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Hey everyone. I was wondering what exactly does a geneticist do and how do you become one. If you can 😕. Do you go through a special residency or a fellowship or whatnot?
 
geneticclone said:
Hey everyone. I was wondering what exactly does a geneticist do and how do you become one. If you can 😕. Do you go through a special residency or a fellowship or whatnot?
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Is this a serious question? A geneticist, at least as far as I know, is someone who has a Ph.D. in genetics or a related scientific field. You can do MD/PhD and probably become a geneticist, but I dont think you need go to medical school to become one lol. There may be some doctoral specialties that require a thorough background in genetics.

EDIT: and wtf is up with your sig?
 
WinterLights said:
Is this a serious question? A geneticist, at least as far as I know, is someone who has a Ph.D. in genetics or a related scientific field. You can do MD/PhD and probably become a geneticist, but I dont think you need go to medical school to become one lol. There may be some doctoral specialties that require a thorough background in genetics.

EDIT: and wtf is up with your sig?
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Actually yes this is a serious question. Do you happen to know what doctoral specialties require a background in genetics? Thanks.

EDIT: Its what i believe in. Have a problem with it?
 
geneticclone said:
Actually yes this is a serious question. Do you happen to know what doctoral specialties require a background in genetics? Thanks.

EDIT: Its what i believe in. Have a problem with it?
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You turned to trolling because you failed at everything else. I don't know what to say. Maybe call your mom.
 
ghostfoot said:
You turned to trolling because you failed at everything else. I don't know what to say. Maybe call your mom.
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Wth are you talking about? This is not trolling. This is what i believe in.
If you do not have anything to post about genetics and geneticist then please do not spam my thread.
 
WinterLights said:
Is this a serious question? A geneticist, at least as far as I know, is someone who has a Ph.D. in genetics or a related scientific field. You can do MD/PhD and probably become a geneticist, but I dont think you need go to medical school to become one lol.
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Actually, I think the OP is probably referring to a clinical geneticist, which is a residency-trained MD.

You get board certified in clinical genetics by doing the first two years of an Internal Medicine fellowship followed by two more years of Clinical Genetics. You can also get BC from doing a fellowship post-Med residency, if you want to be double boarded. Some places have a single four year path for a clnical genetics designation.
WinterLights said:
EDIT: and wtf is up with your sig?
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So the guy has an Ahmadinejad/Iran/Islam sig. Lots of folks have Bush/America/Christian themed sigs. Don't let either bug you. Everybody has their kicks...
 
As others have said, Medical Genetics actually is a medical specialty. I'm sure there are programs specifically for it. One of the sub-specialties I'm considering is Maternal-Fetal medicine, and I've seen some fellowships that are joined with Genetics at the same time.
 
geneticclone said:
Hey everyone. I was wondering what exactly does a geneticist do and how do you become one. If you can 😕. Do you go through a special residency or a fellowship or whatnot?
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Welcome back the clone of Genetics
 
Dunno about the US, but in Canada, they have an actual medical genetics residency. I think there's only 2 spots or something, which usually go unfilled.

EDIT: nevermind, 8 spots, all filled last year, but only 4 people had it as their #1 choice, 1 as #2, and 1 as #4. Which begs the question "where did the other 2 people come from?"
 
notdeadyet said:
Actually, I think the OP is probably referring to a clinical geneticist, which is a residency-trained MD.

You get board certified in clinical genetics by doing the first two years of an Internal Medicine fellowship followed by two more years of Clinical Genetics. You can also get BC from doing a fellowship post-Med residency, if you want to be double boarded. Some places have a single four year path for a clnical genetics designation.

So the guy has an Ahmadinejad/Iran/Islam sig. Lots of folks have Bush/America/Christian themed sigs. Don't let either bug you. Everybody has their kicks...
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Bush/America/Christians don't hold conferences that claim that 6 million Jews were in fact, NOT killed.

So would a clinical geneticist do family/pregnancy counseling, or what?
 
Step 1: Steal underpants
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Step 3: Profit

I refuse to answer your question with that sig. If you held that personal belief and didn't advertise it, I wouldn't have a problem. GTFO of the country if you don't like it. I hope Islam (radical especially) dies a timely death w/ all the other fear-mongering (read: all) religions of the world.

Your sig is the equivalent of driving around downtown Iran with a W sticker on your car.
 
notdeadyet said:
Actually, I think the OP is probably referring to a clinical geneticist, which is a residency-trained MD.

You get board certified in clinical genetics by doing the first two years of an Internal Medicine fellowship followed by two more years of Clinical Genetics. You can also get BC from doing a fellowship post-Med residency, if you want to be double boarded.
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You can also go into clinical genetics via a pediatric residency, followed by a fellowship. Their clinics would provide prenatal counseling/evaluation, as well as post-natal diagnosis, and continuing care on previously-diagnosed children.
 
TheLesPaul said:
Bush/America/Christians don't hold conferences that claim that 6 million Jews were in fact, NOT killed.

So would a clinical geneticist do family/pregnancy counseling, or what?
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Right, they don't hold those conferences. Bush and America only started 2 wars in less than a decade while Christians actually committed the Holocaust.




(please note that I have nothing against Christianity, I'm merely providing a counterpoint)
 
whoisthedrizzle said:
Step 1: Steal underpants
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit

I refuse to answer your question with that sig. If you held that personal belief and didn't advertise it, I wouldn't have a problem. GTFO of the country if you don't like it. I hope Islam (radical especially) dies a timely death w/ all the other fear-mongering (read: all) religions of the world.

Your sig is the equivalent of driving around downtown Iran with a W sticker on your car.
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For someone who hates the advertisement of personal beliefs you sure are doing a great job of advertising your own.

No, his sig is not the equivalent. We make a lot of noise in the US about personal freedoms, and criticize the Iranians for supposedly not allowing the same. If the US truly holds itself to a higher moral standard then you can't use Iran for comparison.
 
TheLesPaul said:
So would a clinical geneticist do family/pregnancy counseling, or what?
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Yes, that's exaclty what they do.

Catalystik is right that you can do it via fellowship after a peds residency.
 
whoisthedrizzle said:
I refuse to answer your question with that sig. If you held that personal belief and didn't advertise it, I wouldn't have a problem. GTFO of the country if you don't like it. I hope Islam (radical especially) dies a timely death w/ all the other fear-mongering (read: all) religions of the world.
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Today is Veteran's Day. Show a little respect. A great number of men and women have given up their lives to support the idea that in this country folks are free to think, believe and say what they like.

You're totally entitled to your hope that faiths different than your own die and that folks shouldn't advertise their political viewpoints (irony). But on Veteran's Day let's not try to bash folks for exercizing freedoms so many died to preserve, shall we?
 
I'm fine with people having their beliefs but I've got to admit when I first saw the OPs sig some time back I was taken aback. He is advertising his belief in a very in your face manner as if taking joy in knowing some people will object. Also the whole "Islam forever" sounds juvenile and sloganish.

I support the DALAI LAMA and TIBET. Buddhism forever!

It just doesn't sound right.

Personally I can't respect anyones political opinions who chooses to express themselves in that manner.
 
Drogba said:
Personally I can't respect anyones political opinions who chooses to express themselves in that manner.
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Yeah, I'm no fan of bumper sticker politics either. But the whole "love it or leave it" just goes against what this country is founded on and is against the freedoms that many people have died protecting. Something that we're supposed to be honoring at least today.
 
ymnCheetos said:
Right, they don't hold those conferences. Bush and America only started 2 wars in less than a decade while Christians actually committed the Holocaust.




(please note that I have nothing against Christianity, I'm merely providing a counterpoint)
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I understand, but someone who says 'Bush forever!' in their sig would be deserving of criticism as well.

The thing is, this guy says he supports Ahmedinejad. Ahmedinejad supports the destruction of Israel and believes the Holocaust never happened. Therefore, this guy is in support of those viewpoints. THAT is unacceptable in my opinion - he's free to have his opinion, and I'm also free to opine that this guy is a douche.
 
Uggggh.

Is today veteran's day?

Anyways, as a veteran, I think "love it, or leave it" is about the lamest quasi-political arguement in the history of politics.

Let me get this straight, since I don't agree with the guy you voted for for President, I have to leave the country? Pretty convenient for you, wouldn't you say?
 
Old Grunt said:
Let me get this straight, since I don't agree with the guy you voted for for President, I have to leave the country? Pretty convenient for you, wouldn't you say?
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There's a range of acceptable political discourse that is tolerated by most people in this country. Of course voting against W shouldn't get you a "love it or leave it" comment.

But when you actively support the leader of a foreign country who has expressed a desire to destroy your nation and kill your fellow citizens, "get out of here" isn't really an unexpected response.
 
TheLesPaul said:
I understand, but someone who says 'Bush forever!' in their sig would be deserving of criticism as well.

The thing is, this guy says he supports Ahmedinejad. Ahmedinejad supports the destruction of Israel and believes the Holocaust never happened. Therefore, this guy is in support of those viewpoints. THAT is unacceptable in my opinion - he's free to have his opinion, and I'm also free to opine that this guy is a douche.
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As inexcusable as such antisemitism is, I think this is a vast oversimplification of how one should characterize a politician. I am not familiar with Ahmedinejad's domestic policies or much of his international policy aside from what is interesting to westerners and would be printed in the BBC and such. Perhaps, he has done many positive things for his country and is worthy of respect on that count. No person, and by extension political leader, is black or white, completely evil or completely good. Do I think his anti-semitism is a huge stain on his reputation? Yes. Does this mean that he is incapable of designing domestic or international policy that I would be sympathetic to? Of course not, in my opinion. It is obvious that he has the support of many people or else he would not hold the position he does.
 
Tired said:
But when you actively support the leader of a foreign country who has expressed a desire to destroy your nation and kill your fellow citizens, "get out of here" isn't really an unexpected response.
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You're not getting it. Any political viewpoint is valid. This is why David Duke is allowed to run on an aryan nation platform. Do I like his viewpoint? Hell, no. But does he have the right to hold and discuss these views? Hell, yes.

Any argument supporting the idea of viewpoints that shouldn't be allowed smacks of McCarthyism, which isn't as far back as most folks seem to think.

Happy Veteran's Day to you and yours, Old Grunt.
 
Drogba said:
As inexcusable as such antisemitism is, I think this is a vast oversimplification of how one should characterize a politician. I am not familiar with Ahmedinejad's domestic policies or much of his international policy aside from what is interesting to westerners and would be printed in the BBC and such. Perhaps, he has done many positive things for his country and is worthy of respect on that count. No person, and by extension political leader, is black or white, completely evil or completely good. Do I think his anti-semitism is a huge stain on his reputation? Yes. Does this mean that he is incapable of designing domestic or international policy that I would be sympathetic to? Of course not, in my opinion. It is obvious that he has the support of many people or else he would not hold the position he does.
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Of course he's not incapable of designing good domestic policy. Regardless, this guy did not say he supports Ahmedinejad's domestic policy - he says he supports Ahmedinejad. When one makes a blanket statement like that, you invite Ahmedinejad's huge stain upon yourself. We're not talking about Ahmedinejad, we're talking about this genetics guy. Why would someone support a leader with such a huge blot?

Therefore, I think this guy is a jerk.

p.s. for the record, he does not have very good domestic policy, as inflation has run rampant in Iran. I'm not sure about this, but I remember reading somewhere that he has a low approval rating. It's not unheard of for dictators to keep power despite popular disapproval (read: dear old pervez over in pakistan).

p.p.s. writing 'ahmedinejad' multiple times sucks.
 
notdeadyet said:
You're not getting it. Any political viewpoint is valid. This is why David Duke is allowed to run on an aryan nation platform. Do I like his viewpoint? Hell, no. But does he have the right to hold and discuss these views? Hell, yes.

Any argument supporting the idea of viewpoints that shouldn't be allowed smacks of McCarthyism, which isn't as far back as most folks seem to think.

Happy Veteran's Day to you and yours, Old Grunt.
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Actually, any argument supporting the idea of viewpoints that shouldn't be allowed smacks of the Taliban and other repressive theocratic regimes, such as the Iranian one, for example.
 
Thank you to all the people who answered my question.
I am not Genetics although i was here when he got banned.
And Ahmadinejad did not say that the holocaust did not happen.
Anyhow Happy Veterans DAy.
 
KeyzerSoze said:
Actually, any argument supporting the idea of viewpoints that shouldn't be allowed smacks of the Taliban and other repressive theocratic regimes, such as the Iranian one, for example.
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Nice connection....
 
geneticclone said:
And Ahmadinejad did not say that the holocaust did not happen.
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Actually, he did. December 14th, 2005 on national television. He said that, in the West:

"if someone were to deny the existence of God . . . and deny the existence of prophets and religion, they would not bother him. However, if someone were to deny the myth of the Jews' massacre, all the Zionist mouthpieces and the governments subservient to the Zionists tear their larynxes and scream against the person as much as they can."

(Washington Post article)

I support your right to your viewpoints, but let's keep it real, yeah?
 
notdeadyet said:
Actually, he did. December 14th, 2005 on national television. He said that, in the West:

"if someone were to deny the existence of God . . . and deny the existence of prophets and religion, they would not bother him. However, if someone were to deny the myth of the Jews' massacre, all the Zionist mouthpieces and the governments subservient to the Zionists tear their larynxes and scream against the person as much as they can."

(Washington Post article)

I support your right to your viewpoints, but let's keep it real, yeah?
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I dunno if its just me but I think he's just being hypothetical. That combined with bad translators would cause somoene to think that he rejects the Holocaust but in later interviews you see that he does not.
 
TheLesPaul said:
Of course he's not incapable of designing good domestic policy. Regardless, this guy did not say he supports Ahmedinejad's domestic policy - he says he supports Ahmedinejad. When one makes a blanket statement like that, you invite Ahmedinejad's huge stain upon yourself. We're not talking about Ahmedinejad, we're talking about this genetics guy. Why would someone support a leader with such a huge blot?
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Because if you are Iranian, more than that matters. I doubt they view that as the most important part of his campaign. Also, I doubt there is a great deal of sympathy towards jews amongst a large part of Iran's populace, not unlike many parts of the Middle East and beyond. There are only a handful of places in the world where antisemitism will cause an uproar, the US happens to be one of them.

Therefore, I think this guy is a jerk.

p.s. for the record, he does not have very good domestic policy, as inflation has run rampant in Iran. I'm not sure about this, but I remember reading somewhere that he has a low approval rating. It's not unheard of for dictators to keep power despite popular disapproval (read: dear old pervez over in pakistan).
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As I said I'm not familiar with his social or economic policies so I can't comment on this front; however, he was democratically elected and is not a dictator. To my knowledge he has not made movements to consolidate power and turn himself into an autocrat either.

p.p.s. writing 'ahmedinejad' multiple times sucks.
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Yes, yes it does.
 
This is what he supposedly said on december 14 2005.

They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets. The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets, (it) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet. If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel? Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?


And I agree with him.
 
Someone remind me again what any of this has to do with medical schools, medicine, or the health care profession.
 
geneticclone said:
This is what he supposedly said on december 14 2005.

They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets. The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets, (it) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet. If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel? Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?


And I agree with him.
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While the last part is a legitimate policy question that understandable has had huge practical repercussions throughout the world, you will get nowhere by linking it to a denial of the holocaust. The insistence that it is a historical myth may even stretch the tolerance of those governing the SDN boards to their breaking point (though other equally hideous ideas have not done so in the past). It will actually be interesting to see where the line gets drawn.
 
Kthanksbye said:
While the last part is a legitimate policy question that understandable has had huge practical repercussions throughout the world, you will get nowhere by linking it to a denial of the holocaust. The insistence that it is a historical myth may even stretch the tolerance of those governing the SDN boards to their breaking point (though other equally hideous ideas have not done so in the past). It will actually be interesting to see where the line gets drawn.
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In the interview with Ahmadinejad in Columbia University. Ahmadinejad said

"My first question was, if, given that the Holocaust is a present reality of our time, a history that occurred, why is there not sufficient research that can approach the topic from different perspectives? Our friends refer to 1930 as the point of the departure for this development; however, I believe the Holocaust, from what we read, happened during World War II after 1930 in the 1940s. So, you know, we have to really be able to trace the event. "
So hes not really denying it.
 
geneticclone said:
In the interview with Ahmadinejad in Columbia University. Ahmadinejad said

"My first question was, if, given that the Holocaust is a present reality of our time, a history that occurred, why is there not sufficient research that can approach the topic from different perspectives? Our friends refer to 1930 as the point of the departure for this development; however, I believe the Holocaust, from what we read, happened during World War II after 1930 in the 1940s. So, you know, we have to really be able to trace the event. "
So hes not really denying it.
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Well, whether or not creating Israel was a mistake, it is currently a moot point. You can't undo it. Israel and it's neighbors can only go forward. So I'm not sure I even see the point in arguing whether it was right or not to create it in the first place.
 
Kthanksbye said:
Well, whether or not creating Israel was a mistake, it is currently a moot point. You can't undo it. Israel and it's neighbors can only go forward. So I'm not sure I even see the point in arguing whether it was right or not to create it in the first place.
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Then create one state where Israelis and Palestinians can live together. Do not create a second state equivelant of Indian reserves. Actually even worse than Indian reserves. Indains at least get money from casinos.
 
"Is it not a reasonable possibility that some countries that had won the war made up this excuse to constantly embarrass the defeated people ... to bar their progress..." (referring to Germany) - Ahmedinejad.

Even if he doesn't explicity deny it, he casts doubt on it, and uses the word 'myth' to describe it repeatedly. Furthermore, he called a special conference to discuss the existence/nonexistance of the Holocaust.

I can understand how you can support the Palestinian side. I cannot understand how you can support someone who wants to wipe a country off the map.
 
geneticclone said:
Then create one state where Israelis and Palestinians can live together. Do not create a second state equivelant of Indian reserves. Actually even worse than Indian reserves. Indains at least get money from casinos.
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Both the Israelis and the Palestinians will have to give a little to create any lasting peace. But each time they get close, one side decides it's all or nothing and they start back up again. If only they could read this thread, there would be peace in the middle east forever...😉
 
TheLesPaul said:
"Is it not a reasonable possibility that some countries that had won the war made up this excuse to constantly embarrass the defeated people ... to bar their progress..." (referring to Germany) - Ahmedinejad.

Even if he doesn't explicity deny it, he casts doubt on it, and uses the word 'myth' to describe it repeatedly. Furthermore, he called a special conference to discuss the existence/nonexistance of the Holocaust.

I can understand how you can support the Palestinian side. I cannot understand how you can support someone who wants to wipe a country off the map.
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First i have no clue wht your talking about in the first paragraph.
In the second paragraph he just says that we should be allowed to research it like every other historyical event. Also he never called a conference to discuss the existance of the holocaust.

And third he never said he wants to wipe a country off the map. The phrase does not exist in Farsi.
 
Tired said:
There's a range of acceptable political discourse that is tolerated by most people in this country. Of course voting against W shouldn't get you a "love it or leave it" comment.
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Oh but it does to the pundatry and the more extreme factions of both parties. Gotta love how polarized everyone is these days.

But when you actively support the leader of a foreign country who has expressed a desire to destroy your nation and kill your fellow citizens, "get out of here" isn't really an unexpected response.
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I think the sig is intentionally provocative. Giving this particular posters previous comments on certain issues, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of depth to his political statements.

That being said, I can't stand "love it, or leave it". It's a lame talking point void of any sense. However, for people that are guests in this country that continually bag on it, I think "if you hate it so much, why are you still here?" is a legitimate question.
 
Kthanksbye said:
Both the Israelis and the Palestinians will have to give a little to create any lasting peace. But each time they get close, one side decides it's all or nothing and they start back up again. If only they could read this thread, there would be peace in the middle east forever...😉
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I dont think there could ever be peace in the middle east until the oil runs out.
 
Old Grunt said:
Oh but it does to the pundatry and the more extreme factions of both parties. Gotta love how polarized everyone is these days.



I think the sig is intentionally provocative. Giving this particular posters previous comments on certain issues, I wouldn't expect a whole lot of depth to his political statements.

That being said, I can't stand "love it, or leave it". It's a lame talking point void of any sense. However, for people that are guests in this country that continually bag on it, I think "if you hate it so much, why are you still here?" is a legitimate question.
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Where did i say that i hate America. Dont put words in my mouth. I dont believe the crap they say about how Iran is attacking American soldiers in Iraq. They are also linking Iran to terrorists. Does this remind you of something hint "Iraq 2002"
 
notdeadyet said:
Happy Veteran's Day to you and yours, Old Grunt.
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Thanks. I actually thought it was yesterday, or the day before.

Obviously, I am not a terribly engaged veteran, but I am glad that the holiday exists.
 
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