Gastrectomy, anemia

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Can't remember the details but:

55 year old Japanese man eating pickled fish and leafy vegetables found to have gastric cancer. He undergoes gastric resection and 6 months later is found to have fatigue, pallor, MCV 120, low hematocrit.

Answer was B12 deficiency. 75% (or something) of people chose this. Any care to comment?

(I'm referring to the fact that the liver stores 2-3 years worth of B12 and yet he developed deficiency in 6 months)

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the cancer existed prior to gastrectomy, which could also have impacted b12 metabolism. just amplified post gastrectomy
 
nitrosamines and smoked foods lead to Type A gastritis (autoimmune type affecting the fundus, where the parietal cells are mostly found)
 
Can you remember the other answer choices? With an MCV of 120, there are only two possible choices: B12 deficiency or folate deficiency.
 
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It sounds like from hearing his diet he was B12 deficient due to diet prior to the gastrectomy.

Thought there was B12 in fish. Folate was another answer choice. I chose folate but with no reason other than not B12 because of his stores.

Two possibilities exist: a poorly written question or a fantastic question about depleting your stores early on.

This was a usmlerx question btw.
 
Thought there was B12 in fish. Folate was another answer choice. I chose folate but with no reason other than not B12 because of his stores.

Two possibilities exist: a poorly written question or a fantastic question about depleting your stores early on.

This was a usmlerx question btw.

Just checked on emedicine - while pickled fish is high in B12, frequent consumption predisposes a patient to Diphyllobothrium latum infection (fish tapeworm) which causes B12 deficiency/malabsorption (I did not even think of that - can't take any credit at all).
 
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Thought there was B12 in fish. Folate was another answer choice. I chose folate but with no reason other than not B12 because of his stores.

Two possibilities exist: a poorly written question or a fantastic question about depleting your stores early on.

This was a usmlerx question btw.
Did you just get caught having two different screen names?

Honestly, try not to over think on the test--theyre not trying to trick you.
 
Did you just get caught having two different screen names?

Honestly, try not to over think on the test--theyre not trying to trick you.

haha

a) If I were to try and change screen names to be sneaky I would have chosen one a little more different lol
They're both me.
b) this test always tricks me, just have to know when to over think it and when to not.

I think being able to recognize that B12 is stored for a number of years is an astute observation.
 
I don't know about the test not trying to get you...

there was an OBGYN question centered around the role of penicillin prophylaxis for GBS. the crux of the question required you to know the nitty gritty details of the indications and then centered the question on semantics


Which of the following are indications of intrapartum IV penicillin?

some of the choices said:

"Positive GBS carrier status with...." (wrong because colonization can be transient)

but the answer was "positive rectum culture with negative vaginal culture" because that is one of the hard indications (the others being GBS bacteriuria & previous infant affected)
 
Can't remember the details but:

55 year old Japanese man eating pickled fish and leafy vegetables found to have gastric cancer. He undergoes gastric resection and 6 months later is found to have fatigue, pallor, MCV 120, low hematocrit.

Answer was B12 deficiency. 75% (or something) of people chose this. Any care to comment?

(I'm referring to the fact that the liver stores 2-3 years worth of B12 and yet he developed deficiency in 6 months)

Macrocytic Anemia has THREE possibilities: B12, Folate, and Liver Disease. You must first look at a smear to differentiate between megaloblastic (impaired DNA synthesis) and nonmegaloblastic (liver disease).

Megaloblastic Anemia has two possibilities: B12 and Folate.

I presume you got anemia based on the fatigue and pallor. Oh, and the low crit.

I presume you got macrocytic anemia based on the MCV. This has been pretty easy so far.

Now, your reasoning. You saw not enough time to be B12. And you are right. Usually, it takes years to decades to develop a B12 deficiency. So, you were probably thinking Folate, right? Its only got a couple of weeks in stores, so if its a macrocytic anemia, and only 6 months have gone by, then it must be Folate.

Ok, not bad reasoning. Lets just pause to recognize that we simply ruled out liver disease because we presumed it was megaloblastic (which it probably was).

But why would this person who had a gastrectomy have a folate deficiency. What do you need to have folate absorption? Nothing. Well, an intact proximal small intestine. But thats it. Did he have his small intestine resected? Nope. Is there mention of a tea and toast diet? Nope. So, if the question doesn't say anything about diet, you must presume the diet is normal. If the question doesn't say anything about small bowel resection, you presume it is intact. So, it can't be Folate deficiency.

Ok. Let's look at B12. What do you need to have B12 absorption? You need Intrinsic Factor, which means you need parietal cells, which means you need a stomach. Oh, and a terminal ileum. So, this guy has a gastrectomy. He has NO parietal cells, so NO intrinsic Factor, and so can have NO B12 absorption. So its B12.

Ok. You don't like that explanation? Lets look at it from a practical standpoint. This question is asking: if you do a gastrectomy what is one potential complication you have to worry about? Well, it certainly isnt Folate deficieny. But it IS B12 deficiency.

Ok. you don't like that explanation? Lets use the real world. On average, the body has 2-10 years of b12 stored. In this person he had 6 months supply. Done. Your error was that you put too much stock in timing and not enough stock in mechanism

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