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AFVET said:
I guess I don't know what you mean by disillusioned, my cousins are making money, I mean a lot of money. Do you think a three year residency would have made a difference for you? I was maintenance in the AF 2A6X2. Out of curiosity, did you get any kind of advanced standing when you went back to med school?

No U.S. medical schools allow advanced standing of any kind based on previous non MD/DO school alone. Most do offer "credit by examination" for some first / second year basic science courses, but these exams are TOUGH and do not reduce the calendar length of the program.

- H
 
FoughtFyr said:
No U.S. medical schools allow advanced standing of any kind based on previous non MD/DO school alone. Most do offer "credit by examination" for some first / second year basic science courses, but these exams are TOUGH and do not reduce the calendar length of the program.

- H

He said he went to a caribbean school.
 
😀 Hey
I believe soon that all the residencies are going to become 3 Year Programs instead of 1 or 2.

Jeff
 
Podiatry in general is changing, my father is podiatrist in a smaller market in az and he views the field as very promising. I don't think that there is any way that someone coming out of podiatry school could be any less qualified than they were 30 years ago. He mentions how most new podiatrist can do things he would not even think about doing himself. What does worry me is about podiatry is other people being accepted into podiatry school who are not qualified. However, if you are good at what you do, you will have patients. Also, there are things you can specialize in like diabetic medicine, which will have patients being referred to you to take care of their feet.

You also say that once people see a podiatrist and have the problem fixed they won't come back. They won't come back if you do a poor job. I remember putting away charts with some patients chart an inch thick. This is because as people put on weight they have more foot problems, which can lead to a variety of different health problems. As long as you do not go to a market that is saturated with established podiatrist you will probably have plenty of patients. Or if not see if you can buy out a retiring podiatrist.
 
I hate to split hairs here and probably sound like I'm for segregation of docs and nurses/etc, but how come DPMs get put in with the nurses, lpns, pa-cs, and all that, yet dentists and optometrists get their own forums...hell even pharmacists have their own forums.

In my opinion, DPMs are more of a doctor than an optometrist. I'm not saying you aren't real doctors, but exactly the opposite. Is this forum trying to imply that podiatrists aren't "real" doctors?

...I'm probably getting banned for this one.
 
JudoKing01 said:
I hate to split hairs here and probably sound like I'm for segregation of docs and nurses/etc, but how come DPMs get put in with the nurses, lpns, pa-cs, and all that, yet dentists and optometrists get their own forums...hell even pharmacists have their own forums.

In my opinion, DPMs are more of a doctor than an optometrist. I'm not saying you aren't real doctors, but exactly the opposite. Is this forum trying to imply that podiatrists aren't "real" doctors?

...I'm probably getting banned for this one.

So far, this thread has stayed fairly civil and informational, whenever somebody mentions stuff like this it seems like all hell breaks lose and its impossible to have a decent conversation. I think the reasoning behind the lack of a dedicated podiatry forum has been lack of interest in the past... hell there's only like 14000 pods in the whole country.
 
azstdnt said:
Podiatry in general is changing, my father is podiatrist in a smaller market in az and he views the field as very promising. I don't think that there is any way that someone coming out of podiatry school could be any less qualified than they were 30 years ago. He mentions how most new podiatrist can do things he would not even think about doing himself. What does worry me is about podiatry is other people being accepted into podiatry school who are not qualified. However, if you are good at what you do, you will have patients. Also, there are things you can specialize in like diabetic medicine, which will have patients being referred to you to take care of their feet.

You also say that once people see a podiatrist and have the problem fixed they won't come back. They won't come back if you do a poor job. I remember putting away charts with some patients chart an inch thick. This is because as people put on weight they have more foot problems, which can lead to a variety of different health problems. As long as you do not go to a market that is saturated with established podiatrist you will probably have plenty of patients. Or if not see if you can buy out a retiring podiatrist.

Hey azstdnt, are you in the pod school in arizona right now?
 
AFVET said:
Hey azstdnt, are you in the pod school in arizona right now?

No, I'm still deciding whether I want to go to podiatry school or D.O. school.
 
I wasn't trying to start a fight, it just struck me as odd. It was more of an observation than anything. I mean, veterinarians are even in their own category. What the hell?

Anyway, I'm just going to piss more people off if I keep saying **** like this, so this'll be my last post on that topic.
 
I think they tried to started a DPM forum on here.....but they had to close it due to the fact that there weren't enough people viewing and posting. Just too much work to maintain and regulate with the amount of people visiting was what they said, I think.

As for the residency....I heard that a 3yr surgical training with a specialty in limp salvage or truma surgery seems to be the way to go these days. Correct me if I am wrong.

Does anybody know areas that are good for pods? I know NY is pretty saturated...what about CA and those west coast states?
 
I actually bought a practice in AZ in an underserved area that already had 3 podiatrists in a town of 30k. You cannot go anywhere in the country without intense competition and having continually having to hustle business (another reason I went to medical school). The reason for this is self evident. If you fix the foot problem, you are no longer needed.

Seems to me that if you are not a trained surgeron you are at a huge disadvantage. A town of 30k is a extremely big town at all. So to already have 3 established podiatists there who probably all had better credientials than you no wonder your patients werent growing. It also takes 2-5 years to truly establish a good client list. Maybe if you didnt take the short route and applied yourself, made better grades and got a better residency there wouldnt be a problem. Sorry to sound so mean but I am a future podiatrist(hopefully) and everyone I have talked to is successful and very positive about the profession so it bothers me to hear the 1 or 2 bad apples try to spoil it for the rest.

Secondly, if you treat the foot condition right and are sincere they will always come back to you for any future problems and tell all they family members and friends about you. Word of mouth is the best advertising...also a sure fire way to sink a business if you are a bad doc.
 
The town he was in sounds exactly like the town that my father has been very successful in for the last 20+ years, and it was hard at first. Luckily a podiatrist in a larger city took him in, and then he built up his practice in the smaller town. He is very successful now and does not even do all the complicated surgeries. You cannot expect instant success in any profession.
 
Dmayor22 said:
Seems to me that if you are not a trained surgeron you are at a huge disadvantage. A town of 30k is a extremely big town at all. So to already have 3 established podiatists there who probably all had better credientials than you no wonder your patients werent growing. It also takes 2-5 years to truly establish a good client list. Maybe if you didnt take the short route and applied yourself, made better grades and got a better residency there wouldnt be a problem. Sorry to sound so mean but I am a future podiatrist(hopefully) and everyone I have talked to is successful and very positive about the profession so it bothers me to hear the 1 or 2 bad apples try to spoil it for the rest.

Secondly, if you treat the foot condition right and are sincere they will always come back to you for any future problems and tell all they family members and friends about you. Word of mouth is the best advertising...also a sure fire way to sink a business if you are a bad doc.

I'm not sure how fair this is. One could argue that it takes a lot of guts to go back to med school and do something that he had always wanted to do. The podiatrists I know are successfull as well but it does seem as though there are some sad stories in podiatry. I plan on learning as much as I can from those who have succeeded as well as those who did not.
 
Dmayor22 said:
Seems to me that if you are not a trained surgeron you are at a huge disadvantage. A town of 30k is a extremely big town at all. So to already have 3 established podiatists there who probably all had better credientials than you no wonder your patients werent growing. It also takes 2-5 years to truly establish a good client list. Maybe if you didnt take the short route and applied yourself, made better grades and got a better residency there wouldnt be a problem. Sorry to sound so mean but I am a future podiatrist(hopefully) and everyone I have talked to is successful and very positive about the profession so it bothers me to hear the 1 or 2 bad apples try to spoil it for the rest.

Secondly, if you treat the foot condition right and are sincere they will always come back to you for any future problems and tell all they family members and friends about you. Word of mouth is the best advertising...also a sure fire way to sink a business if you are a bad doc.
If you can't keep a practice running with a 7500:1 patient:doctor ratio, the problem definitely isn't overcrowding.
 
Sorry for the delay in responding. There are only two 4 year podiatric surgical residency program in the country. Both of them happen to be in Philadelphia. Temple University Hospital and University of Pennsylvania at Presbyterian. I guess for the 4 year programs, the 3rd and 4th years are for rearfoot and ankle reconstruction.[

QUOTE=dr2bjake]DPMGRAD,

What is the 4th year at temple if the 3rd year of residency is rear foot/ankle reconstruction?

Thanks.

BTW: Taking a day trip to philly this weekend... what should I see?

Jake[/QUOTE]
 
The view of other medical specialites of DPMs varies from hospital and location. In places where Podiatric Surgery is well established, other medical specialties treat DPMs as the foot and ankle specialist. In other areas where Podiatric Surgery is not well establish, other specialists will view DPMs as physicians who render routine foot care and conservative treatments only.
As for ankle priviledges, it will vary from state to state. For example, DPMs in PA, NJ, DE can operate on ankles. DPMs in CT, NY, MA can not operate on ankles. In my hospital, other medical specialties do view us as being the foot and ankle specialists. This include the orthopedic surgeons in my hospital. We are very fortunate to have such a good relationship with orthopedic surgeons at my hospital.


DPMrick said:
Besides Ortho, how does other medical specialties view and treat DPM residents compare to MD/DO residents?
 
It is good to see a contrasting views. However, I believe that if you work hard at school and get into a great residency program that would offer excellent training, you should be able to make it in the real world. I have several friends from school that are doing quite well. Two of them already broke 100 K in their second year and they are working in Philadelphia. As you know, Philadelphia is very hostile towards all medical professions (high malpractice rates with extreme low insurance reimbursements). The few "former podiatrist / podiatry students" that I personally knew were people who always wanted to be a MD but could not get into medical school. They settle for podiatry school. As I wrote in my previous posting, podiatry school is no substitute for people who truly want to be a MD / DO. If you are truly interested in podiatric profession, then you should go to podiatry school. There are several other podiatry forums that are filled with a lot of negativity. Many of the negative postings are from disgruntle podiatrists. Many of those disgruntle podiatrists should have gone to medical schools because they are MD / DO wanna-be. There are other disgruntle podiatrists who complain that they were screwed out of a decent podiatric surgical residency training because of whatever reasons. Without the surgical training, they are struggling today. Well, those podiatrist can go back and do a podiatric surgical residency program. I know of a few current podiatric surgical residents in the Philly area who went back to do another residency program after being in practice for 5-10 years. I think that if you work hard enough, you should be able to make it in any profession. I commend you (GASDR) on going back to medical school and starting over again. Perhaps, this was the best route for you. I think that if a future podiatry student has fully evaluate the podiatric profession and enjoys it, he / she should pursue the podiatry profession. Podiatry is not for everyone.


GASDR said:
Hi guys (and girls),
I find it encouraging and discouraging that all of you are so pumped about starting podiatry and podiatry school. DPMgrad sounds like he is also pumped and excited about his future career.
I was there once.
Let me fill you in on the reality of the whole situation and maybe save you from years of useless (but excellent) training.
Let me know if this story sounds familiar and if it does maybe you should follow my advice.
I was in premed with not such a spectacular GPA but wanted to go into medicine. A podiatry recruiter somehow got my address, (I think through the MCAT application), and he painted a rosy picture of podiatry : i.e. 40 hr work weeks, being called Dr. and making 140k/yr. It all sounded great, although not something I had considered previously, but hey I would still be called Dr. and I would not have to struggle to get into school.
I bought it, hook, line and sinker. I too was enthusiastic like yourselves, ignoring all the naysayers,thinking that they were all losers and not hardworking.

I have lived the reality. If you want to be a physician, go to MEDICAL SCHOOL!! Do not go to podiatry school!! They are not the same at all. They basic sciences is comparable, but the clinical years are not.
Anyway the point I am trying to make is that if you cannot get into a US medical school, a foreign medical school is an excellent option.

I went back to med school in the caribbean and i am well on my way to being a medical doctor. I no longer have to feel guilty about calling my self a doctor. I wasted 4 years and 160k in loans plus 1 year in an incredibly low paying residency and 4 years of struggle in private practice before I had the nads to go back to med school. Now I am making as an intern what I made as a first year associate in private practice after finishing my podiatry residency.
If you love feet or have a dad who is a pod then go for it. But if you want to be a doctor then eschew podiatry and apply to DO school or med school abroad and be a real doctor. It is logistically somewhat more difficult (harder to get loans and having to move) but in the long run much more satisfying.
Don't take the path of least resistance, follow your dream!
Sorry for the long diatribe, but I am honestly and sincerly trying to prevent some of you from making the same mistake I made.
I am sure that you can tell from the sincerity of my post that I am not trying to flame podiatry but trying to help. If you have any questions, please email me.
 
dpmgrad said:
The view of other medical specialites of DPMs varies from hospital and location. In places where Podiatric Surgery is well established, other medical specialties treat DPMs as the foot and ankle specialist. In other areas where Podiatric Surgery is not well establish, other specialists will view DPMs as physicians who render routine foot care and conservative treatments only.
As for ankle priviledges, it will vary from state to state. For example, DPMs in PA, NJ, DE can operate on ankles. DPMs in CT, NY, MA can not operate on ankles. In my hospital, other medical specialties do view us as being the foot and ankle specialists. This include the orthopedic surgeons in my hospital. We are very fortunate to have such a good relationship with orthopedic surgeons at my hospital.

How can you find out if the podiatric surgery is well established? For your situation, did you know before hand that pods and orthos has such good relationships?
 
There is one main podiatrist that works at the hospital I'm currently at, plus he has a chief resident (I dunno if that's what you call it in podiatry) and another lower year resident. He is basically treated like an orthopedic surgeon by the rest of the physicians, since he knows what he's doing and is a nice guy. I've only met him a few times, but I know he puts on a ****load of ex-fixes.
 
Any prepod students shadow any cool surgeries lately?
All Ive been seeing are bunionectomies and ortho-fixes for a bunion.

Anything?


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Will the military pay for your schooling if you go to podiatry school?
 
ilikemoney said:
Will the military pay for your schooling if you go to podiatry school?

Not sure about Army and Navy. But I know that Air Force does not have a program for pods. I was interested in it and talked on the phone with a recruiter. He said they have pods on staff but they only offer it as employment opportunities and not education.
 
DPMrick said:
Not sure about Army and Navy. But I know that Air Force does not have a program for pods. I was interested in it and talked on the phone with a recruiter. He said they have pods on staff but they only offer it as employment opportunities and not education.

The Army and Navy DO NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAMS AVAILABLE. Someone needs to step up and tell them that there is need in the armed forces for all of those broken ankes during PT and get a scholarship program going. Im down for it, for sure.

jeff
 
For my situation, I knew beforehand about the relationship between the pods and orthos at my hospital. This is one of the reason why I was attracted to my residency program. The best way to ask if podiatric surgery is well established in a hospital is to talk to various podiatrists, orthopds, nurses, family practice, internal medicine docs at the hospital.

DPMrick said:
How can you find out if the podiatric surgery is well established? For your situation, did you know before hand that pods and orthos has such good relationships?
 
GASDR said:
Hi AFVET,
I actually bought a practice in AZ in an underserved area that already had 3 podiatrists in a town of 30k. You cannot go anywhere in the country without intense competition and having continually having to hustle business (another reason I went to medical school). The reason for this is self evident. If you fix the foot problem, you are no longer needed.

You're the idiot for buying a practice in an area of great competition. It's not podiatry's fault. If there were 3 McDonalds in your town and you opened another one and it failed --- you would blame McDonalds Corp????

Yes, you fix the foot problem and you're no longer needed.
An ortho fixes the knee . . . . no longer needed
A gen surgeon does an appendectomy . . . . no longer needed
A dentist does a tooth extraction . . . ditto
A mechanic fixes your muffler . . . . get the point.

As a DPM you are a specialist. If you don't act like a specialist, or aren't as knowledgeable as a specialist ---- you'll likely fail.

If you do your homework you can find plenty of areas that are below the national average of 4.7 DPMs/100,000 people. You opened in an area of 4 DPMs/30,000 people. Go figure.

LCR
 
dpmjeff77 said:
The Army and Navy DO NOT HAVE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAMS AVAILABLE. Someone needs to step up and tell them that there is need in the armed forces for all of those broken ankes during PT and get a scholarship program going. Im down for it, for sure.

jeff

I took up this fight 3-4 years ago. My girlfriend was a Navy HPSP (health professions scholarship program) DO at my school. The military sees DPMs as non-essential because "we have no wartime mission". When I asked them what the wartime mission of a DDS or a DVM was . . . they replied DDS can do triage, DVM is food inspection. I told them DPMs can do triage, perhaps better than DDS.

If that doesn't make you mad enough, the pay is MUCH different. MD/DO make about $90,000 their 1st year out because they get a Medical Corps bonus. DPMs don't get the bonus and make $46,000. So not only will they NOT pay for your school, you don't make enough to pay your loans off.

I passed a resolution through the APMSA which went to the APMA asking to make "equality for military DPM physicians a priority". I worked with Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) to bring this to the Armed Services Committee. I also wrote a letter to VP Dick Cheney which was replied by someone in the Pentagon. They don't find a need for DPMs. How ever much I argued with them . . . broken ankles, heel pain, boot problems --- they didn't listen.

AF Col. Joe Agonstinelli (DPM), told me that he admired my drive, but he's been trying to evoke change for years and the Pentagon won't budge. I didn't listen to him, thought he may have been narrow minded, thought I could get something done - - - - but to no avail. (he was right)

So now, I feel like the pessimist -- telling you not to waste your time . . . ha ha.

If you're seriously interested in trying to reintroduce this issue. PM me, we can talk on the phone and I'll forward you the PAGES of documents I have.

GOOD LUCK!!

LCR
 
I started look into some of the podiatry residencies and realized that most students chose their residencies around the area where they went to school. Is there anybody that go far for hi/her residency?...or go to a residency that is around another pod school?

I also noticed that most people started practices around the area where they did their resdiency.....is this a factor when choosing a residency?
 
As some of you know, I went to the Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine in Philly. Several of my classmates ended up going to residency programs in California, Texas, Chicago. Many of those classmates who went to residency programs outside of Northeast area are people either from those areas or are tired of the Northeast. However, majority of my classmates stayed in the Northeast because they are either from this area or have a situation that does not allow them to relocate at that time (eg. Family). Another major factor why many students stay in areas near the school for residency training is that many of the attendings either teach part time at the school or know of faculty members at the school whom then recommend students to them. Students from the school also sometimes do rotations at some of the areas residency programs. In my residency program, all of the current residents are graduate of Temple. Students from other podiatry school often ask me if my program is partial to Temple. My program is open to students from all podiatry school but since we take only 1 resident a year and majority of our applicants are from Temple (90% of the applicants), the chances are very good in that we will probably end up with a Temple student based on statistics alone. I think that when it is time for you to select a residency program, you need to first decide what you are looking for in a residency program. Are you looking for a 2 year forefoot surgical training program or 3 or more years forefoot and rearfoot surgical training program? Where are you willing to go to do your residency training? (This is very important if you have a spouse or family.) What kind of residency program environment are you looking (high surgical volume, academics, research, etc..)? You also have to be honest with yourself about your grades. If you are in the bottom 1/4 of your class, the chances of you getting top residency programs (such as Northlake (Tucker), West Penn, Seattle, Northern Virginia, etc...) are highly unlikely. As you begin to visit various residency programs, you will begin to develop a feel as to what you are looking for in a residency program. We have some students as early as their second year beginning to visit my residency program. Their rationale is that they want to determine where they would like to do their externships.
As for residency grad staying near the area where they did the residency training, I am not able to comment much on since I am still a resident. I can tell you that many of my former classmates ahead of me usually stay in the area where they did residency training because they have develop connections with many of the practictioners in the surrounding areas. Hence, they are usually able to find out about some of the good job opportunities in the area. In addition, many of residency grad stay in the area because they are not in the position to relocate at the time (eg. family). However, you do have to realize there are people who do move to other places away from the residency training areas to work. I recommend you talk to you several of the recent residency grads and practicing Podiatrists about this subject matter.
If you have any questions, feel free to email me. Good luck.

DPMrick said:
I started look into some of the podiatry residencies and realized that most students chose their residencies around the area where they went to school. Is there anybody that go far for hi/her residency?...or go to a residency that is around another pod school?

I also noticed that most people started practices around the area where they did their resdiency.....is this a factor when choosing a residency?
 
dpmgrad said:
As some of you know, I went to the Temple University School of Podiatric Medicine in Philly. Several of my classmates ended up going to residency programs in California, Texas, Chicago. Many of those classmates who went to residency programs outside of Northeast area are people either from those areas or are tired of the Northeast. However, majority of my classmates stayed in the Northeast because they are either from this area or have a situation that does not allow them to relocate at that time (eg. Family). Another major factor why many students stay in areas near the school for residency training is that many of the attendings either teach part time at the school or know of faculty members at the school whom then recommend students to them. Students from the school also sometimes do rotations at some of the areas residency programs. In my residency program, all of the current residents are graduate of Temple. Students from other podiatry school often ask me if my program is partial to Temple. My program is open to students from all podiatry school but since we take only 1 resident a year and majority of our applicants are from Temple (90% of the applicants), the chances are very good in that we will probably end up with a Temple student based on statistics alone. I think that when it is time for you to select a residency program, you need to first decide what you are looking for in a residency program. Are you looking for a 2 year forefoot surgical training program or 3 or more years forefoot and rearfoot surgical training program? Where are you willing to go to do your residency training? (This is very important if you have a spouse or family.) What kind of residency program environment are you looking (high surgical volume, academics, research, etc..)? You also have to be honest with yourself about your grades. If you are in the bottom 1/4 of your class, the chances of you getting top residency programs (such as Northlake (Tucker), West Penn, Seattle, Northern Virginia, etc...) are highly unlikely. As you begin to visit various residency programs, you will begin to develop a feel as to what you are looking for in a residency program. We have some students as early as their second year beginning to visit my residency program. Their rationale is that they want to determine where they would like to do their externships.
As for residency grad staying near the area where they did the residency training, I am not able to comment much on since I am still a resident. I can tell you that many of my former classmates ahead of me usually stay in the area where they did residency training because they have develop connections with many of the practictioners in the surrounding areas. Hence, they are usually able to find out about some of the good job opportunities in the area. In addition, many of residency grad stay in the area because they are not in the position to relocate at the time (eg. family). However, you do have to realize there are people who do move to other places away from the residency training areas to work. I recommend you talk to you several of the recent residency grads and practicing Podiatrists about this subject matter.
If you have any questions, feel free to email me. Good luck.

Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. I think the consesus is that one should start looking at residencies late 2nd year or early 3rd year. Several people told me that since many residency programs also have externship for 3rd and 4th year students, it's good to rotate through some of those programs that you are interested in doing residency at.
 
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