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do you guys think its possible to get an oms residency with 3.1 gpa and 85 national board scores. i think it would be possible to get with it a year of internship or gpr, but what about without it? any personal experience would be greatly appreciated
 
A student who just graduated told us that there were still OMS spots open during the post match this year. Post match means that the programs didn't get any of the candidates they wanted, and now those spots are game for anyone who contacts the program and wants them.

But you'll never know unless you try. So you might as well give it a shot and see what happens. You should also look at what past graduates from you school who got into OMS attained to maybe get a better idea of where you stand.

Sorry I don't have any personal experience I could offer you.
 
JDMD:

What's up bud? I, too, are aiming to specialize in OMFS upon my graduation in 2006. However, now as a D2, I'm not in position to evaluate what your numbers can or can not get you into OMS residencies.

BUT....

What I CAN share with you is what OMS directors have shared with me since the beginning of my dental education. Now after you read what they have shared with me and what they look for in their applicants, I feel strongly that you'll get a sense of where you stand in the applicant pool.

Even with that said, you never know, I'd say you apply and let us know!

Here it goes:

1) University of Maryland - OMS/MD - Dr. Blanchaert

3.5 or greater
90 or better on NBDE Part I (95 is best)
top 10% of class - in small class size (<50) best to be #1 or #2
Work closely with faculty on anything - that makes them a good judge of your character, work ethic and stability - all great things to include in a letter of recommendation.
Most of all learn general dentistry as a priority - these others are just plusses.

2) University of Miami - OMS/MD (optional) - Eric R. Carlson, DMD, MD

Your enthusiasm is appreciated. I wish every applicant to our
program would be similarly interested in proper preparation. My basic criteria for offering an interview to the program include excellent grades, part I board scores of at least 90% ( preferably > 95%), and excellent letters of recommendation. Aside from these, I would recommend research activities according to your interests. Best wishes.

3) Long Island Jewish Medical Center - OMS/MD - Dr. Ruggiero

My advice to you is to do well in dental school and the boards. We also look very closely at your performance in college. I would be sure to complete Oral surgery exterships in the third year.
good luck

4) University of Minnesota - OMS - Dr. Swift

It is good to see that you are interested in OMS. It is a truly
rewarding and interesting profession.

Many programs look at NDBE and GPA as a screening mechanism to determine if you have the intellectual skills to perform well as a resident. As a general rule, you should look at the 90th percentile on NDBEs as a benchmark on both Part I and II. I do know that some programs use that mark as a minimum for acceptance into medical school. I think it is arbitrarily determined however.

We do keep data on residents applying to our program. We generally have 100 applications for our 3 positions. Realize that does not mean that only 3 of those 100 will train in OMS. Most candidates apply for about 10-20 programs. There are just under 2 qualified applicants per position in the US.

The dental school GPAs of our interviewees last year was 3.76 on a 4 point scale. The NDBE Part I score was 92%. The Part II score was 85%. 4% of our interviewees were female.

As far as research is concerned, I would suggest that you get started early with aspirations of presenting at the AAOMS annual meeting (deadline is April 1 for astracts for its fall meeting) and/or the AADR/IADR meeting held in March of each year with abstract deadline in the fall. The research experience will be looked upon with great favor.

Lastly, get to know the OMS faculty at Nova. Look for opportunities to do externships outside at other programs, generally offered in the summer.

If you have other questions, please contact me.

5) University of Connecticut Health Center - OMS/MD - Dr. Shafer

Basic things to keep in mind. A part I Board score average over 90 is good. Even better if it is over 92 especially in biochem, micro and path. Research and a good recommendation from a mentor is also helpful. Do some externships at good programs. At least one and two is better. Class rank in the top 10% is also good. MD programs will look more closely at your Board scores and your undergraduate grades. Your undergraduate grades should be above a 3.4 from a good school for MD programs.

6) University of Michigan - OMS/MD - Dr. Helman

Thanks for your email. I am impressed with your early determination of your post-graduate education. In general at the University of Michigan we interview candidates with a GPA above 3.75 and more than 90 in the National Boards (while most of the time our residents achieve a score above 95).

It is very relevant for an OMS to have a team work approach, high moral standard, unlimited dedication to patient care and compassion to the patient's needs.

Research experience is valuable, especially at our institution since we have a commitment to academic surgery. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact our coordinator of our residency program and assistant to the Program Director, Mrs. Linda Trese (who I copied on my response to you).

7) University of Illinois Chicago - OMS/MD - Dr. Meer, DDS, MS

Thank you for your recent correspondence. It is indeed competitive applying to OMFS programs, whether they are MD programs or not. We receive 150-200 applications per year. Many programs will have internal requirements for applicants to make the first "cut." This usually means that an assistant will review the applications for GPA, board scores, and class rank.

Applications that do not meet the minimum requirements generally go no further. The rest are then more thoroughly reviewed, and the most qualified applicants receive interview invitations. While this does not occur in our program (all of our applications are reviewed completely), this is the norm for many programs around the country.

As for GPA, class rank, and board scores, obviously the higher the better. Many programs will insist on a minimum of 90 on the boards, and the upper 10-20% in class rank. While research is not required, it is always a plus. Extracurricular activities are an added dimension for review as well as experience - working for an oral surgeon and externships. The application pool usually consists of highly qualified individuals, so anything that would stand out to make an applicant appear unique would help.

I hope that this information helps.

8) University of North Carolina - MD/OMS - Dr. Zuniga

Thank you for your message and expressed interest in the OMS program at UNC. We current have 1 position a year available for the integrated MD/OMS program at UNC. This positioned is competetively offered through the PASS/MATCH program. The candidates usually are profiled in the following ways:

top 10-15% of class rank
National Board scores>90
GPA >3.5
outstanding letters of rec from OMS clinicians and academicians reserch experience

I hope that helps, we look forward to your applications for 06.

9) Louisiana State University Health Science Center - OMS/MD - Dr. Block

At our institution, we desire rank in the top ten (single digits)
and boards over 90. Then we look at research and other leadership participation, and evidence of overachieving, poise and maturity. Your rank needs to go up. Keep up the hard work. Good luck. After you get to single digits rank and over 90, you should do a one month or 3 week externship in OMS during the time between your 3rd and 4th years.

Oh, I think that's enough directions and advice, huh? As you can see, it's a pretty competitive process. I like how Dr. Meer from Illinois had put it that some OMS programs screen their applicants solely on their numbers. If you don't have it, they don't even see your application!

Keep in mind, there are students out there that matched OMS residencies with a 3.2 GPA, ranked 28th in their class, and only 85 on NBDE Part I, but if I had those stats, I would be discouraged. It's a competitive applicant pool out there!

Apply and let us know!

Question: Are these emails great info or what?! :clap:
 
yah-e, you are quite a source of information. as for the "needing to be 3.9 with over 90 boards," well thats just not true. everyone at my school matched this year and i know that many had numbers no where near that. the fact remains that i go to school with an exceptional clinical reputation and i think that has something to do with it. regardless, i would like opinions from people who have either just gone through the process, or are going through it now, like myself. either way thanks for the input.
 
JDMD:

I don't think you'll find too many recent OMS matched dental students here, but one or two.

I do recall a SDN lurker by the name of "ewsmith01" who had recently matched into a OMS/MD program and will start this summer. Maybe you can summon him somehow?

You're correct on that you don't ABSOLUTELY need a 3.8 and 96 on Part I to match, but you'll definitely be much safer if you did have those numbers!

As far as a year of fellowship or GPR, that will definitely help you I think. When I did an externship with University of Minnesota this past spring break in April, there were a Fellowship student and a GPR student in the OMS department. They both were there for a year and then plan to apply next year for residency spots.

Regardless, I personally would appreciated if you would keep us updated on your application process and experiences! Best of luck to you!





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Yea, Dr. Meer is cool. Talked with the guy a couple times when I worked at the OMFS department. Definitely a guy you could drink a beer with. The guy you really want to get in good with at UIC is Dr. Heffez though. A really serious and sometimes intimidating guy b/c he just commands a lot of respect.
 
Hi Pi Guy is UIC near where you live? Good luck on finals 🙂 You'll be fine...
 
Yea, driving would only take 5-10 minutes. (Man, I miss driving). If you take the "L" (Chicago's subway) it would take probably half hour. Why are you so interested in Chicago now...haha. Don't you loooooooooooooove NY? I sure don't
 
NY's fun, but only plan to be here for 3 more years 🙂 Must find the next city I want to live in 🙂 Chicago's nice 🙂 but I also want some sun 🙂
 
Yah-E's communication with OMS directors bring up a good point. Every one of those programs wants students who have 90+ board scores and top ten ranks, with a GPA above 3.5.

However, you can't get discourage by overzealous program directors. Think about it - 50 dental schools in the US. That means there are only 250 students falling in the top 5 (take the top 5 at each dental school and multiply by 50). Those OMS programs aren't all filling their slots with #2, 3.75, 95 board scores. There just aren't enough of those students to go around. The top 5 of every school doesn't just apply to OMS. They also apply to ortho, endo, pedo, GPRs, and some just go straight into private practice. So the programs have to look beyond those stats if they don't want their spots to go unfilled. Sure every program wants the best candidates they can get, anything to make their numbers sound better. But they may have to "settle" for a 3.4, 90, #15 student who has a true interest in oral surgery.

However, the point of those programs using those stats to select their applicants does tell us this: if you have those stats, you can be pretty well assured you'll get accepted to OMS somewhere. That is, as long your recommendations are good and you don't come off as a total prick during the interview (it does happen - the #1 student three years ago didn't match into the specialty they wanted, rumor is it had to do with personality issues).
 
I just came across this website and found this post on getting into an omfs residency. I matched this past January at the University of Minnesota and thought I would try and help answer any questions others might have about the applicaton process, programs, interviews, ect... I thought I would just start by saying you do not need to be #1 in your class or have a 95 on your part I boards to get into a program. Your first goal when applying to programs is to get an interview. There are basically two things that will get you an interview. One is how you look on paper. I would say that if you are looking to get 8 or more interviews you should have a 90 or above on your part I and a class rank in the top 15% (for larger class sizes, my class size was 125). For smaller class sizes I would say you want to be in the top 10%. Forget about your GPA, your class rank is what counts. Most programs need some sort of guideline to start from when giving out interviews and a lot of programs will use the part I board score and class ranks as a starting point. For example one program might say that they will only look at applicants with a 90 or above on their part I, thus if you have below a 90 your automatically dismissed. In my opinion the second most important part, after how you look on paper is your externships. My advise to everyone is to do at least 2 externships (absolute minimum of 1). You can probably get away with one if you are really strong on paper but doing 2 will make you more competitive. These programs want to make sure that you know what your gettting yourself into and that you have some understanding of the lifestyle of a resident. Most importantly is that if you want to go to a particular program I would strongly suggest doing an externship there. I realize that this is getting a little long but there is a lot to talk about so I would be happy to go into more detail or answer more questions whenever asked. My program starts in a week so I might be a little slow in getting back to replies. I wish the best of luck to all future omfs applicants.
 
USC2003:

Congrats on your match with U of MN. U of MN is where I did my undergraduate work and I'm very familiar with the OMS department there. As matter of fact, I just recently did a three-day mini "externship" there this past April and it was a blast! I followed two 3rd-year residents, Luke and Lance (I think they'll be 4th year/Chief residents there this upcoming year) around in the ORs at the Fairview Hospital, absolutely amazing guys!

Drs. Swift, Sandler and Basi, I've known for years, are great to learn from. You'll have a Class A education there.

You're right about an applicant do not necessarily need to be #5 in class rank and get 95 average on Part I to match into an OMS residency, but it'll definitely look more favorable if an applicant has those numbers.

There is an externship offered at U of MN OMS department currently that Dr. Sandler encouraged me to apply in the near future, perhaps we'll meet in person in the years to come.
 
I wonder how JDMD did, if you're lurking...how did you do?

Match or no match?
 
JDMD
Where do you go to school?
 
Just a quick thought about OMS. Remember that when you decide to get an MD, that you forfeit the traditional lifestyle that you would otherwise have as a dentist. This means being on call and increases in insurance. I know a friend of a friend who is in OMS. He absolutely loves his job, but it can be very stressful. After working a 100 hour week, the guy had a heart attack. He is only 50, and has had to change his entire lifestyle.
I say this only to remind you that there are tradeoffs even in the much sought after OMS. If you get in then great, but the other specialities could be just as rewarding and perhaps less stressful.
 
Dentite, Dentite, Dentite....

So you thought you share because you have "one friend" that's an OMFS, huh? Well, I'm glad you shared, but I have to say that you're absolutely, 100%, and definitely INCORRECT on the "stressful lifestyle" comment!

OMFS residency is rigorous, but once you're an OMFS (single or double degree guy), you CHOOSE what type of practice you want to have. I can be a double degree OMFS and only choose to pull 3rds. Oncall? What oncall? You choose what type of OMFS you want to be and what type of practice you want to have, it does not matter what type of training you were subjected to.

As far as insurances goes, heck, when you do light IV sedations and perhaps general anesthesia procedures in your private practice office, your liability insurance will go up no matter what! Your chances of something going wrong during a procedure is greater, therefore more insurance costs. You can be a single or double degree OMFS, as long as you're doing GA or light sedations, your insurance costs will go up! It has nothing to do with either you're a MD or non-MD OMFS. If you're a general dentist doing light sedations, guess what, your liability insurance will go up!

Although your info are incorrect, but reasons to going into OMFS are well pointed out. Whether you want a high liability on your shoulders should definitely be considered prior to choose to specialize in OMFS!
 
Take what I heard for what it is. You've done an externship and probably know more about it than me. No argument. BTW, OMFS makes a financial killing. I'm sure I didn't have to tell you that either.
 
Dentite:

It's all good, we're all here to share! Keep posting!
 
Do you know whether most OMS programs prefer recently graduated dentists or dentists who have 3 or 4 years experience or more?
 
JDMD:

I read Yah-E's toolish post and had to respond. Damnit, Yah-E, how did you get to be the expert on OMFS? B/c you kiss more ass than anyone?

Anyway, JDMD, your numbers aren't good for a 6 year program. They seem to care about board scores more than GPA. As for a 4 year, maybe, with a good chance after a year of internship or GPR.

Just my thoughts
 
JDMD: I forgot to tell you, I had a 3.2, was 43rd in my class, and scored a 93. I got into a six year program. That's why I say your board scores are important. In my case I got in b/c of boards and working hard in externships.
An externship can also ruin you if you're a tool.
 
just to add to TXOMS's post. Don't let his class rank and gpa fool you. he did an externship at his program and made an excellant impression on all residents, staff and attendings. Think of him as the anti-yah-e. it just goes to show you that numbers are not everything.

i think being a tool on an externship can destroy any chance of matching despite the best stats in the world. Stats won't make up for being a tool.
 
No "tool" or ass-kissing here at my externship! I worked hard, residents and faculty taught and I learned.

BTW, omsres and TX OMFS comes in pairs. They're co-residents either at Houston or San Antonio, I forget. I remember you two now. Don't post much, but when you guys do, it's always OMFS related and it's always trying to "correct" people to what you two believe it's correct.
 
TX OMFS said:
JDMD: I forgot to tell you, I had a 3.2, was 43rd in my class, and scored a 93. I got into a six year program. That's why I say your board scores are important. In my case I got in b/c of boards and working hard in externships.
An externship can also ruin you if you're a tool.

TX OMFS, That is one of the most encouraging things I have read on here in a long, long time. It seems like nobody wants to share numbers unless they are phenomenal. I realize, of course, that you had to work your tail off for that 93 and probably twice that hard in your externships; it's just nice to hear that grades and class rank aren't the be-all-end-all. BTW, did you graduate from one of the TX schools?
 
Here is a question for tex and omsres. What 6-year programs do you know of that require an undergrad degree? I only know of UCSF.
 
I graduated from San Antonio, OMSRES graduated from Univ of Tennessee in Memphis. As for who requires an undergrad degree, I wasn't even aware that was a requirement anywhere. I didn't get a degree, either, so I guess it's not a big deal.

Yah-E, we don't correct everyone, just the BS. But, I guess you know so much about OMFS b/c you've done four externships, graduated from dental school, interviewed, been accepted to a residency, worked with all kinds of externs, and interviewed potential applicants--no, wait, that's what OMRES and I have done. Yah-E, you are informative, but somebody's got to keep you in check and be down to earth. I think the other dental students here appreciate what I and OMSRES have to say, but if they don't I don't care. I'm still going to call you a tool.
 
TX OMFS:

Fine....I'm a "tool".....don't bother me. Cool tool who's a fool, likes to drool in the pool.

Hey listen man, like I said before, it's always good to have Post-doc residents hanging around here (cools or fools), 3 years ago, there were none. I believe there are like 6 or 7 of OMFS residents lurking on SDN now.

Keep on the postings and remember to cheer me on! You'll be a 4th-year "IF" and when I match and start in two years.
 
So it seems that we are having a complex of internet firewall syndrome... tx oms and omsres seem to enjoy attacking people on the message boards for no apparent reason. Constructive criticism is always nice but calling people names like "tool" only lowers your credibility. Or possibly these two have already developed a surgeon's superiority complex already? In my opinion, such attitudes are just not necessary and are not welcome in the dental community. Maybe you should have skipped the DMD/DDS and gone straight to the MD, such ultra- competive attitudes tend to be encouraged there.

As for Yah-E's posts, thank you. I do enjoy reading the perspectives of students going on externships. Being put in an intimidating environment where you are not only judged by your knowledge, skills, and work habit, but also your personality is certainly a difficult one. I am glad to see you have prospered. I know that I would MUCH rather (as both a patient and a colleague) see an OMS who is not only competent but who can explain their procedures with such candor as Andy did during his externship experience. We, furthermore, must remember that many attendings and directors of residency programs do treat those who are truly excited about their field differently than those who merely present with outstanding scores. It certainly makes a better impression that you seem so dedicated and excited about the externship that you go out of your way to post your experiences on the internet for all to share.

Unless I have the point wrong... maybe we, as a whole, are not supposed to get excited about dentistry? I know that in my case, there is nothing farther from the truth.

-Mike
NSUCDM; D-2
 
omsres and TX OMFS both sound like they are jealous of the attention Yah-E is getting for his posts, like an older insecure sibling not receiving any familial attention during his/her younger sibling's graduation ("You think that's special? Wait till you get to my level, because I've been through ...etc.")

You two could provide fascinating new perspectives -- those from OMS residents -- to supplement Yah-E's posts. Instead, you choose to be trolls. Name calling destroys your credibility and, frankly, makes me not care what you have to say.
 
The other OMS thread has already been closed for this kind of garbage. Unless this thread gets back on track in a hurry, I'm going to start hoping for a repeat performance. Show some maturity, folks.
 
hey dont worry guys TX OMFS is a nice person - I'm pretty sure I know who ya are (Big T?)! just dont ask him to arm wrestle you
 
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