Genetics Pre-Req

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I'm considering an online Genetics course (MCB X143 ... link is below) through UC Berkeley Extension. It will satisfy Western's Genetics requirement, thoughts on if UC Davis' will accept it? Do they consider UCB Extension a "4 year school"?

http://extension.berkeley.edu/cat/course358.html

I'm applying this fall and would like to take this over the summer.

Thank you!
 
Yes, it will work. If you go to assist.org you can find out the articulation agreement for UCB to Davis vet classes.
Articulation Agreement by Major
Effective during the 09-10 Academic Year

====UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine Prerequisites====
SUBJECT REQUIREMENTS
LOWER DIVISION: |
CHEMISTRY 2A+2B+2C (General Chem) |CHEM 1A+3A+3B+3AL
CHEMISTRY 8A+8B (Organic Chem) |CHEM 1A+3A+3B+3AL
PHYSICS 1A+1B (Principles of Physics) |PHYSICS 8A+8B
BIOLOGY 2A (Life on Earth) |BIOLOGY 1A+1B
BIOLOGY 2B (Ecology & Evolution) |BIOLOGY 1A+1B
BIOLOGY 2C (Biodiversity) |BIOLOGY 1A+1B
UPPER DIVISION: |
BIOLSCI 101 (Genetics) |MCELLBI 142 or 140 or MCB X143 or 104
|or IB164 or X143
AN BIOL 102 (Biochemistry) |MCELLBI 100B or 102 or X115A or X105
NE PH B 101 (Physiology) |INTEGBI 148 or MCELLBI 136 or X105

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ZebraFinch - Thank you.

When I originally went to assist.org, I didn't see a drop down for UCB Extension, so I wasn't sure. Looks like you choose the UC Berkeley drop down.

Thanks again.

Yes, it will work. If you go to assist.org you can find out the articulation agreement for UCB to Davis vet classes.


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Yeah, it can be a bit tricky. Yasmin just updated it a few days ago so it's all nice and current now. 🙂
 
I took Animal Genetics (ANSI 3423) through Oklahoma State University's Independent Study and all the schools that I applied to (including UC Davis) accepted it. I think it's less expensive than the UCB Extension course so it might be worth looking into. It was really easy too!

http://is.okstate.edu/courses.aspx
 
I took Animal Genetics (ANSI 3423) through Oklahoma State University's Independent Study and all the schools that I applied to (including UC Davis) accepted it. I think it's less expensive than the UCB Extension course so it might be worth looking into. It was really easy too!

http://is.okstate.edu/courses.aspx

Fookie - Good to know and thanks for the tip. Does the course follow OSU's calendar or do you go at your own pace?
 
Fookie - Good to know and thanks for the tip. Does the course follow OSU's calendar or do you go at your own pace?

You can sign up anytime and go at your own pace. You also have a year to finish it. I believe there were something like 12 homework assignments and 4 exams. I was foolish and decided to wait until I only had a month left before I started on the course. 😱 I finished it in about 4 weeks, but wouldn't recommend it. If you do end up taking it, you should request that all your tests be sent to your proctor at the beginning so you don't have to waste time any time waiting for them. Good luck!
 
I signed up for the same UC Berkeley extension genetics course online last fall, and ended up having to drop it. If you're REALLY good at being self paced, then I'd say go for it. But if you need assignments due every few weeks or so to keep you on track, this isn't a good class to take, because there is literally no monitoring of your progress. You also have to write a ten page paper on something genetics related. And just as a warning, the book really blows. It presents already complicated material in the most confusing way. I turned in the first 4 assignments (each one took me hours to complete on my own, because of how badly the book explains things) before deciding to drop it. I'm planning on re-taking the course this summer on campus where I'll actually be taught the material instead of having to learn it on my own from a horrible book.
 
Fookie - Who did you get to proctor?

Fookie and teatime - Yeah, self paced is a double edged sword ... you don't have to goto class, which could be a good or bad thing. I'll have to be madly disclipined.

You can sign up anytime and go at your own pace. You also have a year to finish it. I believe there were something like 12 homework assignments and 4 exams. I was foolish and decided to wait until I only had a month left before I started on the course. 😱 I finished it in about 4 weeks, but wouldn't recommend it. If you do end up taking it, you should request that all your tests be sent to your proctor at the beginning so you don't have to waste time any time waiting for them. Good luck!
 
I took Animal Genetics (ANSI 3423) through Oklahoma State University's Independent Study and all the schools that I applied to (including UC Davis) accepted it. I think it's less expensive than the UCB Extension course so it might be worth looking into. It was really easy too!

http://is.okstate.edu/courses.aspx


What other schools accepted it? It does look cheaper than re-taking through UCB.
 
I'm considering an online Genetics course (MCB X143 ... link is below) through UC Berkeley Extension. It will satisfy Western's Genetics requirement, thoughts on if UC Davis' will accept it? Do they consider UCB Extension a "4 year school"?

http://extension.berkeley.edu/cat/course358.html

I'm applying this fall and would like to take this over the summer.

Thank you!

I took this course to fill my Genetics pre-req at Davis (they approved it).

I found it rather frustrating. The instructor didn't give feedback on the assignments; it seemed as if he just gave us A's on everything. I didn't feel like I learned or understood things very well, and the 25 page written final wasn't very pleasant.

I ended up getting an A despite not feeling comfortable with the material. All of this is just my opinion, but my advice is this: If you want to learn the material and enjoy genetics, try another class; however, if you just need to get a pre-req filled and/or need a flexible schedule (like I did), this course will work!
 
FWIW I took Genetics online at KSU and really enjoyed it. Their class is a cross listed course so you could either register for grad or undergrad credit. I didn't have a problem with any of the 9 schools I applied to accepting it- although I didn't apply to Davis.

It was a little more costly that some other options, but it was all online (translate: no mailing tests back and forth) and allowed me to somewhat work at my own pace. You can either take the full semester, or summer term in my case, or burn through the material if you want to complete the course on a faster time frame. I took it during an 8 week summer session and had it done in about a month.

Cost was around $1100. For the quality of KSU's distance learning I think it was well worth the cost. I'd highly recommend it and happy to give more info if anyone is interested.
 
Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa, Ohio, and Tufts all accepted the Oklahoma State University course.

I got a librarian to proctor my exams.
 
I took this course to fill my Genetics pre-req at Davis (they approved it).

I found it rather frustrating. The instructor didn't give feedback on the assignments; it seemed as if he just gave us A's on everything. I didn't feel like I learned or understood things very well, and the 25 page written final wasn't very pleasant.

I ended up getting an A despite not feeling comfortable with the material. All of this is just my opinion, but my advice is this: If you want to learn the material and enjoy genetics, try another class; however, if you just need to get a pre-req filled and/or need a flexible schedule (like I did), this course will work!


totally agreed!
 
ZebraFinch et al - Over this past winter, I took Physics 21 (basically the "calculus" version of Physics 6) at Santa Monica College. I don't see the class listed on assist.org ... think UC Davis will have a problem with that? I will send Kim a quick note to confirm, but wanted to get your thoughts.

Fookie Cat - Librarian ... great idea

Yes, it will work. If you go to assist.org you can find out the articulation agreement for UCB to Davis vet classes.


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I just checked with Ohio State, and they said that the OKSU Animal Genetics class will NOT satisfy the requirement. Hrmm...
 
I just checked with Ohio State, and they said that the OKSU Animal Genetics class will NOT satisfy the requirement. Hrmm...

teatime - Hmmm, perhaps they're changing their policy as they approved it in the past based on previous responses ....
 
I just checked with Ohio State, and they said that the OKSU Animal Genetics class will NOT satisfy the requirement. Hrmm...

Aw, that's too bad! Did you talk to Ms. Paletta? She's the person who approved mine. She's super nice!
 
Aw, that's too bad! Did you talk to Ms. Paletta? She's the person who approved mine. She's super nice!

No, I didn't. I asked the person I did talk to to re-check for me. Do you know how I'd find Ms. Paletta's contact info?
 
No, I didn't. I asked the person I did talk to to re-check for me. Do you know how I'd find Ms. Paletta's contact info?

Whenever I had a question regarding prerequisites, I just called the admissions office and they always transferred my call to her. I'm assuming you can just call them and ask for her specifically?
 
I'm not sure if it will work, assist.org doesn't list it:
To: UCD School of Veterinary Medicine | From: Santa Monica College

PHYSICS 1A+1B (Principles of Physics) |PHYSCS 6+7 or 8+9
But I'm not sure if this has been updated, so it's best to check with Yasmin. She'll be able to tell you for sure if it will count.
 
Well, just to throw another option out there for people:

I took genetics through the University of Kentucky Independent Study Program (BIO 304 - 4 hrs, $1300 [yikes!]). All the schools I applied to seem to have accepted it (CSU, WSU, OrgSU, Tufts, Cornell, and UC-Davis).

It was a correspondence course, so all the assignments were on paper and sent through the mail (though I know they are working on getting more online/email options). You can sign up any time, and you get one year to complete the class. You can also get a 4-month extension for $50.

You also do not need to worry about having met their specific pre-reqs for the course (i.e., you don't need to send them your transcript or anything) unless you happen to be a current University of Kentucky student.


Pros: Even though the class is through the mail, I felt the professor was very helpful. She gave me lots feedback about things I got wrong on the assignments, including writing out the correct answer and drawing pictures to help explain things better. She also sent me a blank old final exam (with answers on a separate piece of paper) to help me study. She was much more helpful and involved than a lot of in-person professors I've had.

Also, transcripts from them are $5 each (including regular mail postage; I've never tried to do overnight or anything like that with them), the least expensive I've run into.


Cons: The textbook is one of the most poorly written, unengaging textbooks I may have ever read. And since it's your only real "lecture" material, you have to read rather a lot of it. I like to look at the bright side, though, and I think it did help me understand genetics better since, after reading the chapter, I had to go back and figure out what it really meant.

If I remember correctly, there is only one exam (the final), and it does need to be proctored (some people consider this a con). I found it pretty hassle-free to get that set up.
 
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You can sign up anytime and go at your own pace. You also have a year to finish it. I believe there were something like 12 homework assignments and 4 exams. I was foolish and decided to wait until I only had a month left before I started on the course. 😱 I finished it in about 4 weeks, but wouldn't recommend it. If you do end up taking it, you should request that all your tests be sent to your proctor at the beginning so you don't have to waste time any time waiting for them. Good luck!

I think I'm going to end up going with this class. A few questions, though. Is it a correspondence course, or are the assignments turned in online? Is the book for the course sent to you (it seemed that way on the enrollment form), or where do you find what book/where to buy it from?
 
I think I'm going to end up going with this class. A few questions, though. Is it a correspondence course, or are the assignments turned in online? Is the book for the course sent to you (it seemed that way on the enrollment form), or where do you find what book/where to buy it from?

Did you talk to OSU to make sure they still accepted it?

They'll mail you the book after you register for the course. It's called iGenetics: A Mendelian Approach. The professor assigns problems out of the book and you just e-mail your answers to him. Keep in mind that this is an independent study course (not an online course) so you are pretty much on your own. The material is not hard though and the professor is really helpful.
 
Did you talk to OSU to make sure they still accepted it?

They'll mail you the book after you register for the course. It's called iGenetics: A Mendelian Approach. The professor assigns problems out of the book and you just e-mail your answers to him. Keep in mind that this is an independent study course (not an online course) so you are pretty much on your own. The material is not hard though and the professor is really helpful.

Yes, I had them re-check the equivalency and they approved it. At least now I have written (e-mail) proof.

The setup of the class sounds pretty simple. I just wanted to make sure that e-mail contact with the teacher was available. Thanks for all the info!
 
Yes, I had them re-check the equivalency and they approved it. At least now I have written (e-mail) proof.

The setup of the class sounds pretty simple. I just wanted to make sure that e-mail contact with the teacher was available. Thanks for all the info!

No problem! Sometimes the professor will take a couple days to respond, but he is very thorough with his answers. The material is straightforward so I'm sure you won't have any problems at all! 🙂
 
I took this course to fill my Genetics pre-req at Davis (they approved it).

I found it rather frustrating. The instructor didn't give feedback on the assignments; it seemed as if he just gave us A's on everything. I didn't feel like I learned or understood things very well, and the 25 page written final wasn't very pleasant.

I ended up getting an A despite not feeling comfortable with the material. All of this is just my opinion, but my advice is this: If you want to learn the material and enjoy genetics, try another class; however, if you just need to get a pre-req filled and/or need a flexible schedule (like I did), this course will work!

teatime and Pomona 2006,

Can you please describe the 25 page final from Dr. Earnshaw's class? I am not too concerned about the actual questions, more so with the format (25 pages ???). As far as the material goes, do the HW assignments really prepare you for the final?

I am currently at Module 7 and planning to take the final in a month from now. By the way ... I completely agree with everything that you said about the course ... at least so far.

Thank you for your response.
 
teatime and Pomona 2006,

Can you please describe the 25 page final from Dr. Earnshaw's class? I am not too concerned about the actual questions, more so with the format (25 pages ???). As far as the material goes, do the HW assignments really prepare you for the final?

I am currently at Module 7 and planning to take the final in a month from now. By the way ... I completely agree with everything that you said about the course ... at least so far.

Thank you for your response.

I'm not one of those guys, but I also took the course last year (and had a similar experience to those above). I seem to remember that the test was similar to the homework questions. It was long, but reasonable I thought. I think part of the reason it is so many pages is that you write right on it and you are given plenty of spaces for your responses. If all that space was taken out it would be much shorter 😀. With that said, it was probably the longest final exam I have ever taken, and I used nearly all of the time allotted (was that 3 or 4 hours?). The exam is not returned to you, nor did I ever get a grade for it, so I have no idea how I did except for guessing based on my final grade in the class. I hope I won't be too far behind in vet school because of not learning all that I was supposed to in this class!

Good luck! I was a supreme procrastinator and did the last three units, the paper, and the final all in a 2 week window. I now know that self paced is not good for me though.
 
Sorry, can't help with the question about the final exam.... I never got that far! haha.. I made it to like the 4th hw assignment and dropped. I also really did not want to write that paper.

Sounds like the question got answered for you though... ^
 
I'm not one of those guys, but I also took the course last year (and had a similar experience to those above). I seem to remember that the test was similar to the homework questions. It was long, but reasonable I thought. I think part of the reason it is so many pages is that you write right on it and you are given plenty of spaces for your responses. If all that space was taken out it would be much shorter 😀. With that said, it was probably the longest final exam I have ever taken, and I used nearly all of the time allotted (was that 3 or 4 hours?). The exam is not returned to you, nor did I ever get a grade for it, so I have no idea how I did except for guessing based on my final grade in the class.

Just about everything here sounds about right from my recollection. It really was the longest exam of my life. I definitely had questions that I had absolutely no idea how to respond to, but managed to do well. I wouldn't sweat it too much. 🙂
 
Just about everything here sounds about right from my recollection. It really was the longest exam of my life. I definitely had questions that I had absolutely no idea how to respond to, but managed to do well. I wouldn't sweat it too much. 🙂

Thanks all for the feedback, very helpful.

I see that UCLA Extension is offering Life Sciences XL 4 over the summer ... Unfortunately, this class isn't listed on Western's pre-req DB ... I've send them an email, but one knows how long that can take for them to respond. If they'll accept it, I'll enroll as at least it's in a classroom with a live professor.

https://www.uclaextension.edu/r/Course.aspx?reg=V7189

Fookie Cat - You mentioned that the OKSU professor was rather helpful, which is great ... how was the final? Did you have to do a paper as well?

ZebraFinch - Just to close the loop regarding Physics, Davis said they'll take 21+7 from SMC.
 
Thanks all for the feedback, very helpful.

I see that UCLA Extension is offering Life Sciences XL 4 over the summer ... Unfortunately, this class isn't listed on Western's pre-req DB ... I've send them an email, but one knows how long that can take for them to respond. If they'll accept it, I'll enroll as at least it's in a classroom with a live professor.

https://www.uclaextension.edu/r/Course.aspx?reg=V7189

Fookie Cat - You mentioned that the OKSU professor was rather helpful, which is great ... how was the final? Did you have to do a paper as well?

ZebraFinch - Just to close the loop regarding Physics, Davis said they'll take 21+7 from SMC.

It is definitely accepted by Davis. I don't know anything about Western's "DB" but all XL extension classes are interchangeable with regular UCLA classes, and this is the only genetics class at UCLA, so it is hard to imagine Western NOT accepting it for some reason.
 
It is definitely accepted by Davis. I don't know anything about Western's "DB" but all XL extension classes are interchangeable with regular UCLA classes, and this is the only genetics class at UCLA, so it is hard to imagine Western NOT accepting it for some reason.

Startingover - Thanks and also thanks for your input on Biochem.

Here's the Western Pre-req DB (database) that I mentioned. http://wsprod.westernu.edu/wu/admn_...LLEGE_ID=844&COLLEGE_NAME=U&DEPT_NAME=VetMed&
 
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