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HEME-ONC

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I was just looking on line at gaswork.com and most of the salaries are in the 350k range. some are even 450k.

How do Gas docs actually bill and get reimbursed?

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Hey man,

I have read all your threads, and it seems clear you are really concerned witht he economic future of anesthesiology. Here's some advice, worth exactly what you're paying for it.

Do an anesthesiology rotation, work hard, be prepared, speak with the residents and attendings. If you find it intellectually stimulating and rewarding, and click with the docs, go for it. If not, move on. You will always make a good living in anesthesiology, but like most fields, cash flow will be up and down. If you want to be golden, do ortho, plastics, or cards.

Contrary to what you may have heard, anesthesiology is not all about the benjamins. Best of luck in your career choices.
 
heme-onc... you are a lost soul.... find something that fascinates you and that will provide you with happiness and financial success...

you post on every forum with most of your questions focusing on lifestyle and income.... while those are important they can't be your main guiding decision...
best paying specialty right now? Spine surgery
best lifestyle specialty right now? dermatology

if you love critical care, fast-paced thinking in bad situations, working in the OR environment, interventional pharmacology and in-depth understanding of cardio-pulmonary-neuro physiology then anesthesia is for you - otherwise stop posting on this forum... it is getting real old
 
This forum is designed for all types of questions. I dont think it was designed for people like you to dictate what questions can be asked and I especially dont think it was designed for you choose who should and who shouldnt post. Wake up my friend there is a world out there that comes with bills to pay and families to raise. I would like to use this forum to research everything I can about my future career so do yourself a favor and dont reply to any of my posts if they bother you so much.
 
HEME-ONC said:
This forum is designed for all types of questions. I dont think it was designed for people like you to dictate what questions can be asked and I especially dont think it was designed for you choose who should and who shouldnt post. Wake up my friend there is a world out there that comes with bills to pay and families to raise. I would like to use this forum to research everything I can about my future career so do yourself a favor and dont reply to any of my posts if they bother you so much.

Way to guarantee people will stop responding to your posts ...
 
heme-onc...

every posting of yours on the anesthesia forum revolves around lifestyle, income and perceived possible competition from CRNAs... so i will be patient and spell the answer out to you (one last time)
1) lifestyle: great - you can sign contracts that give you up to 18 (!) weeks of vacation, no call, no weekends, 8 to 4pm four times a week!!! or if you want to make more money you can do more work
2) pay: great - you start anywhere between 200 and 280k/year (depending on location) and most make partner within 1-3 years and average between 300 and 450k/year.... some do better, but that is usually proportional with work/location/ownership issues

now stop boring me with your posts.... yawnnn.....

ps: "gas docs" bill just like any other procedural "doc" based on weighted relative units and insurance cos/medicare reimburse based on those units... ie: a thoracic epidural placement is 7 units and medicare pays 19$/unit and blue cross pays between 30-60$/unit depending on where you live... (rough number estimates)
 
HEME-ONC said:
This forum is designed for all types of questions. I dont think it was designed for people like you to dictate what questions can be asked and I especially dont think it was designed for you choose who should and who shouldnt post. Wake up my friend there is a world out there that comes with bills to pay and families to raise. I would like to use this forum to research everything I can about my future career so do yourself a favor and dont reply to any of my posts if they bother you so much.


I agree.... if u dont care for what ppl are asking, just dont respond...
 
bababuey said:
I agree.... if u dont care for what ppl are asking, just dont respond...
Asking a question, any question appropriate to the fourm, is certainly okay and not something anyone here would disagree with. Repeatedly asking about lifestyle/income when the topic has been addressed multiple times, and in multiple forums, reflects badly on Heme-Onc. It is starting to look like an unhealthy obsession. The "I'm allowed to ask any question I want" defense doesn't address this point. The fact that he got so defensive when Temesma called him a "lost soul" further raises suspicion about his motives and maturity level.
 
HEME-ONC said:
This forum is designed for all types of questions. I dont think it was designed for people like you to dictate what questions can be asked and I especially dont think it was designed for you choose who should and who shouldnt post. Wake up my friend there is a world out there that comes with bills to pay and families to raise. I would like to use this forum to research everything I can about my future career so do yourself a favor and dont reply to any of my posts if they bother you so much.

I would not tell you not to post because that is your right within certain boundries. However, I think that you will get more out of this forum if you were to refocus your attention on what should be your biggest concern. At this point in your career you should be trying to figure which specialty is best suited to your interests and abilities. It doesn't take long to figure out which physician enjoys what he/she does. Docs who enjoy what they do take their respective specialties to a higher level. They keep up with the latest developments and don't complain when they have to see a patient. You can spot the physicians who are overly concerned with money. They are always complaining about this and that.

Your job at this point is to find out what besides money makes you tick. What type of patient setting do you prefer to work in.

I know a doc who makes^ 700k/year. This guy has to work so hard to make so much money that he's a bad dad, bad husband and unfortunately a bad physician. I avoid this guy because I don't want to hear him complain about how "bad" medicine is. Guys like this never liked medicine. Their plan was to work hard and retire early. The problem is that they make everyone miserable along the way. They dump on everyone in their path. No specialty wants people like this. They are bad for morale and patient care.

I am not judging you but others have and will continue to do so if you don't find something more substantive to discuss.

CambieMD
 
HEME-ONC said:
This forum is designed for all types of questions. I dont think it was designed for people like you to dictate what questions can be asked and I especially dont think it was designed for you choose who should and who shouldnt post. Wake up my friend there is a world out there that comes with bills to pay and families to raise. I would like to use this forum to research everything I can about my future career so do yourself a favor and dont reply to any of my posts if they bother you so much.

Most of what everyone is trying to say is that money can't make you happy, it can make you smile real big, but can't make you happy. You can enter a field for a perceived big paycheck and be absolutely miserable for your entire career and just imagine how you will feel if the paychecks get cut in half or into a third. If they did, would you still desire to be in that occupation? If the answer is no, then you want to look elsewhere! That is the take-home message everyone is attempting to give you.

Besides, lets face it, if you don't think you can survive on $200K/year, you might want to consider modifying your expenses. 🙄 Practically any physician worth his salt will earn this and many will earn multiples of this.
 
blocks said:
Hey man,
Contrary to what you may have heard, anesthesiology is not all about the benjamins. Best of luck in your career choices.

Oh yes it is!!!! Where have you been your whole life.. Anesthesiologists are some of the greediest bastards out there
 
🙁 So HEME-ONC is focused on getting paid, oh well that's really his prerogative. Personally, I need to be able to tolerate my co-workers…..call me crazy…but I had to laugh about some of the responses….. “lack of maturity,…..lost soul…” you have to be kidding me! I’m sorry there is not one individual here that can truthful bring judgment on what his merit and motivation is. In all honesty if you don’t like the question, don’t respond and get on with your life.
And to HEME-ONC, dude if you don’t like what your doing, no amount of money can make up for the daily pain of pursuing a career that you despise… take the time and choose wisely

-Peace
 
bignursemd said:
🙁 So HEME-ONC is focused on getting paid, oh well that's really his prerogative. Personally, I need to be able to tolerate my co-workers…..call me crazy…but I had to laugh about some of the responses….. “lack of maturity,…..lost soul…” you have to be kidding me! I’m sorry there is not one individual here that can truthful bring judgment on what his merit and motivation is. In all honesty if you don’t like the question, don’t respond and get on with your life.
And to HEME-ONC, dude if you don’t like what your doing, no amount of money can make up for the daily pain of pursuing a career that you despise… take the time and choose wisely

-Peace

I think you missed the point, Slim. There are many regular posters here and when one comes on the board and is incessantly asking the same question over and over, it gets a little un-nerving.
And yeah, I agree with you that if you don't like the post, "don't respond and get on with your life." But, uh, this is an internet anesthesia web site, and people like to respond to posts.
 
Justin4563 said:
Oh yes it is!!!! Where have you been your whole life.. Anesthesiologists are some of the greediest bastards out there

Lets see- "anesthesiologists are some of the greediest bastards out there".........heh heh.....I don't consider myself greedy, and I certainly don't consider myself a bastard.

You've got a JD, I see. I think as a whole your former/latter profession would hit the mark of your descriptive terms much better than anesthesiologists.
 
jetproppilot said:
I think you missed the point, Slim. There are many regular posters here and when one comes on the board and is incessantly asking the same question over and over, it gets a little un-nerving.
And yeah, I agree with you that if you don't like the post, "don't respond and get on with your life." But, uh, this is an internet anesthesia web site, and people like to respond to posts.
Ok last post…since this is turning into a 3rd grade pissing fight. First I honestly don’t care if you’re a “regular poster”, newbie, or freak off the street, it doesn’t give you the right to blast someone out of the water for their questions , no matter how absurd or annoying. There is such a thing as freedom of speech…or maybe you skipped that part of the lesson
jetproppilot
.As long as it is an open forum for discussion he or she can post what they want (within limits) And frankly I think I hit the nail on the head, my two cents J and sorry the name isn’t SLIM!
peace. :laugh:
 
Even freaks off the street have the right to blast folks for posting anything.


EDIT:
I would like to mention the ever so functional & novel IGNORE function. Check it under "User CP" in upper left hand corner.
 
From bignursemd -- "dude if you don’t like what your doing, no amount of money can make up for the daily pain of pursuing a career that you despise"

So true. HEME-ONC may want to review some of the posts left by scrubs. This is what he posted under a thread called "switching into anesthesiology":

From scrubs --

I would just like to put in my two cents..?

This is the first time I am writing in the SDN forum, so please bear with me!

I am currently a first-year anesthesia resident at a major university hospital in Chicago, and I am actually going to try to switch to medicine. Let me give you my synpopsis of the pros and cons of this field:

THE CONS:
1) The most important negative, I feel, about this specialty is that it is exceptionally stressful. You sit at the patient's bedside monitoring vital signs and constantly wait for bad things to happen - a drop in their oxygen saturation, hypertension, or worse hypotension, tachycardia, bradycardia, etc. It is exhausting constantly being on your guard to be able to react immediately if something should go wrong. It is like being a critical care nurse in all honesty. Granted things go well 95% of the time, but you can not be complacent.

2) You are not autonomous in your practice. Much of what you do is in an attempt to make the surgeon happy. You must get their consent for many things (using muscle relaxants, starting lines that could get in their way, etc.), and they always manage to be in your way. It's not their fault, it's just the way things are.

3) There is absolutely no respect from anyone in the OR - not the patient, not the nurses, not the surgeon, not the surgery residents or medical students, and where I work, often not the anesthesia attendings. Nobody appreciates what you do. An operation for a very sick patient could go by perfectly smoothly (while you transfuse blood, hang fluids, draw arterial blood gases or draw blood for labs, push pressors, etc) and the only one who know that you have done any of this is you. No one else will care or remember. In this field, you can not be the kind of person who needs external reward (i.e., patients thankfulness or other colleagues appreciation of your work).

4) As much as I would not like to believe it, you are completely replaceable - by another resident, by an attending, by a nurse anesthetist, or even a well-trained medical student. I have been amazed with the degree of ease that nurse anesthetists manage such cases as open heart surgery, liver/kidney transplants, and neurosurgery. Believe me, MD's, as much as I hate to admit it, are completely replaceable in this field.

5) You are in the OR all the time. This may seem like a plus, and I thought it would be, but it can get almost claustrophobic being in 1 room for 12 hours a day. I get up at 4:45 am everyday to be in the OR at 6am. I leave anywhere from 5-7pm. I get a (strict) 15 minute break to leave the OR between 9-10 am, and I get a (strict) 30 minute lunch break between 11-1. Other than those 45 minutes I am in one room the whole day. This schedule is actually pretty common (check out www.scutwork.com, where other anesthesia residents evaluate their programs). The surgeons are busy doing their work and the nurses are helping them, so you don't even talk or discuss things with other people. It's actually almost lonely in a way...

5) You must enjoy reading about pharmacology (the pharmacokinetics of drugs - their half-lives, vapor pressures of gases, etc.) and physics (the physics of gas flows, the mechanics of how the machine works, etc.).

So having told you those negatives, let me give you some positives...
THE PROS:

1) We only have call 3 times per month, which is very nice. This may be a little less than most programs, however.

2) When call is over, you leave at 7-8 am. That is a really nice feeling! BUT if you are up all night with trauma patients (or any patient for that matter) transfusing blood, drawiing blood gases, pushing pressors, etc., you will f\eel the need to collapse at that point ...

3) When you are on, you are on, when you are off, you are off - you do not have to keep your pager on when you are outside the hospital. You will not get paged unless you are on call.

4) The future MIGHT get better after residency if you don't mind the cons I listed above. More importantly, at least you will be paid better as an attending. The question is, will you like what you are doing well enough that you will want to do it full-time to make a living.

So those are my feelings (sorry if it took me a long time to get through it). For most people no one field is perfect, so you must find what it is you really like. Anesthesia is a good field, but you have to really like basic sciences and must be willing to be very adaptable (to be subservient?) to surgeons to be happy in this field.

The only good advice I can give to anyone is to spend A LOT of time (including taking call) on a rotation doing whatever it is you think might interest you. That will give you some idea a) if you like it, b) of what it will be like in the future.

I hope this has helped, please let me know if I can provide any other information!

Good luck in your endeavors...
 
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