Getting "Good" in EM instead of honors.

[han14tra]

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I don't understand this. Here are my comments:

"She was always eager to see patients on her own. Volenteered for procedures and really worked well with the ED team. Scored 95% EM Clerkship Exam. She demonstrated a great knowledge base and a real desire to learn. She demonstrated great skills - particularly in suturing and wound repair. I believe she has great potential to become an excellent EM Resident and with continued learning and training an Excellent EM Physician. It was a pleasure to work with her."

Can I appeal the grade? I'm applying to EM. I really just think he didn't understand that "good" is actually bad. He told me numerous times that I was one of the best med students he's ever worked with.

 

[sylvanthus]

Wait, is this an SLOR, a LOR, an EM core grade, what is this?

 

[han14tra]

Wait, is this an SLOR, a LOR, an EM core grade, what is this?

EM core grade.

 

[sylvanthus]

Whats the rest of your app look like?

 

[han14tra]

Whats the rest of your app look like?

Average. So, I am screwed.

 

[Poetic Silence]

I was under the impression that EM was not a highly competitive specialty. By all means, appeal a grade and burn a bridge if it makes you happy, but you should be fine if EM residency is your goal.

 

[sylvanthus]

Bahh you are not screwed, EM has average board scores and such. You will likely be fine.

 

[JacobMcCandles]

You may find this hard to believe, but I've actually heard of people who didn't get honors that still ended up matching. Crazy, I know.

 

[Apollyon]

I was under the impression that EM was not a highly competitive specialty. By all means, appeal a grade and burn a bridge if it makes you happy, but you should be fine if EM residency is your goal.

Dude, just don't say anything. Please. I'm your friend. You are speaking with authority you don't have. If you are trying to be ironic or sarcastic, it doesn't work. If you are being sincere, you don't know what you don't know.

 

[Belleza156]

You may find this hard to believe, but I've actually heard of people who didn't get honors that still ended up matching. Crazy, I know.

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[red10]

Those seem like great comments. I mean if it was "good" and comments were like "eh. they passed." or "didn't kill anyone" I'd actually be worried.
Maybe honors is reserved for best of the best of the best, sir kinds of people who could already be a practicing doc.

You're just gonna look like a giant tool if you appeal

 

[da8s0859q]

Dude, just don't say anything. Please. I'm your friend. You are speaking with authority you don't have. If you are trying to be ironic or sarcastic, it doesn't work. If you are being sincere, you don't know what you don't know.

Thank you.

OP, I'm an M4 applying right along with you, but my understanding from talking to people is that there is nothing about that eval that would shut doors on you. Probably wouldn't want to appeal and rock boats. Leave it to Apollyon and company to confirm.

 

[Groove]

You worry too much, sounds like a good eval. For God's sake don't appeal anything or burn bridges (along with your britches) like the other poster suggested.

 

[Docuronium]

All this being said, I think it's at least going to one of the clerkship leaders and in a friendly manner asking how:

"She was always eager to see patients on her own. Volenteered for procedures and really worked well with the ED team. Scored 95% EM Clerkship Exam. She demonstrated a great knowledge base and a real desire to learn. She demonstrated great skills - particularly in suturing and wound repair. I believe she has great potential to become an excellent EM Resident and with continued learning and training an Excellent EM Physician. It was a pleasure to work with her."

doesn't translate into honors. Because that's sure what it sounds like to me.

Unless something egregious happened, I don't think it's ever worth appealing your grade.

 

[Rendar5]

All this being said, I think it's at least going to one of the clerkship leaders and in a friendly manner asking how:

"She was always eager to see patients on her own. Volenteered for procedures and really worked well with the ED team. Scored 95% EM Clerkship Exam. She demonstrated a great knowledge base and a real desire to learn. She demonstrated great skills - particularly in suturing and wound repair. I believe she has great potential to become an excellent EM Resident and with continued learning and training an Excellent EM Physician. It was a pleasure to work with her."

doesn't translate into honors. Because that's sure what it sounds like to me.

There's nothing friendly about that question. It's an accusatory question regardless of how much of a smile there is in front of it.

 

[Groove]

There's nothing friendly about that question. It's an accusatory question regardless of how much of a smile there is in front of it.

Listen to this dude... don't screw yourself. You have a good eval, leave it be.

 

[Docuronium]

There's nothing friendly about that question. It's an accusatory question regardless of how much of a smile there is in front of it.

My point here is that the two don't match up. Seems unlikely that someone could be an "excellent EM student", score a 95% on the clerkship exam, and be rated in the bottom 1/3 of the group. (I'm assuming this is going off the SLOR format)

If you can't go to your clerkship director and in a friendly manner ask why your received a certain grade, when all other things point to being an excellent student, it seems like an overly hostile environment.

 

[Docuronium]

My point here is that the two don't match up. Seems unlikely that someone could be an "excellent EM student", score a 95% on the clerkship exam, and be rated in the bottom 1/3 of the group. (I'm assuming this is going off the SLOR format)

If you can't go to your clerkship director and in a friendly manner ask why your received a certain grade, when all other things point to being an excellent student, it seems like an overly hostile environment.

Unless the other 2/3 are scoring greater than 95%, see the entire department by themselves, are publishing in Annals every other month, and on top of that bring donuts every morning.

As tough as the environment can be at our school, it is certainly not uncommon to ask how you could have done better and why you got the grade that you did.

 

[red10]

Unless the other 2/3 are scoring greater than 95%, see the entire department by themselves, are publishing in Annals every other month, and on top of that bring donuts every morning.

As tough as the environment can be at our school, it is certainly not uncommon to ask how you could have done better and why you got the grade that you did.

Asking how you can improve is different than "why did i get this grade". The first sounds more humble, the latter sounds entitled.

 

[EMmotherhen]

At my program we save Honors for the "holy cow that kid was freaking amazing" student(s). So not every block has an honors student. "Good" is not bad. Don't think that. When I'm reading your application I'm looking at the faculty comments and your comments are going to get you invited to interview. Until all schools agree to a standardized rating system "good", "pass", "high pass" and "honors" are just individual opinions. Our High Pass is another school's Honors and yet another school's Pass. It's what they actually take the time to say about you that counts. And you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Docuronium]

True, I don't think an honors grade is necessary. But on the SLOR, "good" is listed as the bottom category, and this performance doesn't sound like it merited that grade.