frustration with shelf exams

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Im trying not to turn this into a rant, but I have no idea what to do for shelf exams anymore. I just took the psych shelf and wound up with a lower score than I expected (was shooting for honors). I used Appleton and Lange questions and pretest (annotated answers in both) and read blueprints over a couple of times. Obviously thats not enough to get honors anymore. I talked to a couple of people and they scored better just by reading blueprints and doing some of pretest, so I dont know whats going on. Either Im using the wrong resources, or I am dumb as $hit when It comes to exams. This is starting to freak me out because I thought prepared a lot for this exam and I came up short. Anyone else have similar experiences, or any comments/advice? Please share..

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No question the shelf exams suck ace. Sounds like your doing the right things. I would just add that for several of the exams, First-Aid had a better review book. Blueprints has some decent questions in the back, but it tends to be 2 superficial for the exam. Appleton is solid but it can be 2 detailed. The key for me has been getting an early start. I usually try to crank out as many questions as possible as early as possible. You can always knock out a few questions from pre-test while your fartin around on the floors.
 
Do I have a similar experience? Boy, do I.

I never felt better about any other test in my life than the the internal medicine one. Both of my seniors during the rotation told me that I was one the best 3rd year student and one told me that I knew more about IM than most interns. One of my Attendings told me that I have all the raw tools for succeeding in IM and all I needed to do was practice presenting cases. I asked my other Attending what could I do to imrprove myself as as student. She sat there in reflection for about 30 seconds, had a look of being stomped on her face and just said "practice your presentations." I had read all of the time and paid close attention to every word that came out of a physician's mouth on that rotation. The librarian at the hospital told me I checked out the Harrison's more than anyone other person there, I honored the rotation clinically, and guess what.....my score was embarrasingly low for the shelf exam. It was horrible. I am sitting here now too discouraged to even read any thing for my family medicine rotation because it may not help me to do any thing except get a good evaluation in which I feel i can get anyway just from studying IM so hard 🙁
 
I think the Shelf exams test so much more than rote memorization...they test reasoning, time-management, and clinical intuition. This is not to say that you won't be a fabulous physician, which apparently you will be, but it is just an exam. Don't let it get you down.
 
bigfrank said:
I think the Shelf exams test so much more than rote memorization...they test reasoning, time-management, and clinical intuitionThis is not to say that you won't be a fabulous physician, which apparently you will be, but it is just an exam. Don't let it get you down.
ditto

if he is bleeding.....and BP falling fast......give him some fluids....
but he has hx of CHF...with EF of 35%...
drown his lungs now, save his life.
newyz back to studying.......med shelf looms.

btw, BF....approximately how many "what is the next step" type ques did u get.
 
On my medicine shelf, I got approximately 50% "next step" questions. 25% diagnosis and 25% treatment round out the remaining half.
 
Prescription for the Boards Step 2 and Step 2 Secrets all the way. They cover most, if not all, of the stuff you'll see on the shelf exams too.

Any questions missed were due to my own mistakes and not to lack of coverage or misinformation in the texts
 
Guys. Focus.

The shelf exams are hard, especially if you want to honor. But you have to realize from now until you die that there is a difference between doing well on the boards and doing well in clinical setting. So don't let faculty lead you into thinking that you will ace your shelf, and don't let your board scores think you will be a great physician. These are two entirely different things.

The shelf is very similar to Step 2 CK, except that the CK is much more involved. As far as resources are concerned, all the clerkship resources are very good (Blueprints, A&L, Pretest, etc.). And obviously doing practice problems are key. A lot of times, it's not the material you're having trouble with... it's TEST-TAKING SKILLS.

http://www.nbme.org/programs/subjexamsclin.asp

Look through the sample questions in the printable outlines, analyze the question and how they ask it. It all boils down to 4 types of questions NBME will ask:

1. Promoting Health and Health Maintenance: These questions basically ask you whether or not the case they present is normal or what is the next step in preventive medicine. Or what risk factors a patient might have the predisposes them to a particular disease.

2. Understanding Mechanism of Disease: These questions will present a case and then you'll have 4 answer choices that describe a mechanism. So your job is to figure out what the patient has and figure out which of the 4 mechanism corresponds to that disease. These questions will usually ask what is the cause of a particular condition or finding or lab result.

3. Establishing a Diagnosis: This question asks what the next step is in diagnosis... meaning how do you work this patient up. You'll usually have lab values and you need to figure out what subset of a disease someone has... usually you need to memorize a flow chart for this. It also asks how do you NAIL DOWN a diagnosis, or basically what ONE test do you order to know what this patient has. Or they will just ask, what is the most likely diagnosis based on H&P.

4. Applying Principles of Management: These questions ask you what your next step is going to be. Your choices will usually include: Nothing and follow up, a Diagnostic Test, an Imaging, Empiric Therapy, Go Straight to Surgery. These are tough questions because sometimes if a patient is acute, you can skip all the diagnostic stuff and go straight for treatment. But that's how they ask these types of questions.

My advice would be to always read the question FIRST. If you need to nail down a diagnosis, start thinking that way. If you have an ethical/behavial health question, you can skim the case very quickly. Sometimes they simply ask you to explain one lab value, so you should read through the case very quickly.

My last piece of advice is TIME. It is your enemy. Which means that when you have 10 minutes left to do 10 questions, you do NOT want to be stuck reading A-Z choices or have 500 lab values to interpret. DO THE LAST 20 QUESTIONS FIRST.

Good luck.
 
Shelf tests do not test intuition, or skill. They test how well you prepared for the shelf exams. You really do have to ask around A LOT to find what odd slant each of them tests. Then you study that like crazy. As far as I know there is no good book out there for shelf prep.

For example the psych shelf deals mainly with dsm, drugs and cl (consult liason) stuff. Find notes on cl from as many schools as pos, know the dsm backwards, and same for the drugs. If you do that you'll do well. If you rely on going throug self test a few times you will do poorly. There is a formula. It's just very obscure.

IMHO shelf tests measure how anal and grade hungry you are in the midst of an almost infinate number of possible superior learning opportunities in the hospital. Shelf exams are bs. My first few were miserable, but as I learned to crack them my results got much better. I find that crap like the shelf get in the way of real learning. If they really must grade us at this stage I'd like to see us being graded by the patients we treat. That would definately warm up some of the androids that pass as trainee doctors around here. 🙂
 
Have you seen the other thread about subjective grading on the wards? It makes the shelf look like kindergarten. The tests at least are an equalizer and don't reflect whatever personal emotions (good or bad) that went on during the rotation. After 100 years of modern medical education, the schools still haven't figured out a 100% effective way to 1) teach good clinical skills and 2) accurately evaluate all students.
 
pikachu said:
Have you seen the other thread about subjective grading on the wards? It makes the shelf look like kindergarten. The tests at least are an equalizer and don't reflect whatever personal emotions (good or bad) that went on during the rotation. After 100 years of modern medical education, the schools still haven't figured out a 100% effective way to 1) teach good clinical skills and 2) accurately evaluate all students.

I love taking the shelf exams. At least I can work hard and get the grade I deserve, which is certainly not something I can say about clerkship evaluations.
 
Stinger86 said:
I love taking the shelf exams. At least I can work hard and get the grade I deserve, which is certainly not something I can say about clerkship evaluations.
exactly!!!...the only time i had fun during my medicine clerkship was during that 2hrs 10 mins. i love standardized exams.....cuz i know i control my own destiny......not some ****** with unstable unstable hormones... 😡
 
Yeah, I'd take shelf exams anyday over the inhouse "shelf style" exams we get here on some rotations. And a little bit of objectivity is nice change from the grovel fest that is subjective grading. But I wish they'd update the test and get rid of all the obsolete crap. My surgery shelf was full of questions about procedures that haven't been practiced in 20 years. The psych shelf was insane of course. I bet many of the psych docs here would fail it. Ob/gyn, don't even get me started. Bleeding, bleeding, bleeding. Ughhhh.
 
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