattan (which, frankly, I was never interested in). I also have friends who are struggling to work at their 9-9 job every day trying to make ends meet or are working at some job far below their credentialing level. And I have friends who are unemployed, living at home trying to find a job, and having zero success. I have none of those issues to worry about. I am going to be working in a profession consistent with my training and that is a huge relief for me.

You also are delusional if you believe that the life of an investment banker or consultant is some cushy job where you just rake in the cash. It involves a lot of sleepless nights, a lot of underhanded plays, and a lot of brown-nosing with folks who you hate. Also lots of substance abuse from legal to illegal rampant in the profession. I know at least one person who works on WS who has had to go to addiction counseling because he would literally spend every evening knocking back drinks until he passed out and had to get up to go in the AM drunk. Sure you make lots of money, but at what cost? I'm not claiming this doesn't happen in medicine either, but it's a recognized problem and you still aren't doing deceitful BS in order to make a living.

If you really like the science and the knowledge, consider research or working for pharma. It's not a bad gig. Plenty of money and you get to use your smarts. Also re: attendings complaining about their salaries - it's not as dramatic as you think, and frankly, we still make more than the average American salary.

 

[router1]

I have friends who didn't go to med school who are also working at banks and driving expensive cars and living in Manhattan (which, frankly, I was never interested in). I also have friends who are struggling to work at their 9-9 job every day trying to make ends meet or are working at some job far below their credentialing level. And I have friends who are unemployed, living at home trying to find a job, and having zero success. I have none of those issues to worry about. I am going to be working in a profession consistent with my training and that is a huge relief for me.

You also are delusional if you believe that the life of an investment banker or consultant is some cushy job where you just rake in the cash. It involves a lot of sleepless nights, a lot of underhanded plays, and a lot of brown-nosing with folks who you hate. Also lots of substance abuse from legal to illegal rampant in the profession. I know at least one person who works on WS who has had to go to addiction counseling because he would literally spend every evening knocking back drinks until he passed out and had to get up to go in the AM drunk. Sure you make lots of money, but at what cost? I'm not claiming this doesn't happen in medicine either, but it's a recognized problem and you still aren't doing deceitful BS in order to make a living.

If you really like the science and the knowledge, consider research or working for pharma. It's not a bad gig. Plenty of money and you get to use your smarts. Also re: attendings complaining about their salaries - it's not as dramatic as you think, and frankly, we still make more than the average American salary.

Yeah i never said that ibanking is not hard or cushy. Its the same as medicine where you have to work lots of hours. But just take a look at our lives. I have a friend who is 26 years old works for a boutique investment bank in manhattan and making $400,000 dollars a year. He works a lot of hours prolly in the neighourhood of 100 hours a week but he has no debt and drives a ferrari. Whereas I also work the same number of hours if you count in hours at the hospital plus studying when i get home and yet i am close to $400,000 in debt and drive a 14 year old beat up toyota camry (the same one my parents bought me in high school). My SAT/ACT scores were so much higher than his and I went to better college than he did. So in terms of making a big mistake with my life I believe that I have.

 

[Kal EI]

Yeah i never said that ibanking is not hard or cushy. Its the same as medicine where you have to work lots of hours. But just take a look at our lives. I have a friend who is 26 years old works for a boutique investment bank in manhattan and making $400,000 dollars a year. He works a lot of hours prolly in the neighourhood of 100 hours a week but he has no debt and drives a ferrari. Whereas I also work the same number of hours if you count in hours at the hospital plus studying when i get home and yet i am close to $400,000 in debt and drive a 14 year old beat up toyota camry (the same one my parents bought me in high school). My SAT/ACT scores were so much higher than his and I went to better college than he did. So in terms of making a big mistake with my life I believe that I have.

People don't understand that SAT/ACT and multiple choice tests don't necessarily translate to business success.

I'm sure your friend is very good at what he does. Saying that you would be just as good or could easily substitute would be far fetched since you've never done it. The biggest lie med students tell themselves is that since they are good at med school they are probably good at everything.

 

[router1]

People don't understand that SAT/ACT and multiple choice tests don't necessarily translate to business success.

I'm sure your friend is very good at what he does. Saying that you would be just as good or could easily substitute would be far fetched since you've never done it. The biggest lie med students tell themselves is that since they are good at med school they are probably good at everything.

I'm just exasperated bc I am looking 4 to 5 years of meager pay where its going to be the same crap day in and out. I'll be 32 when I have a real income assuming I do 6 years of rads plus fellowship, which is the game plan right now

Seeing all of these kids that I went to high school and college with doing way better than me, going on expensive vacays (Napa valley, etc), having gorgeous S.Os makes me very envious. I take my girl out to chipotle bc thats all i can afford right now...LOL

 

[evilbooyaa]

It's ALL the kids? Or are you focusing on those that have succeeded from your high school past? As jerseytrash said, there is generally a huge spectrum of success amongst high school grads. Stop comparing yourself to literally the 1% and think that you could get into that group just by switching careers.

It's POSSIBLE, but unlikely.
Basically, switch careers if you really dislike all of medicine. Get jobs w/ pharm as noted above. But don't switch careers to finance thinking you're going to automatically be raking in 400k in 5 years.

You've apparently already let one life decision be fueled by money and prestige. Don't make the same mistake again.

 

[Cali2]

If your only criteria for happiness is your salary and the type of car you drive, then medicine is probably not for you. How did you not know the salary for your intended career before committing to medical school?

Also, trying to figure out why you think leaving medicine is your sure ticket to driving a Ferrari. As a quick hint, your high SAT score is not going to impress anyone.

 

[jerseytrash]

Yeah i never said that ibanking is not hard or cushy. Its the same as medicine where you have to work lots of hours. But just take a look at our lives. I have a friend who is 26 years old works for a boutique investment bank in manhattan and making $400,000 dollars a year. He works a lot of hours prolly in the neighourhood of 100 hours a week but he has no debt and drives a ferrari. Whereas I also work the same number of hours if you count in hours at the hospital plus studying when i get home and yet i am close to $400,000 in debt and drive a 14 year old beat up toyota camry (the same one my parents bought me in high school). My SAT/ACT scores were so much higher than his and I went to better college than he did. So in terms of making a big mistake with my life I believe that I have.

Your friend got lucky. I have friends who majored in business and are doing absolutely crappy both professionally and personally. One is actually making the switch to medicine because he's absolutely miserable trying to make it in banking. I also have friends who are making tons of money on consulting gigs as I said previously, but why bother comparing myself to them? I don't like the work they're doing, and it's just a slippery slope. People in such professions always i'm sure think the grass is greener on the other side too.

I also drive an old car, work 80 hrs/wk, am making 50k/yr in residency (potentially higher amt of money next year once I can moonlight), and still am managing to find time to enjoy my life. Am I living large? Hell no. But if your idea of enjoyment requires an expensive car, huge house, and wads of cash to swim in, you are setting yourself up for disappointment regardless of what you do. I'm not sure even what to make of the SAT score remark... that's just a bizarre comparison since testing/scores/grades have zero bearing on your success in anything compared to hard work and being a person pleaser.

Also fwiw being an MD does not close the door on doing other businesses. I am trying to get into real estate b/c in the long term, as much as I enjoy medicine, I don't want to be doing it full time down the road. If you don't like clinical medicine at all, hey, I have no problem with that. But don't delude yourself that you'll be successful automatically in ANY other profession just because you got into med school and have good grades.

 

[jerseytrash]

I'm just exasperated bc I am looking 4 to 5 years of meager pay where its going to be the same crap day in and out. I'll be 32 when I have a real income assuming I do 6 years of rads plus fellowship, which is the game plan right now

Seeing all of these kids that I went to high school and college with doing way better than me, going on expensive vacays (Napa valley, etc), having gorgeous S.Os makes me very envious. I take my girl out to chipotle bc thats all i can afford right now...LOL

If I intend to do what I want, it is a similar length of time (3 years of IM + 3-5 years of fellowship) but that is the case with nearly every field of medicine. Also you become extremely marketable and competitive with a fellowship behind your back and can get jobs much more easily than the business exec that has to grovel for them and fight dirty amongst others.

Also if you're coveting other peoples' girlfriends or think yours isn't as hot as theirs therefore they are more successful, you might want to reconsider your view towards the world, because that's just disturbing.

 

[Cranial ALLDAY]

I've gotta look into what physician salaries are like at private institutions. IE being an executive's doctor or working for insurance companies. I would imagine someone like BCBS employs a lot of docs. Otherwise hospital admins are getting 500+. If you've got a lot of smarts look into something like BCG.com

 

[DoctorDermis]

Bro I've been struggling with the same issues you have been. Same deal...bunch of undergrad friends went into finance and are balling big time at 25. So far my best course of action is to pursue a residency in a field that will guarentee me a job with a decent salary, hopefully only practice a couple years while also obtaining an MBA. Then possibly move to the admin side of healthcare or jump to a healthcare centered consulting firm.

I've gotta look into what physician salaries are like at private institutions. IE being an executive's doctor or working for insurance companies. I would imagine someone like BCBS employs a lot of docs. Otherwise hospital admins are getting 500+. If you've got a lot of smarts look into something like BCG.com

Lol - a lot of us feel the pain now - many of my co-residents comment on so and so having this kid or that, this new house / car , etc.

Bottom line is that life is too short to do something you KNOW you do not like, and I value your self-realization and self-reflection.
Get out with that MD degree and scour the web for non-clinical jobs - be it software / sales / big data analytics / etc...

However, you could also finish 1 year of residency and try to get your Medical License prior to switching tracks. the Non-clinical job market for MDs is becoming more and more saturated with burnt-out, board-certified physicians. nonetheless, I wish you the best!

 

[Kahreek]

more saturated with burnt-out, board-certified physicians. nonetheless, I wish you the best!

interesting

 

[postman2145]

I agree with a lot of what others said on this post. Would you rather be grinding it out 9-whatever in a cube? Or have a degree that is meaningful and in demand? I'm a second year, so i havent gotten to the hard clinical stuff yet, but i know I'll like the clinical aspects of medicine.. The fact that youre trying to jump ship now is disappointing with all the work you put in so far, i think you need to look at that as well. Its no easy feat. But if keeping up with the Jones' (or your 1 friend driving a ferrari) is what youre about, I can guarantee thats not a recipe for happiness.

 

[router1]

I agree with a lot of what others said on this post. Would you rather be grinding it out 9-whatever in a cube? Or have a degree that is meaningful and in demand? I'm a second year, so i havent gotten to the hard clinical stuff yet, but i know I'll like the clinical aspects of medicine.. The fact that youre trying to jump ship now is disappointing with all the work you put in so far, i think you need to look at that as well. Its no easy feat. But if keeping up with the Jones' (or your 1 friend driving a ferrari) is what youre about, I can guarantee thats not a recipe for happiness.

Let me tell you dude. I was a glassy-eyed med student 2nd year who was excited to be doing rotations, saving the world, etc. I bought pocket medicine 2nd year and I was extremely eager to sharpen my history taking skills, be the best at procedures I am an M4 now. And, after third year you are going to realize like I have that medicine SUCKS big time. You are a ****ing drone who follows a ****ing formula and you get ****ted on by every which way. The attendings are usually nice to med students but the residents will eat you out everyday cuz they get ****ted on by attendings and once you are an resident you will get ****ted on like nothing by attendings, who in turn get ****ted on by hospital administrators, insurance companies, medicare, and other specialities looking to take market share from them. Not to mention you work like a ****ing dog day in and out. I am doing an IR rotation and and the attendings here work 6 to 8 every day.

 

[Kahreek]

i can totally get you bro, but life aint easy, you have lots of option inside of medicine, if you are willing to work, it is still a better job than 90% out there.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Let me tell you dude. I was a glassy-eyed med student 2nd year who was excited to be doing rotations, saving the world, etc. I bought pocket medicine 2nd year and I was extremely eager to sharpen my history taking skills, be the best at procedures I am an M4 now. And, after third year you are going to realize like I have that medicine SUCKS big time. You are a ****ing drone who follows a ****ing formula and you get ****ted on by every which way. The attendings are usually nice to med students but the residents will eat you out everyday cuz they get ****ted on by attendings and once you are an resident you will get ****ted on like nothing by attendings, who in turn get ****ted on by hospital administrators, insurance companies, medicare, and other specialities looking to take market share from them. Not to mention you work like a ****ing dog day in and out. I am doing an IR rotation and and the attendings here work 6 to 8 every day.

Should've tried to figure out what you were walking into before you plunged into 200k of debt. Sucks, bro!

 

[pattr]

Step 1 i got in the 240s....my grades are decent...won't get AOA but definitely top 25% in my class.

With regards to why I hate clinical medicine. I get no satisfaction from helping others. My satisfaction comes from doing well on exams, getting pimp questions right and doing well in the clerkships. To be quite honest, I went into medicine for the prestige and high salary but I have been disappointed by what attendings' are saying that their salaries have been drastically reduced in recent years while the number of hours that they work has sharply increased. I see friends that I went to school with living in these massive penthouses in manhattan and driving expensive cars whereas I am so saddled with debt. I am slightly older as it took me a few years to get into med school but some of my friends are associates at investment banks and consulting firms, married, and building their lives. God, this profession is so ****ed up. You truly have to be extremely altruistic to be happy in this profession.

Let me tell you dude. I was a glassy-eyed med student 2nd year who was excited to be doing rotations, saving the world, etc. I bought pocket medicine 2nd year and I was extremely eager to sharpen my history taking skills, be the best at procedures I am an M4 now. And, after third year you are going to realize like I have that medicine SUCKS big time. You are a ****ing drone who follows a ****ing formula and you get ****ted on by every which way. The attendings are usually nice to med students but the residents will eat you out everyday cuz they get ****ted on by attendings and once you are an resident you will get ****ted on like nothing by attendings, who in turn get ****ted on by hospital administrators, insurance companies, medicare, and other specialities looking to take market share from them. Not to mention you work like a ****ing dog day in and out. I am doing an IR rotation and and the attendings here work 6 to 8 every day.

Aside from the fact that you are totally jaded about every aspect of the medical profession as it exists today, you want a lifestyle specialty with good pay and good hours and a chill residency. Or you just want to not do medicine.

1) Find a residency program type that doesn't overwork you and is still rewarding for you: occ med, psych, path, derm, rad/onc, PM&R, ophtho (you seem like you've eliminated rads and gas)
2) Do you like research?
3) Pharma, biotech, hospital admin

Just out of curiosity, are you applying for residency this year? What are you writing on your personal statement, etc is your specialty of choice?

But the reality is you can't have it all (for sure not in medicine at least)

 

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Aside from the fact that you are totally jaded about every aspect of the medical profession as it exists today, you want a lifestyle specialty with good pay and good hours and a chill residency. Or you just want to not do medicine.

1) Find a residency program type that doesn't overwork you and is still rewarding for you: occ med, psych, path, derm, rad/onc, PM&R, ophtho (you seem like you've eliminated rads and gas)
2) Do you like research?
3) Pharma, biotech, hospital admin

Just out of curiosity, are you applying for residency this year? What are you writing on your personal statement, etc is your specialty of choice?

But the reality is you can't have it all (for sure not in medicine at least)

still doing rads...i'm just hoping this feeling goes away when i have to start paying the 350,000 in loans that i have to pay.