Does anyone know which general surgery programs are 7 years - officially and unofficially? I have heard of the following:
- Michigan
- Penn
- Vanderbilt
- UVA
- Michigan
- Penn
- Vanderbilt
- UVA
Gen Surg Programs requiring research?
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brigham is 7 i believe.
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is it true that most (if not all) of the programs in the top 20-30 require or at least strongly recommend research years? some programs seem to require or at least strongly recommend research even though freida lists schools at 5 years, and their own website only shows a 5 year curriculum.
I like how institutions use phrases like 'encouraged' or 'guaranteed research time'. Right on about the top programs. I really wonder if you could avoid research if you so chose...
Duke- 7 years on Freida ("It should be emphasized that the research experience is elective.")
UCSF- 7
UCLA- 7
Stanford also looks like it strongly encourages research.
University of Texas HSC San Antonio- 7
Wilford Hall- 7
UMD New Jersey/Robert Wood- 6 years
Vermont- 6 years
George Washington- 6 years
UC Davis- ("Most, but not all, residents participate in a one or two year research experience (clinical or laboratory).")
David Grant Medical Center (affiliated with Davis)- 6 years
Emory- ("Resident participation in research is encouraged but not required.")
Yale- "(Most General Surgery residents at Yale conduct scholarly research for one or two years between the second and third years of clinical training.")
Duke- 7 years on Freida ("It should be emphasized that the research experience is elective.")
UCSF- 7
UCLA- 7
Stanford also looks like it strongly encourages research.
University of Texas HSC San Antonio- 7
Wilford Hall- 7
UMD New Jersey/Robert Wood- 6 years
Vermont- 6 years
George Washington- 6 years
UC Davis- ("Most, but not all, residents participate in a one or two year research experience (clinical or laboratory).")
David Grant Medical Center (affiliated with Davis)- 6 years
Emory- ("Resident participation in research is encouraged but not required.")
Yale- "(Most General Surgery residents at Yale conduct scholarly research for one or two years between the second and third years of clinical training.")
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most academic are mandatory 7 years, some have a tiny bit of flexibility:
mgh - 5 years mandatory, 7 years likely. one of the few where research years are still not mandatory. most people (but not all) do them
brigham - 7 years
hopkins - 7 years
wash u - 7 years
duke - 7 years
upenn - 7 years
ucsf - 7 years
stanford - 7 years
michigan - 7 years
mgh - 5 years mandatory, 7 years likely. one of the few where research years are still not mandatory. most people (but not all) do them
brigham - 7 years
hopkins - 7 years
wash u - 7 years
duke - 7 years
upenn - 7 years
ucsf - 7 years
stanford - 7 years
michigan - 7 years
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When I did my interviews, it was understood that "strongly encouraged" was equivalent to "required". At two places I interviewed there was a resident at each who did not do research and was essentially ostracized by fellow residents and attendings--who said that choosing not to do research resulted in miserable remaining residency years, and that they were almost "forced out" of the program due to the choice.
If you are unsure about doing research, ask the residents when you interview how many people do research and if the answer is "everybody", if anyone has ever chosen not to do research and what was the program's reaction to this choice. This way at least you have an idea of what to expect should you match there.
If you are unsure about doing research, ask the residents when you interview how many people do research and if the answer is "everybody", if anyone has ever chosen not to do research and what was the program's reaction to this choice. This way at least you have an idea of what to expect should you match there.
