Gen Residency Moderation Poll

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Has the moderation in this forum been too excessive?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 40.8%
  • No

    Votes: 29 59.2%

  • Total voters
    49
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Recently there have been a rash of moved threads and threads that have been entirely locked down in this forum for questionable reasons. I have found this to create an inhibitory environment where members are reluctant to participate, myself included. Sometimes we choose to post here because we are interested in hearing what other regular members who frequent this forum have to say rather than the ultra leftsts or rightwingers on the sociopolitical forum for example. With the exception of outright vulgar language, personal attacks, or a topic from a newbie completely off topic (how do I get into a Romanian podiatry school?) I was wondering who would be in favor of toning down (way down) the moderation in this forum?
 
Recently there have been a rash of moved threads and threads that have been entirely locked down in this forum for questionable reasons. I have found this to create an inhibitory environment where members are reluctant to participate, myself included. Sometimes we choose to post here because we are interested in hearing what other regular members who frequent this forum have to say rather than the ultra leftsts or rightwingers on the sociopolitical forum for example. With the exception of outright vulgar language, personal attacks, or a topic from a newbie completely off topic (how do I get into a Romanian podiatry school?) I was wondering who would be in favor of toning down (way down) the moderation in this forum?

I don't know what posts got moved that you are upset about (and I'm not involved in moderating this board), but from your tag it appears you aren't even a "resident", so the focus of this board isn't going to be what interests "you" anyway -- you aren't the target audience of this board. In general, if it's not a topic that would be of interest to folks in residency, or a resident level question about residency, it is fair game to be moved. Topics about medicine generally, or questions from those not yet in residency, or those well beyond residency simply are most often better suited to other boards. This isn't akin to deleting the post -- just moving it to the forum to which it best belongs. Otherwise boards get overrun with questions that don't really relate, and the "general residency" board soon becomes the "politics of medicine" board, or the "premed who hasn't researched a thing about medicine as a career board". There are simply better forums on SDN for those kinds of questions, and so mods move questions that they feel don't fit the particular forum on which it was posted. It's not the same as deleting a post -- people who are interested are free to follow that link to other boards or find that topic on other boards. That they don't doesn't make the moderating inappropriate, it just means your topic isn't deemed well geared toward the audience you sought. That being said, I have no idea which posts you think have been moved inappropriately.

At any rate, it's bad form to call out mods -- if you have an issue with a specific mod's actions, use the PM function in private with the appropriate mods for that board, don't try to start something on the board with a poll, etc. Folks who moderate on SDN are doing it of their own time for free, trying to give you a nice place to discuss on topic topics without having to dig through tons of spam and off topic threads. If you have ideas of how things can be better, work with them -- don't lash out and try to rile the other posters up.
 
FWIW, I tend to think that the OP is usually full of shizzle and, if I had to guess, s/he and I agree on nothing. Except this.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Our recently appointed moderator is remarkably heavy handed with the locks, moves and probations. I look to this board as a place to discuss issues relevant to all house staff, not just issues about residency in particular. It seems to me that any thread not about residency specifically has been moved or locked down recently and, for the 3 years I was here before the current mod came on board, this didn't really seem to cause much trouble.

Waiting for my ban by a humorless mod in 3...2...1....
 
... I look to this board as a place to discuss issues relevant to all house staff, not just issues about residency in particular. ...

Um, no -- it's the general "residency" board, not the "house staff" board. That you want it to be otherwise doesn't make it so. The board is clearly identified as such.

I see no problem with having a board that focuses on this stage of training. There are specialty boards which are better suited for folks who have moved past residency and no longer have as much in common with the residency crowd, and there are other boards better suited for politics or business of medicine topics. If you want to discuss residency issues, this is the right board. If you want to discuss something else, go to the appropriate board, or your post will end up moved there. There's nothing particularly problematic with this system.
 
Um, no -- it's the general "residency" board, not the "house staff" board. That you want it to be otherwise doesn't make it so. The board is clearly identified as such.

I see no problem with having a board that focuses on this stage of training. There are specialty boards which are better suited for folks who have moved past residency and no longer have as much in common with the residency crowd, and there are other boards better suited for politics or business of medicine topics. If you want to discuss residency issues, this is the right board. If you want to discuss something else, go to the appropriate board, or your post will end up moved there. There's nothing particularly problematic with this system.

That said, the board has functioned as I described it for as long as I've been here without too much trouble. And I would argue that student loan debt/deferment, healthcare reform and encroachment of mid-levels on physician training and practice are all issues of interest/importance to all residents. Moving those threads to backwater boards does everyone a disservice, even if the OP's (medicinesux for the most part) intention was just to cause trouble (which I contend that it usually is).
 
So, one can whine about the moderation if they so choose....
However, I was just reviewing some of the

Closed Threads:

"hot med students ["Would you??"]" http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=681135

"Top 3 Things you wish IMG's would change about themselves" http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=676952

"Most ridiculous ER consult" (OP requested closure) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=680713

"Mt Sinai slapped with lawsuit for wrongful death, gross negligence, recklessness" (appears as OP double posted) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=679109


Moved Threads:

"Why make 150K when you can make 75K???" (moved to finance & discussion continued there) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=680778

"After J1 Visa Residency...?" ("Merged the OP's two threads (which were on similar and related topics)." ) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=679286

"Difficulty of admissions into research internships HHMI cloister program, etc." (not sure why it was moved to the Residency Forum) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=679868


Kind of tired looking at them.... IMHO, I don't see heavy hands in the moderation. I actually see someone putting some effort into assuring appropriate placement of topics within the appropriate forums... and elimination of threads that really are divisive or innapropriate. Again my opinion, but just because you like visiting a certain forum does not mean that forum is the correct venue for every topic you like or enjoy discussing. If your topic is transferred, you can always follow it.... I don't know how many forums there are here in SDN.... but sure seems like there are plenty, at least enough for everyone to post in appropriate topic/subject areas.

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I think the quality of discussion can be measured in the number of "banned" individuals with 500 + postings showing up in threads. With no lenience, there will be no interesting discussion. I wish there was a similar board with the potential of outcompeting sdn, because it is always a wee bit bothersome calling up my ISP to have them hand out a new IP address. Apart from that, it's no big deal rly, you just don't have to get attached to your nickname if u wanna discuss freely.

I've never quite understood what's the big deal with cussing. They are emphasizers. After 9/11, there was an immense focus on american politics in media, and suddenly I realized that the hollywood movies I was spoonfed as a child, weren't really representative for american ppl. And I thought y'all were as laidback as Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop. 25 years on, you are still coming across as conservative, religious, anal-retentive zealots. Oh, the disappointment. Why can't there be a british medical forum equal in size to this crap? They might be sickeningly snobbish, but they still can handle a bit of f-words.
 
To be fair, this forum has not had an official Moderator until recently. I served as de facto Mod in the interim, as did several other staff members. So it would not be suprising that there appears to be more Moderation as of late.

Ideally, we want SDN users to self-moderate and only have staff involvement when it comes to porn, spam and the like. Clearly, this is not possible, especially with some politically charged topics and offensive users, but it is the goal of the staff.

I'd ask the users to understand that being a Moderator is difficult, especially for newer staff members. For most actions, there will be users who agree with you, and those who vociferously disagree. Sometimes there is no clear cut right or wrong. All of us are volunteers, and full time students, residents or busy attendings.

We appreciate your input and do ask that if there are complaints, that these be directed to the staff member in question rather than calling them out. If the issue cannot be handled with the staff member in question, then it should be bumped up to an Admistrative staff member. Calling people out is not cool, regardless of whether its a staff member or regular user.

So in the end, all of us are learning, some more than others and mistakes will be made. These are not personal vendettas and if you feel you've been treated unfairly, then please let us know. Admin staff try not to overrule the decisions of Moderators, but we also can discuss hot topics as a group and come up with some guidelines which seem to work best.

Profanity is not prohibited per se, but some words are filtered because SDN allows members as young as 13. We have a duty to protect our younger and more sensitive users. One does not need to use profanity, IMHO, to make a point. We actually have relaxed our rules about profane language over the years.

Our aim is not to ban users, but post counts and longevity on SDN, are not protectors from those who violate the TOS. It would be unfair to allow someone to do so just because they have "500+ posts". The TOS states the expectations of SDN and users are warned and infracted before they are banned (unless they are a known return bannee). Users generally like to make the staff decisions more black and white than they really are.

And as noted above, sometimes threads are better moved to a different forum. There are appropriate forums for most topics - some cross the fora lines and others are better suited for TIH, SP and other forums. This is not to say that information about practice reimbursement or student loans are not of interest to residents; they obviously are, but there are forums for those topics. SDN is not designed to be the forum or grandstand for those with axes to grind but we also do not wish to stifle conversation. If a misplaced topic is moved and is of interest enough to other users, they will follow it to the "less visited" forums. Redirect links are provided for users to do so.

As always, its a work in progress.
 
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We appreciate your input
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and do ask that if there are complaints, that these be directed to the staff member in question rather than calling them out.
..because that is a lot more comfortable to us, seeing as we can then get rid of you without much noise...

Calling people out is not cool, regardless of whether its a staff member or regular user.
I disagree. Go Medicinesux!!!!

So in the end, all of us are learning, some more than others and mistakes will be made.
Well, I guess some personalities can be called mistakes...

These are not personal vendettas
..riiiiiiight

and if you feel you've been treated unfairly, then please let us know.
...so we can give you a bit of animal farm treatment...

Admin staff try not to overrule the decisions of Moderators
gee, who would've guessed. 😀

but we also can discuss hot topics as a group and come up with some guidelines which seem to work best.
Yes, absolute freedom, as long as sdn doesn't need to fear legal action, is the preferable course.

Profanity is not prohibited per se, but some words are filtered because SDN allows members as young as 13.
I watched Bruce Willis riddle bad guys with bullets back when I was way younger than that...

We have a duty to protect our younger and more sensitive users.
Seeing as there is a huge statistical association between use of vulgar words, and development of vulgar-word-progressive-sclerosing-encephalopathy...

One does not need to use profanity, IMHO, to make a point.
But I still do...

We actually have relaxed our rules about profane language over the years.
Yeah, I can hardly imagine what nice and gullible ppl were enforcing rules here, back when you started out.

Our aim is not to ban users, but post counts and longevity on SDN, are not protectors from those who violate the TOS. It would be unfair to allow someone to do so just because they have "500+ posts".
It still serves as a great indication of the lenience. How about turning the tables, and allow the sub-500+ posters more slack, then? Fact is, that I hardly see any other fora where a similar amount of large-posters lying slain around.

The TOS states the expectations of SDN and users are warned and infracted before they are banned (unless they are a known return bannee).
Yeah, moderator first starts out baiting a little - hoping to get an aggressive reaction in return, so they can ban the bastard in question. And when that doesn't work out, they put the user under the microscope, and do their best to find something to put on him-- and if that doesn't work out - well what the [nice word], rules are for loserz anywayz. Mod power!!!

Users generally like to make the staff decisions more black and white than they really are.
"staff decisions" = moderator pms.

Redirect links are provided for users to do so.
Which is good.

As always, its a work in progress.
Progressing towards more bans and moderator-retaliation.
 
As a newly-appointed moderator here one of my responsibilities will be to help decide which threads are appropriate (1) for this forum, or (2) to stay open.

It's always been my philosophy to try and follow a minimalist approach - that is, unless there's obvious, blatant TOS violations or an OP makes a request, that threads stay open and inevitably be allowed to fade away onto Page 2. Those that have active discussion/debate - within reason - tend to be monitored closely but not closed, at least from my perspective.

The addressing of "Residency"-only issues is an often confusing point of contention. At times pre-meds or med students will start new threads directed at asking residents specific questions (e.g. "Which med schools should I apply to if I'm interested in Plastic Surgery?"). Those threads I invariably move to Pre-Allo since they deal with pre-med issues - the intended target audience is other pre-meds, with med students/residents/fellows/attendings being able to chip in whenever they decide to wander into the Pre-Allo forum.
 
My general thoughts about these forums based on my past experiences. If you're getting really worked up about moderation, you're spending too much time here.
 
As a newly-appointed moderator here one of my responsibilities will be to help decide which threads are appropriate (1) for this forum, or (2) to stay open.

It's always been my philosophy to try and follow a minimalist approach - that is, unless there's obvious, blatant TOS violations or an OP makes a request, that threads stay open and inevitably be allowed to fade away onto Page 2. Those that have active discussion/debate - within reason - tend to be monitored closely but not closed, at least from my perspective.

The addressing of "Residency"-only issues is an often confusing point of contention. At times pre-meds or med students will start new threads directed at asking residents specific questions (e.g. "Which med schools should I apply to if I'm interested in Plastic Surgery?"). Those threads I invariably move to Pre-Allo since they deal with pre-med issues - the intended target audience is other pre-meds, with med students/residents/fellows/attendings being able to chip in whenever they decide to wander into the Pre-Allo forum.


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Did you seriously write in your original post that you're finding yourself reluctant to participate? Are you sure? Shouldn't reluctance imply lack of posting? What are you holding back?
 
Did you seriously write in your original post that you're finding yourself reluctant to participate? Are you sure? Shouldn't reluctance imply lack of posting? What are you holding back?


Oh I am holding back alright. I would've been banned a long time ago on SDN if this wasn't the case. I also would've been thrown out of my residency program on DAY 2 if I didn't know when and how to shut it. And Norma Rae is one of my American heroes.


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To h3ll with unions. No mafia. Minimal government. Minimal rules. Freedom.
 
Oh I am holding back alright. I would've been banned a long time ago on SDN if this wasn't the case. I also would've been thrown out of my residency program on DAY 2 if I didn't know when and how to shut it. And Norma Rae is one of my American heroes.

Posting anonymous diatribes on internet forums is surely on parallel with the struggles of Norma Rae, Gandhi, Mandela, etc. Maybe someday you will be recognized as the true visionary and rebel that you are. I sure am glad there are people like you (and others) here to fight the good fight and keep it all real, even if 90% of what you and I and others say appears to be hyperbole if not completely full of crap.

Might I posit that moderators really don't give a crap about your rebellious nature or whatever it is you self-style yourself as? I think moderators are just trying to keep things organized, keep things reasonably civil while allowing open discourse, and keep as many users as possible happy. In my experience forums go down the ****ter if there are no rules - posts become 50% inside jokes, 30% flame wars, 10% troll posts and 10% legitimate questions, most of which are ignored because they get lost in the inside jokes.
 
...In my experience forums go down the ****ter if there are no rules - posts become 50% inside jokes, 30% flame wars, 10% troll posts and 10% legitimate questions, most of which are ignored because they get lost in the inside jokes.

I think you can find no shortage of examples of this over in the Lounge board.

Moderation is a necessary evil when providing a civil, topic specific board, and mods aren't trying to squelch discussion, but rather to keep it well organized in the most appropriate forum board. There will always be folks who disagree with how the board is organized, and the steps mods take to keep it that way. But everyone is doing his/her best to work within the framework that exists, to provide a well organized, uncluttered, topic specific forum.

In any group of 1000, there will be a couple of dissenters, folks who don't like the way things work. Guess what, OP -- that's you. That doesn't mean the board isn't working well for the remaining super-majority. If your posts keep getting moved to other forums, odds are that you are posting in the wrong forum, as things are currently organized. The best solution is probably to just accept that fact and post in the more appropriate forum, rather than calling out mods in a poll. The next best solution would be to privately PM the mod who moved your post in private. Trying to stir up the forum with a public poll thread without trying to understand/work things out in private first isn't being Norma Rae, it's more like being Jerry Springer.
 
The next best solution would be to privately PM the mod who moved your post in private. Trying to stir up the forum with a public poll thread without trying to understand/work things out in private first isn't being Norma Rae, it's more like being Jerry Springer.

Love how you make flying accusations when you don't have a clue. For your information, I did PM the previous mod to address this manner. I will not relay our discussion in public but when my concerns were essentially dismissed and than other posters began voicing similar concerns, I decided to post the poll. If this is "riling" up the masses, ala Jerry Springer, then you are gravely mistaken.
 
For your information, I did PM the previous mod to address this manner. I will not relay our discussion in public but when my concerns were essentially dismissed and than other posters began voicing similar concerns, I decided to post the poll.

They were not "essentially dismissed." You just didn't like the answer.

If the other posters had an issue with it, I would appreciate it if they said something to either me or Buzz Me. I read these forums daily, and I hadn't seen anyone else say anything.
 
I agree with medicinesux that there have been problems with excessive "moderation" activity. However I think the leadership at SDN has been looking hard at this issue and I have noted significant improvement in the past week. I think the current leadership team seems to be addressing the issue.
 
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Love how you make flying accusations when you don't have a clue. For your information, I did PM the previous mod to address this manner. I will not relay our discussion in public but when my concerns were essentially dismissed and than other posters began voicing similar concerns, I decided to post the poll. If this is "riling" up the masses, ala Jerry Springer, then you are gravely mistaken.

See smq's post above. My point was that it should never ever have come to a public poll where you are calling out mods. So, you pursued the appropriate avenue to lodge your complaint, but that doesn't mean you ultimately have to prevail, and apparently in this case you didn't. That should be the end of the story. The problem here is that you are unwilling to concede the possibility that your view is not the right one. You assume that if you don't like the result, then you need to escalate things. This is VERY Jerry Springer.
 
See smq's post above. My point was that it should never ever have come to a public poll where you are calling out mods. So, you pursued the appropriate avenue to lodge your complaint, but that doesn't mean you ultimately have to prevail, and apparently in this case you didn't. That should be the end of the story. The problem here is that you are unwilling to concede the possibility that your view is not the right one. You assume that if you don't like the result, then you need to escalate things. This is VERY Jerry Springer.

I am no longer going to go back and forth with you Law2Doc. There are way more important things going on in medicine that I'd rather discuss than argue with the etiquette police on whether some silly poll is appropriate, shows "poor form", and is going to create some wild brawl you would only see on Jerry Springer! And please don't insinuate that I am alone in my concerns, nearly 40% agree with my view which is "not the right one". You have your view, I have my view, others have their views....there is no "right one". I will not be rebutting your rebuttal. See ExPCM's last post for my closing thoughts on this matter.
 
I agree with medicinesux that there have been problems with excessive "moderation" activity. However I think the leadership at SDN has been looking hard at this issue and I have noted significant improvement in the past week. I think the current leadership team seems to be addressing the issue.

I retract my statement above about the moderation improving. I think doing a one week residency to become a doctor (DNP) versus doing 3-7 year residencies is a very pertinent issue to residents yet that thread was moved. I can see that when you give some moderators a hammer (the ability to move threads) then too many threads start to look to them like nails.
 
seriously- what the hell is up with the moderation in this forum?!? I haven't posted on here in forever but that "1 week residency" topic is something that I think really would need to belong here. i'm not going to go to the nurse practitioner forum because i don't really give a crap about that, but would read about it here because i've heard them give actual residents crap about how they "also do residencies". I personally feel that smq123 has to chill out hardcore on that trigger finger- moving threads, closing threads, etc. i remember reading posts from k cox basically saying that moderation was designed to basically cull the grossly inappropriate? and furthermore, enough people read this forum anyway to self-moderate and b*tchslap individuals who make inappropriate posts en masse.
 
You guys whine a lot. I take it you think this forum is your own personal soapbox to educate the ignorant masses about why they should abandon their fledgling careers before they accumulate even more debt? The forum title is for "general residency issues" which is pretty vague, but I don't think it's intended as a wastebasket forum. A lot of the stuff you don't want to have moved is in fact more suited to other forums. If your target audience doesn't read those forums as much as you would like, then work harder and encourage them to post there.

Did you even read the most recent moved thread after it got moved? Because I just looked at it, and you got a lot better responses after it got moved. I agree it probably didn't have to be moved, but from the way the first message you posted was constructed it looked like you were looking for information on this program and whether it was legitimate. How is the moderator supposed to know you are looking to organize a posse and hunt down DNPs?
 
You guys whine a lot. I take it you think this forum is your own personal soapbox to educate the ignorant masses about why they should abandon their fledgling careers before they accumulate even more debt? The forum title is for "general residency issues" which is pretty vague, but I don't think it's intended as a wastebasket forum. A lot of the stuff you don't want to have moved is in fact more suited to other forums. If your target audience doesn't read those forums as much as you would like, then work harder and encourage them to post there.

Did you even read the most recent moved thread after it got moved? Because I just looked at it, and you got a lot better responses after it got moved. I agree it probably didn't have to be moved, but from the way the first message you posted was constructed it looked like you were looking for information on this program and whether it was legitimate. How is the moderator supposed to know you are looking to organize a posse and hunt down DNPs?

I am sure glad you know everything. Please look up the word "Pompous" in the dictionary.
 
OK, I'll bite.
I actually don't think there was anything wrong in posting a poll on this topic. And this is a pretty good thread.

I actually voted that the forum hasn't been "over-moderated" but I actually feel that it has been, a little. While we don't want this forum to be overrun with political posts (and certainly not with "hot medical student" and other similarly silly posts), etc. I think there is some value to leaving stuff alone, at least to see where some of these threads end up. If they degenerate into shouting matches or totally off-topic, then close them.

However, putting on my reverse Devil's Advocate hat, I was briefly an assistant moderator on here a while back but I bailed because honestly I couldn't deal with the whining emails and/or hate mails that I got in my inbox pretty much daily from users/members. Trust me, no matter what the moderator does someone is going to be hacked off. So try to cut him/her some slack when possible. Otherwise we won't have any moderators...they are doing it for free, for cryin' out loud.
 
I am sure glad you know everything. Please look up the word "Pompous" in the dictionary.

I did. Your picture was there.

I never claimed to know everything. In fact, I usually claim that I don't know, and things are not always black and white. The post you quoted was a complaint of mine that the people who are currently whining the most about overmoderation in the "General residency" forum are not even residents, and are people whose motivations for posting such threads are not entirely clear (other than educating the ignorant masses). My post was unlike many of your posts and medicinesux's posts where you apparently think you know better than anyone else about medicine as a profession - everyone else being either ignorant, naive, inexperienced, or having drunk the kool aid of corporate medicine or academia. I'm sure everyone in this forum appreciates you guys coming here and telling them they are basically idiots for becoming doctors, though. Who is pompous, again?

Actually, I might have figured out medicinesux's motivation. Blog traffic.

And yes, I will stop now, moderator.
 
I did. Your picture was there.

I never claimed to know everything. In fact, I usually claim that I don't know, and things are not always black and white. The post you quoted was a complaint of mine that the people who are currently whining the most about overmoderation in the "General residency" forum are not even residents, and are people whose motivations for posting such threads are not entirely clear (other than educating the ignorant masses). My post was unlike many of your posts and medicinesux's posts where you apparently think you know better than anyone else about medicine as a profession - everyone else being either ignorant, naive, inexperienced, or having drunk the kool aid of corporate medicine or academia. I'm sure everyone in this forum appreciates you guys coming here and telling them they are basically idiots for becoming doctors, though. Who is pompous, again?

Actually, I might have figured out medicinesux's motivation. Blog traffic.

And yes, I will stop now, moderator.

Please do stop because your nonsensical assumptions have become unbearably grating and disparaging. You want to drag my name into the mud than medicinesux is all ready to get down and dirty. If you even looked at my blog you would notice that there are no ads to be found anywhere unlike the majority of medical blogs out there. I don't make a penny off of it. Less than 10% of my visitors find my blog through this forum anyway. There are many others here who have links to their blogs as well. Is my message so disturbing to you that you need to make me come off as a raving lunatic to discount my views to others? Don't click on it than. So you need to go rework that theory of yours but since you are so presumptuous in your way of thinking I will give you my answer as to why I write before you come up with further ridiculous accusations.
I write because I refuse to accept the status quo of medicine in this country. I write because I get messages everyday from others who encourage me to continue to do so. I write because it keeps me sane in this profession. And since when did I ever say that I was better than everyone else? Please don't taint my name like that. Everyone has their own story to tell as do I. Medicine is not all pigtails and fluffy cotton candy. I sometimes think that some doctors get so caught up in the "prestige" or attach their self worth to their MD title that anyone who dares say something derogatory should be silenced. Sorry but we live in a democracy not an autocracy. I also will not paint a picture of splendor since I have the right to tell it through my perspective. It is up to each individual to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly and make an informed decision.
 
I did. Your picture was there.

I never claimed to know everything. In fact, I usually claim that I don't know, and things are not always black and white. The post you quoted was a complaint of mine that the people who are currently whining the most about overmoderation in the "General residency" forum are not even residents, and are people whose motivations for posting such threads are not entirely clear (other than educating the ignorant masses). My post was unlike many of your posts and medicinesux's posts where you apparently think you know better than anyone else about medicine as a profession - everyone else being either ignorant, naive, inexperienced, or having drunk the kool aid of corporate medicine or academia. I'm sure everyone in this forum appreciates you guys coming here and telling them they are basically idiots for becoming doctors, though. Who is pompous, again?

Actually, I might have figured out medicinesux's motivation. Blog traffic.

And yes, I will stop now, moderator.

Medicinesux and I have similar goals as far as spreading truthful information that we did not have when we were med students.
If I had to bet I would assume that you are an attending at some residency program who is upset with the fact that I pull no punches regarding exploitative and abusive aspects of residency programs and resident training.

And again we have IMO excessive moderation today when a thread asking about how to get into a ROAD residency (seems like a residency issue like applying, interviewing, specialty selection,etc.) was moved by our moderator, who coincidentally I believe is a primary care doc.

We currently have a thread in this forum on "Switching from psych to family medicine or internal medicine" and that is deemed acceptable but "How difficult is it to get into a ROAD specialty" is deemed unacceptable and is moved
 
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Medicinesux and I have similar goals as far as spreading truthful information that we did not have when we were med students.
If I had to bet I would assume that you are an attending at some residency program who is upset with the fact that I pull no punches regarding exploitative and abusive aspects of residency programs and resident training.

And again we have IMO excessive moderation today when a thread asking about how to get into a ROAD residency (seems like a residency issue like applying, interviewing, specialty selection,etc.) was moved by our moderator, who coincidentally I believe is a primary care doc.

We currently have a thread in this forum on "Switching from psych to family medicine or internal medicine" and that is deemed acceptable but "How difficult is it to get into a ROAD specialty" is deemed unacceptable and is moved

Your assumption is incorrect. Hope you didn't bet a lot of money 😛 I do occasionally interact with residents and med students, but they are not in my specialty. Hey man, I think one of the good things about this forum is that it raises issues of resident exploitation, etc, and people can discuss these things. I am not against that at all. I just get a little annoyed that you guys seem to think you have all the answers, based on your experience, when others with similar experiences may not agree. Sometimes I think you take advantage of med student/resident naivety by telling them you are the only "unbiased" ones speaking the truth. You might be advised to consider the fact that other opinions may have validity - and contrary opinions are not always "biased." I have no bias here - if you read my recent gen res forum posts you would find most of them are attempts to advise people on the wrong reasons many people pick medicine and certain fields within it, and others are about being cautious about debt. I hang around here once in awhile because it's interesting to see what goes on.

I'm not a moderator so I don't know why threads are moved, but I am willing to bet that the moderator is not trying to assuage any special interest groups or propagate some sort of conspiratorial resident oppression, and instead is just trying to keep this forum with appropriate threads. When I first started visiting this forum (different username, many years ago, long since forgotten) I had no idea where to post anything. Just because something is posted in this forum doesn't mean that's where it belongs.

Personally, however, I don't think a topic on ROAD specialty difficulty needs to be moved, unless of course that original poster meant to ask current medical students about it and it was posted here in error. Did you even read the second post in that thread? Because the moderator provided a pretty good reason why it should be moved. It isn't one of your threads, it's a premed thread. But we can nitpick until the cows come home.
 
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Please do stop because your nonsensical assumptions have become unbearably grating and disparaging. You want to drag my name into the mud than medicinesux is all ready to get down and dirty. If you even looked at my blog you would notice that there are no ads to be found anywhere unlike the majority of medical blogs out there. I don't make a penny off of it. Less than 10% of my visitors find my blog through this forum anyway. There are many others here who have links to their blogs as well. Is my message so disturbing to you that you need to make me come off as a raving lunatic to discount my views to others? Don't click on it than. So you need to go rework that theory of yours but since you are so presumptuous in your way of thinking I will give you my answer as to why I write before you come up with further ridiculous accusations.
I write because I refuse to accept the status quo of medicine in this country. I write because I get messages everyday from others who encourage me to continue to do so. I write because it keeps me sane in this profession. And since when did I ever say that I was better than everyone else? Please don't taint my name like that. Everyone has their own story to tell as do I. Medicine is not all pigtails and fluffy cotton candy. I sometimes think that some doctors get so caught up in the "prestige" or attach their self worth to their MD title that anyone who dares say something derogatory should be silenced. Sorry but we live in a democracy not an autocracy. I also will not paint a picture of splendor since I have the right to tell it through my perspective. It is up to each individual to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly and make an informed decision.

:laugh: This is a masterpiece of hyperbole, self flattery, and ego. Kudos.
 
And again we have IMO excessive moderation today when a thread asking about how to get into a ROAD residency (seems like a residency issue like applying, interviewing, specialty selection,etc.) was moved by our moderator, who coincidentally I believe is a primary care doc.

The OP in that thread boiled down to, "Is it worth going to med school if my main goal is to become an ophtho, which is extremely competitive to get into?" In other words, is it worth applying to med school if your goal is to get a specialty that there is no guarantee that you will get?

If the main question is "Should I apply to med school or not?," I feel that it belongs in pre-allo or allo.

As strange as it may seem, I am quite happy in primary care so far, and don't harbor any resentment to people who pursue the ROAD specialties. Just because I didn't find these fields appealing or a good fit does not mean that others should not. My sibling is a specialist. Other family members are specialists as well. My best friend is trying to pursue one of the ROAD specialties, and I fully support him in his endeavor. The only time I tell him to do IM/FM/peds is when I want to tease him. 😉

And, to be honest, I am too busy trying to survive the daily struggles of being a resident to really care about the need to "propagate primary care" in this country, or whatever the politicians like to say. Maybe as an attending I will, but for right now I'm too busy and trying to keep from getting overwhelmed by other things. Do whatever specialty makes you happy.
 
Having read the that last thread about ROAD specialties, I thought "why is a pre-med who has no idea if they even WANT to go to med school posting in the RESIDENCY forum?????" Kudos to the move.
 
Please clarify the amount of traffic (and free advertisement you get) from SDN because here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=8742346&postcount=33 you claim that you lost 50% of your traffic when a post was moved.

So does SDN constitute 10% or 50% of your blog traffic?

I would be more than happy to. Over the past 2 months, traffic has increased nearly 200% on a day to day basis. This is mainly from having more time to write (more words showing up in google searches) which allows more people to find my blog and also from "internetworking" with others. The particular thread you mentioned was on a record breaking day (which has long since been surpassed) after Coastie cross referenced my post over into pre-allo about Tufts costing $315,000. That original post by the way got moved only 4 FOUR TIMES.😡

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=671529

:laugh: This is a masterpiece of hyperbole, self flattery, and ego. Kudos.

Yeah I am all that and then some🙄 <ROLLS EYES>
 
Having read the that last thread about ROAD specialties, I thought "why is a pre-med who has no idea if they even WANT to go to med school posting in the RESIDENCY forum?????" Kudos to the move.

Agreed. That thread was a PERFECT example of a thread that is better suited for another board. It's a premed's question. The poster may have hoped for insight from folks beyond the premed years (which s/he got), but the question was posed about a decision point prior to med school, where the OP was pondering med school at all, and as such it really has no business in the general residency forum. And there is really no limitation to you guys following the thread and posting there. I did. Others beyond the pre-med level have as well. This was moved to a board where there is MORE traffic than this board. So come on. This post was appropriately moved. This board is for GENERAL RESIDENCY issues. Posts of interest and import to those of us currently in allo or osteo residencies in the US. Not premeds. Not med students. Not fellows. Not attendings. Everyone is welcome to read posts on any board. Everyone is welcome to post on any board with the caveat that if the mods feel that a post is better suited for another board, it may get moved to that other board. As it should. You can still follow it there and post there -- your speech isn't being abridged in any fashion, just organized into the appropriate forum for that topic of discussion. So come on, a post involving premeds, or a post focusing on NPs, or posts on the business or politics of medicine -- these are all topics covered elsewhere.

If you like this board, post "general residency" posts. But the sense I'm getting from these posts is that you don't in fact care for the general residency topics, just the audience. And sorry, but this board isn't meant to give access to a particular audience, but rather to discuss particular topics. If you want a particular audience, you have to have them come to the appropriate board. We have had this discussion in the premed/med forums a lot. Inevitably premeds post on the allo board asking questions about what they should do as a premed to prepare for med school. These posts get moved back to the premed forum. Why? Because although the target of the question is med students, this isn't a topic largely of interest to med students. And the board is for the group in the heading, not to give access to the group in the heading. Med students are free to wander into the pre-med board to give premeds advice, and they often do, but we on SDN don't force them to by allowing premed posts into their forum. Similarly we aren't allowing premed posts like the one discussed above into the general residency forum just because the premed mentions the ROAD acronym in his question of whether he should go to med school at all. Although the poster's target is perhaps residents, the topic is one of interest to premeds so the premed board is it's home. So that's where you should go to post there. And similarly some of the posts being posted by our two vocal attendings may seek the audience of general residents, but the posts themselves are not topics covered by this forum -- they are better suited to other forums. The posters whine that the audience they seek isn't there but again, the organization of the forums has always been topic specific, not audience specific. If you want to post on residency topics, you post on the residency board. If you want to post on another topic but get residents to read it, tough luck -- people either go to that board or they don't, but if that's where the topic belongs, that's where the topic belongs.

But my biggest issue is still the notion of starting a poll to call out a moderator for moving a topic to a place s/he feels is more appropriate. The mods on here try to do a good job to keep everything in a desirable order so that the forum is useful for those folks who want to find topics of interest to them. So when a resident logs on and looks for topics in the general residency forum, they don't get overwhelmed by topics involving NPs and premed career decisions. It doesn't matter that a few non-residents who frequent this forum want to read that kind of post -- this forum is for GENERAL RESIDENCY topics. And so as a forum, that's what the mods try to preserve. Other posts not violative of the TOS get moved to the more appropriate forum, and the poster is free to follow links to that post and continue the discussion there. The two posters on here who seem to have issues with this primarily seem to have an issue with the fact that there is simply better traffic on certain boards. Well that's sort of because people are interested in reading certain topics, like general residency issues, or pre-allo issues, and log onto boards for those issues. If you aren't interested in posting on such issues, you get the traffic you get. SDN provides a place to post ideas and opinions, but you have to work within the topic organization of the board. SDN isn't guaranteeing you an interested audience for your topic, and you can't force the topic you want to discuss into a forum that really isn't meant for that. You can't create a strained argument that all medicine topics should be of interest to residents, and you can't say -- the traffic is better here, or the audience I want is here. That's not how it works. You post on the topics of the forum, or you go to the more suited forum, or the post will get moved there. The post still exists, and you and interested readers are free to follow links to read it.

There are some relatively unmoderated places on SDN, like the Lounge, and if you just want to post in an unmoderated area, you can do so. If you choose to post in a moderated forum, with a heading "general residency", then you simply have to post on topic, with "on topic" having nothing to do with the audience you want, but rather what the audience itself wants. I simply don't get why this is such an issue. As mentioned, SDNers complain about posts that get moved, and posts that don't. The amount of moderation that currently exists actually is providing a very happy balance and resulting in far fewer complaints. The couple of posters on this thread are the only ones complaining, and given the total SDN traffic, I think that's an all time minimum (meaning the current level of moderation is pleasing the most people). You can please most of the people, but not all, and if your post gets moved, you might have to face the fact that you are in the tiny majority that has to be displeased for the rest of the users to be happy with the way things are going. Life is about such compromises.
 
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