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hey guyz,,,i just wanted to say how hard quantum mechanics is and wanted your guys thoughts on it, and how ya'll did in that class, i'm really doin good in the class, but now we're on quantum mechanics and shrodiners equation and itz just hard as hell, how much of this stuff will reappear later, such as the mcat or gen chem 2 or organic? your guys sagely advice is always apprecited
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dapmp91 said:
hey guyz,,,i just wanted to say how hard quantum mechanics is and wanted your guys thoughts on it, and how ya'll did in that class, i'm really doin good in the class, but now we're on quantum mechanics and shrodiners equation and itz just hard as hell, how much of this stuff will reappear later, such as the mcat or gen chem 2 or organic? your guys sagely advice is always apprecited
this is me right now------ 😱
Haha...you certainly won't ever have to derive electron cloud probability density functions on the MCAT, if that is what you're asking. I guess you can expect the same type of stuff in your school's gchem 2 class if you're already dealing with it in gchem 1, but it won't be in ochem. And I think all the quantum you need to know for the MCAT is about energy levels and how electrons fill up the valence shell...if even that.
 
dapmp91 said:
hey guyz,,,i just wanted to say how hard quantum mechanics is and wanted your guys thoughts on it, and how ya'll did in that class, i'm really doin good in the class, but now we're on quantum mechanics and shrodiners equation and itz just hard as hell, how much of this stuff will reappear later, such as the mcat or gen chem 2 or organic? your guys sagely advice is always apprecited
this is me right now------ 😱

Pretty much none of it appears later. You only need the basic knowledge of quantum theory, mechanics for the MCAT. I saw no quantum mechanics in my gen chem 2 or organic. I think they feed you some of that stuff in gen chem 1 to plant the seeds for chemistry majors who will study that stuff in depth. I hate that stuff and thats why I chose not to pursue chemistry.
 
Gen chem 2 is all about Kinetics, equilibrium, acids/bases, entropy, and some thermo
 
you will more than likely NEVER see the schrodinger on an MCAT beyond a passage asking you a relatively simple electron diagram. You'll never need to know the Calc behind it...I personally purged my 2 semesters of PChem after each final. You'll have to think about the different orbital shapes in orgo a little bit with some of the reaction types, as well as energy levels for understanding various types of spectroscopy, but nothing beyond the rudiments. Practice makes perfect in Gen Chem, so try to run through a problem set with a chem major or someone who can explain it better than the PhD level P Chemists who wrote your book. good luck
 
Bluntman said:
Haha...you certainly won't ever have to derive electron cloud probability density functions on the MCAT, if that is what you're asking. I guess you can expect the same type of stuff in your school's gchem 2 class if you're already dealing with it in gchem 1, but it won't be in ochem. And I think all the quantum you need to know for the MCAT is about energy levels and how electrons fill up the valence shell...if even that.

VSEPR, Afbau, Pauli Exclusion principles is probably what you mean?
 
The only way you would see quantum mechanics explicitly on the MCAT is if it shows up in a physical science passage. As such, most of the info that you'll need will be in the passage. Just having a familiarity with the subject is all you'll need going into the test.

P.S. If Schrodinger's cat bothers you when you take the MCAT, will you kill it or let it live?
 
OctoDoc said:
The only way you would see quantum mechanics explicitly on the MCAT is if it shows up in a physical science passage. As such, most of the info that you'll need will be in the passage. Just having a familiarity with the subject is all you'll need going into the test.

P.S. If Schrodinger's cat bothers you when you take the MCAT, will you kill it or let it live?


And don't forget about the evil topic of buffers....
 
You may not believe it, but gen chem has been very helpful for me in med school (not so much gen chem 1). Buffers, kinetics, equilibrium...all great stuff when thinking of why certain meds work the way they do. It is really a good foundation for you future...not so much electron densities and such but you will see it pay off eventually.

If you don't believe me...You don't take ASA (or anything other organic acid drugs) w/ TUMS b/c of the kinetics and buffering that occur...I won't bore you w/ the details, but it is actually kind of interesting.
 
Will we really have to know VSEPR, geometry shapes and all that physical molecule rubbish for the MCAT?
 
The quantum that you learn in gen chem doesn't begin to describe it.
 
The business about Schrodinger's cat (called the Schrodinger Paradox) is this:

(from http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/kids_space/scat.html&edu=high )

"A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following diabolical device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of one hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges and through a relay releases a hammer which shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The first atomic decay would have poisoned it. The Psi function for the entire system would express this by having in it the living and the dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts. It is typical of these cases that an indeterminacy originally restricted to the atomic domain becomes transformed into macroscopic indeterminacy, which can then be resolved by direct observation." -- Erwin Schrodinger
Translation by John D. Trimmer

Basically what Schrodinger is saying is that because of the way the experiment is set up, the cat has a 50% chance of being alive, and a 50% chance of being dead. It is just as likely that the cat is alive as that it is dead, so Schrodinger said that until the box is opened, the cat is both alive and dead. This is obviously false, the cat cannot be both alive and dead at the same time. This problem is meant to illustrate a theory of quantum mechanics called "indeterminacy." Indeterminacy says that there can be more than one correct answer to a problem which physically can only have one answer.

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(me, now) Stated another way, if you don't look into the box, the cat is in a state of indeterminacy. It is both alive and dead, at the same time. By looking into the box, you force the system into choosing one of two outcomes. Interference by the observer changes the system to a state of determinacy - one of the choices becomes concrete reality.

The whole business of paradoxes in quantum theory goes away when you realize that common sense has no place in quantum theory. Common sense is a filter with which people view the world. And, as with all filters, what gets through is either incomplete or changed. Unfortunately for Schrodinger, he didn't abandon common sense, and used his example to show that he believed there was something wrong with quantum theory.
 
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