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Hi all!

I read through a lot of the advice on this forum, and I'm glad to see that people know what they're talking about here, b/c I have no idea what I'm doing!

I'm trying to compile a list of possible post-bacc programs, and I am trying to figure out how competitive they are, and what I should be doing. I'm a career-changer who hasn't taken a bio or chem course since high school (over 10 years ago). Assume that I'm trying to get into the best med school possible.

Some info--

Undergrad GPA (mediocre-to-below-average private liberal arts college): 3.77 (took 1 science course, Environmental Science, and got a B+, took no maths)

GPA within major (political science):
3.82

Then I decided to go to law school. I did well on my LSAT (99th percentile) and ended up going to Penn. In law school my grades were average (we don't do GPAs, and they'd be pretty meaningless b/c of grade inflation anyway, but I was a B+ student).


I have no clue how high or low I should be aiming. I'm open to any program/option that would get me into a highly rated MD program. Any info, even where to start to look, would be helpful. Thanks!

Also, I don't know if my HS info is helpful (I've seen it in other posts), but my GPA was a 3.25-3.4 there, and I scored over 1400 on my SAT, and over 700 on a math SAT II.
 
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With an advanced / professional degree you should have no problem getting into medical school or post-bac. Your undergrad GPA is fine but you might want to start volunteering at local clinic or hospital to get a better understanding about medicine. I am pretty sure they're going to ask you why you change your career from law to medicine.
 
Get some medically related volunteer experience under your belt and I'd say you're a top candidate for the best postbac programs in the country -- Goucher, Scripps and Bryn Mawr.
 
Global: I need to figure out why I want to change fields, too 😛 I'm guessing the answer "The practice of law is tedious, and I like watching House and Gray's Anatomy, so I figured 'Why not!?'" won't necessarily fly.

I should also add (can't believe I forgot) that my undergraduate record is less pristine than I may have led on: I bombed in my first year of college (but later repeated those courses and got As). Also before I returned to my original college, I signed up for 3 courses at another school. I quickly realized I wasn't ready to go back, and believed I had withdrawn from the courses only to realize later (when I applied to law school) that I received 3 Fs. Will that have a substantial impact?

Newman: Where does one look for medically-related volunteer experience? Are some volunteer opportunities better than others?

Thanks for the input!
 
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Undergrad GPA (mediocre-to-below-average private liberal arts college): 3.77 (took 1 science course, Environmental Science, and got a B+, took no maths)
No math makes me want to encourage you to take math before you start prereqs. You need to be able to solve equations, and you don't want physics to be the first time you see sohcahtoa. I recommend at least algebra & trig, and preferably some stats. Since your GPA is good, and since you'll follow with a structured postbac, you can take math at a community college, if convenient. And get A's for the love of all that's holy.
Then I decided to go to law school. I did well on my LSAT (99th percentile) and ended up going to Penn. In law school my grades were average (we don't do GPAs, and they'd be pretty meaningless b/c of grade inflation anyway, but I was a B+ student).
Nobody will care about your law school grades. People might be happy you went to Penn.
I have no clue how high or low I should be aiming. I'm open to any program/option that would get me into a highly rated MD program. Any info, even where to start to look, would be helpful. Thanks!
Get an MSAR on aamc.org (also available on Amazon or whatnot). This will show you stats by school, to size up your competition. "Highly rated" matters in law school but is a completely different animal in med school. "Hard to get into" is our "highly rated," and frankly, they're all hard to get into (60% of all apps are rejected). You can look at USNews ratings if you must.
Also, I don't know if my HS info is helpful (I've seen it in other posts), but my GPA was a 3.25-3.4 there, and I scored over 1400 on my SAT, and over 700 on a math SAT II.
Nothing you did in high school is relevant, but some SMPs and even some med schools want to see your SAT scores to get a better view on your longitudinal test taking ability. Cincinnati comes to mind. The good postbacs will want your SAT scores.

With an advanced / professional degree you should have no problem getting into medical school or post-bac.
In the sense that an adv/prof degree won't hurt you, this is true, but don't kid yourself. A law degree, and even some years in practice, will be viewed as a nice extra-curricular activity by med school admissions committees. See the nontrad forum for our resident gang of former lawyers.
Your undergrad GPA is fine but you might want to start volunteering at local clinic or hospital to get a better understanding about medicine.
Not might. Must. As soon as possible.
I am pretty sure they're going to ask you why you change your career from law to medicine.
Damn sure. Even after you write your entire personal statement about why you want to move from law to medicine, you'll be expected to talk about it in interviews.
Get some medically related volunteer experience under your belt and I'd say you're a top candidate for the best postbac programs in the country -- Goucher, Scripps and Bryn Mawr.
I don't get Scripps being considered a top program, because its linkages are tepid. Now, I wouldn't choose a school for its linkages, but why would Scripps be putting effort into maintaining a linkage w/Western if it's a top program? I think people are choosing Scripps just to avoid moving cross country to Bryn Mawr or Goucher.
Global: I need to figure out why I want to change fields, too 😛 I'm guessing the answer "The practice of law is tedious, and I like watching House and Gray's Anatomy, so I figured 'Why not!?'" won't necessarily fly.
You have to believe your own narrative. It's never too early to start working on your personal statement (that explains why you want to go to med school).
I should also add (can't believe I forgot) that my undergraduate record is less pristine than I may have led on: I bombed in my first year of college (but later repeated those courses and got As). Also before I returned to my original college, I signed up for 3 courses at another school. I quickly realized I wasn't ready to go back, and believed I had withdrawn from the courses only to realize later (when I applied to law school) that I received 3 Fs. Will that have a substantial impact?
Substantial in that your GPA isn't what you think it is. For US MD schools, repeated coursework and F's are averaged into your cumulative GPA. You have to submit every transcript you ever got, and enter your coursework line by line. What your transcript says your GPA is doesn't make any difference. It'll be worth the effort, as in now, to contest those F's.

Newman: Where does one look for medically-related volunteer experience? Are some volunteer opportunities better than others?
Pick the biggest hospital in your area, one that serves the indigent etc. and look on their webpage for volunteering. Get in the ER as soon as you can (do other departments later). Expect to work 4 hours a week cleaning stretchers and carrying supplies, in order to earn the right to observe trauma and ask people questions. Use this gig as your stepping stone to more interesting stuff, such as shadowing doctors and maybe getting involved in clinical research. If you can put in a couple years, it's worth a recommendation letter. This is a hoop. Jump through it. Love the hoop. Love the jumping. Be a freaking Jack Russell.

A lot of people do international aid work, which at the premed level is voluntourism. You'll pay thousands for the opportunity to do stuff you can't legally do in the US without any training, such as take vitals and histories. This is a purchasable med school app asset, imho, but I did get a lot out of the trips I went on.

Anything that is community-oriented is goodness. Special Olympics, literacy, homelessness, mentoring, Habitat for Humanity. Teach blind kids to ski or sail. This is on top of clinical volunteering.

Best of luck to you.
 
Midlife: Linkages are not the only yardstick by which we measure quality of a postbac program. Scripps boasts a 100% acceptance rate to medical school for its last 4 classes. This is an achievement on par with those of Bryn Mawr and Goucher. The basic message that can be gleaned is: Go to and finish the Scripps program and your acceptance to medical school is all but guaranteed. Not bad, if you ask me, and no other school can match this claim, save Bryn Mawr and Goucher. That is why those three are often mentioned together on this forum.

drbling: If you live in an urban area, the best advice I have is to contact the Family Medicine Department at your local medical school and inquire as to their network of free clinics -- almost every department in the country has such an organization by now. Most utilize medical students as volunteers, but many will be happy to allow access to a motivated, intelligent premedical student -- I myself did this as a postbac and had wonderful experiences. Some tend to be devotees of the "work hard and put in your time doctrine" and this attitude is absolutely necessary sometimes in medical school. I, nevertheless, tend to gravitate towards the "work smarter" gospel, if possible. I think you should stay away from volunteering at your local large hospital because, really, it is a waste of your time to be -- as Midlife rightly points out -- shuttling bags of urine tither and fro about the corridors. Plus, you'll just be doing the same thing as a bunch of nose-picking, dim-witted middle and high schoolers trying to get community service credit; medical schools understand this all to well. Getting "the right" to watch a cool procedure is just that -- cool. You won't really get anything out of it besides wonder because you have no idea what you're looking at. I maintain your best bet is to volunteer somewhere unheard of because a) you might actually be needed there instead of just in the way, b) fewer volunteers and staff means you'll stand out more and increase your chances of getting a good LOR, and c) a shortage of fully trained personnel means you might actually be taught how to do a few things, like take blood pressure, check glucose and auscultate (under 4th year medical student and physician supervision, of course).
 
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