"Getting in with a 2.8 GPA"

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I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?

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I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?

Heh. I was thinking of writing the same thing (albeit with a lower starting GPA).

To answer your question, yes I believe people would buy it.
 
I don't know that there's anything sufficiently unique and compelling about someone getting in with a 2.8 UG GPA to be book-worthy. If it were just 300 pages of you doing a postbac/getting another degree/studying for the MCAT ... no. I can barely muster the interest to read a single BB post about that.

If there's something really different and interesting about why your GPA was so low (say, a life-threatening disease) or how you improved your application (saving kids in India), maybe you'd have something there.

I don't think a book of advice on how to make up for a bad GPA would be very successful, either. Most of the people anal enough to read books about how to get into med school are anal enough not to get a bad GPA in the first place. And it's pretty common knowledge how you "fix" a bad GPA, no one's going to spend $19.99 at Borders to figure that nugget of wisdom out.

My friends wouldn't read it. I don't have many premed friends though. :laugh:
 
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i think if it anecdotal and humorous and not serious, people would buy it. i don't think there's much of a market out there for it, and medical schools may not be happy with that out there. that and i don't see how you could make a 100+pg book on what you did to get to where you are.

personally, i think your story would be best on a website like this where premeds come. as this website becomes more popular, your info would be appreciated.
 
I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?


well, what did you do... briefly... ?
 
yeah i want to hear this! i am interested indeed. give us a preface....or something abridged.
 
I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?

I'll agree with the rest of the posters here. There would need to be a hook and some fine writing - or they could just tune into SDN.
 
I'd write it. SDN seems to attract the people who are on top of their game with semidecent to overthetop grades. There's a crapload of people who get rejected in the US every year. So you have an annually refreshed pool of people who would buy your book, assuming it was somewhat helpful.

I'd say do it. These days people will read anything, as long as its well publicized and advertised.
 
i have a friend who wants to write a book on me about how to get into medical school. he wanted to chronicle my daily life 😴 and obsessive habits that i seem to share with all you guys
 
Also, when people have a problem, theyre not all going to come running to SDN. We have only 91000 members, 30000 of which are active. 30,000 is about the size of one applicant pool, and not all of them are coming to this subforum, or even still premed. You might factor in people who are just lurking, but judging by the amount of views we get on the threads it can't be that much. SDN is not a household name. When it is, perhaps your book will be unprofitable.
 
Also, when people have a problem, theyre not all going to come running to SDN. We have only 91000 members, 30000 of which are active. 30,000 is about the size of one applicant pool, and not all of them are coming to this subforum, or even still premed. You might factor in people who are just lurking, but judging by the amount of views we get on the threads it can't be that much. SDN is not a household name. When it is, perhaps your book will be unprofitable.

That's true. Most pre-meds I know in real life have never heard of mdapps or SDN. Thank god :meanie:
 
That's true. Most pre-meds I know in real life have never heard of mdapps or SDN. Thank god :meanie:

MOst of the ones I know that kno about SDN hate it. They think it causes unneccessary stress. I love it here, because the people are so uptight and stressed and theres so many forum noobs that flaming results in great entertainment.
 
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Sadly enough, your GPA is too high for a book. No offense, but I wouldn't buy it. The fact of the matter is, not many people with less than a 3.0 get into medical school, and I think for a certain class at U of M, less than ten had a GPA of less than a 3.0. So this book, although potentially engaging and interesting, would be viewed as impractical and difficult to achieve med student status with those types of grades.

You should write a book "What I wish my Mom Told Me About Medical School" or something like that. that would be a good read for those actually in medical school, but as pre-meds, I don't think we would care enough to waste our time reading it.

if you decide a book, think of who would actually read it and its practical nature to the audience. good luck

BTW, once SDN gets big (meaning more than half of each applicant pool has an account), no one would go out and buy books anymore. Everything needed these days is online, and SDN is an excellent resource, especially having data other groups do not (like meeting the people who got interviews or how a certain couple is doing in the app process or how a one legged person living off of one lung is faring as a third year medical student). Everything is here. I will be honest, I bought "kaplan how to get into medical school" 2 months ago before I knew about this site. But now that I know, I won't be wasting my money on useless books anymore, unless they are just good references or the MSAR.

quick sidenote for eternalrage: not everyone here is, wants to, or is in the process of becoming a physician. There are RNs, EMTs, PAs, NPs, Techs, and others here too! That's what makes this site so good.
 
My advice to students who would be looking at this book would be: "DON'T GET A GPA OF 2.8!!!! It makes getting into medical school extremely difficult, more expensive (due to postbacc costs) and time consuming!"

I think a better book would be on how you feel compared to your supposedly more intelligent peers (simply based on GPA). The human interest and overcoming of adversity would probably be more exciting than a "how to." You could prove the nay-sayers wrong and write all about it.
 
I can just picture some non-medical person walking though Borders and the puzzled look on their face when they see, "My "B" Average and How it Almost Ruined My Life..." :laugh:
 
I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?

What may have worked for one person won't work for most, so expect to be the brunt of hostility when many of your readers don't get in, even with slightly better GPAs than you.
 
I was going to say what Law2Doc and akademiks1989 already said.

Everyone is different and the application cycle is often finicky at best. Its like playing darts blindfolded sometimes 😉
 
I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?

Four years from now, God willing, you'll be an MD. Do you want a potential patient to google your name & discover that you graduated college with a 2.8? For that reason alone, I'd say, "find a better topic".

Maybe "If I knew then what I know now." or as previously suggested, "What I wish my mother had told me about college And if she had I would not have listened"
 
I think it would be noteworthy if you could summarize what you did in four years, into what you could do in one year. I'm pretty sure anyone could get into medical school with 4 years worth of buildup, the real challenge would be in turning a poor applicant one year, into the perfect candidate the next application cycle. What type of jobs are available, post bacc programs that guarentee students a seat. I for example did a sort of improvised post bacc and took out too many loans, and made a million mistakes. Alot of this stuff is common knowledge but to centralize information would be great. See what others have done (in a year) to turn their application around and you might have something, but 4 years, you could get a PhD in that time.
 
Four years from now, God willing, you'll be an MD. Do you want a potential patient to google your name & discover that you graduated college with a 2.8? For that reason alone, I'd say, "find a better topic".
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There is a simple solution to that dilemma: create a nom de plum.
 
Four years from now, God willing, you'll be an MD. Do you want a potential patient to google your name & discover that you graduated college with a 2.8? For that reason alone, I'd say, "find a better topic".
Why is it that so many people seem to think that a poor undergrad g.p.a. somehow equates to a catastrophic dr.? Do people believe that once you get into medical school they just hand out degrees to *****s after 4 years? It seems evident to me that even if you did have a poor g.p.a. (and I hesitate to call 2.8 poor) if you could show the academic aptitude to graduate from medical school, pass your boards, and survive residency, you are qualified to deliver medical care. Am I alone in this thinking?😕
 
I don't know if there is a market for the book if it is a direct how to.

If it were a comedic memior (sp?) people might buy it, but then again do you want to air out all of your dirty laundry moments to potential patients?
 
Why is it that so many people seem to think that a poor undergrad g.p.a. somehow equates to a catastrophic dr.? Do people believe that once you get into medical school they just hand out degrees to *****s after 4 years? It seems evident to me that even if you did have a poor g.p.a. (and I hesitate to call 2.8 poor) if you could show the academic aptitude to graduate from medical school, pass your boards, and survive residency, you are qualified to deliver medical care. Am I alone in this thinking?😕

Yes, yes you are.
 
i think premeds would look at it and say: "wow an acceptance with a 2.8!!!"
and all other majors would say: "2.8... is that supposed to be bad or something?"

a 2.8 is better than a B-... if you're not a premed or am unfamiliar with the admissions process (majority of people), this is NOT a terrible GPA and therefore would not stand out as "an amazing accomplishment," even though we all know that it is.

if you are just trying to help out others with your type of portfolio, then heck yea do it.. but if you intend on making $$ and appealing to the public, i donno.
 
Why is it that so many people seem to think that a poor undergrad g.p.a. somehow equates to a catastrophic dr.?

Whether it's legit or not, I think your Average Joe Patient *would* think that poor gpa = bad doctor, they're not going to pause to contemplate things like boards, residency, etc.

Do people believe that once you get into medical school they just hand out degrees to *****s after 4 years?

Well, there is the popular joke:

Q: What do you call the person who graduated last in his class from med school?
A: Doctor.
 
Quite brilliant. Although, it just doesn't seem right 😕
 
Whether it's legit or not, I think your Average Joe Patient *would* think that poor gpa = bad doctor, they're not going to pause to contemplate things like boards, residency, etc.

The average Joe patient doesn't know how to use the internet well enough to look up their future doctor's past GPA. The ones who do, and who care, won't be average.
 
Oh, and to put it more generally: the average patient isn't going to give two ****s about your GPA. This is one of those SDN - specifically, pre-med - fallacies. Check the Allo boards and see how often med students ask if their low ugrad GPAs will keep them out of residencies. It's not going to matter if you score a 4.1 GPA and a 46 MCAT if you don't know how to make a patient feel like something other than an idiot when doing your rounds. 99% of the patients you treat aren't going to care where you went to school, how well you did, or how many azzes you kissed to get to where you are. As a functioning doctor, no one will ask how much you studied in med school, whether you went "Ivy" or "state", or whatever the hell your PS was about. The average patient will not know what the MCAT stands for, much less what it has to do with his or her condition. She will not ask for your score, nor a percentile chart to guage your writing sample. He will not respect you more if you were in the top ten percent of your class - if you mention this, you will likely come off as an a$$hole, which you probably will be. If you don't treat your clients with respect, you'll soon run out of clients to treat. And a good way to start alienating yourself from a patient will be by talking about your GPA as a self-absorbed pre-med. :laugh:
 
The average Joe patient doesn't know how to use the internet well enough to look up their future doctor's past GPA. The ones who do, and who care, won't be average.
You mean your GPA, MCAT score, and Med school isn't listed in people's insurance provider listings? 😉
 
The average Joe patient doesn't know how to use the internet well enough to look up their future doctor's past GPA. The ones who do, and who care, won't be average.

I can only speak for New England, but I'd say here most people use the internet. But the original point was about someone writing a book, and I'd say that Average Joe Patient *can* read, and LizzyM's point was about a patient's reaction when they stumble across the book flaunting a GPA. I'm not saying it's fair, that I think it's right, or that it has any impact on what kind of a doctor that person is, but I do think that sort of thing would bias the typical person if it were brought to their attention.
 
I'm thinking of writing a book about how to get into medical school with a 2.8 GPA (my actual undergraduate GPA). I'm trying to gauge interest- this would be a short "how-to" type book chronicling what I did for the 4 years after graduating college to get into medical school (prominent public medical school). Is there any interest in this? Would your friends buy it?

I think that would be terribly misleading. If people started to think they could actually regularly get in to MD schools with a 2.8 GPA then no one would try very hard in undergrad to keep their GPAs much higer (3.3+). I would hope that someone wouldn't take it seriously that they too could waste four more years of life after college while not attending medical school doing stuff to try to make themselves a stronger applicant and get in. It would be like saying..."Shoot for a 2.8 in undergrad, waste 4 years of your life making yourself a viable applicant for medical school, and apply after you could have already earned your MD in those 4 years had you applied yourself a bit more in undergrad and gotten a 3.3+ GPA."

Riddiculous idea if it were a guide for people. However, it sounds like a pretty interesting idea for a biographical book and certainly not anything one should strive for.
 
I think a 3.0 is aboutt the minimum of what I would call a "Decent GPA." Unless you are working more than full-time or you are at a college where a C truly is the average grade given out, you should have at least or better than a 3.0. A 3.0 is generally the minimum necessary for a lot of internships and other activities where one of the only things used to rate students is their academic performance.

And like it or not, GPA is something that a lot of employers take into account as well, particularly right out of college.

I don't know too many serious college students that are happy with a 2.8.
 
I don't know too many serious college students that are happy with a 2.8.

Exactly. Last Fall (2005) I failed my Gen. Chem. I class, got a C in Pre-Calc. and a C in Molecular and Cellular Biology and an A in the Chem. Lab. Was I ever feeling like crap after that semester. My GPA plummeted from a 3.37 to a 2.88. Now I have managed to get it back up to an AMCAS GPA of like 3.15 but two 4.0s this next Fall and Winter semesters will give me 3.42 and I'm gonna try my luck with that and apply to MD schools. But yeah, having my GPA actually below 3.0 for a semester felt like ass!
 
Oh, and to put it more generally: the average patient isn't going to give two ****s about your GPA. This is one of those SDN - specifically, pre-med - fallacies. Check the Allo boards and see how often med students ask if their low ugrad GPAs will keep them out of residencies. It's not going to matter if you score a 4.1 GPA and a 46 MCAT if you don't know how to make a patient feel like something other than an idiot when doing your rounds. 99% of the patients you treat aren't going to care where you went to school, how well you did, or how many azzes you kissed to get to where you are. As a functioning doctor, no one will ask how much you studied in med school, whether you went "Ivy" or "state", or whatever the hell your PS was about. The average patient will not know what the MCAT stands for, much less what it has to do with his or her condition. She will not ask for your score, nor a percentile chart to guage your writing sample. He will not respect you more if you were in the top ten percent of your class - if you mention this, you will likely come off as an a$$hole, which you probably will be. If you don't treat your clients with respect, you'll soon run out of clients to treat. And a good way to start alienating yourself from a patient will be by talking about your GPA as a self-absorbed pre-med. :laugh:

I do believe all your patients will be happier though if you actually know what you are doing. While undergraduate GPA likely won't matter to patients, I'm sure they'd be comforted by the knowledge that their physician was competent.

I'd imagine theres a pretty strong correlation between good performance in medical education and someone being a good doctor. I don't want some jackass touching me or my family.

But do you know what they call the person with the lowest scores who graduates from HMS?

Doctor.
 
There's a book out somewhere that claims to know how to get students into med school with a very low gpa already.

Needless to say, there is a market for those who have very low gpa's and are desperate enough to go to source that claims to be able to help a situation that seems unfixable from mistakes already made. If you want to make it you find a way, whatever it is that will assist you in that path. But if you are going to write a book targeting that audience, I would think it would be best to truthful in that your chances will be low with that kind of gpa in comparison to someone with a high gpa - you might have to reapply many many times. But as someone said earlier it's like a playing darts with a blindfold. If you look at the MSAR there are no guarantees, just increased chances in correlation with your gpa.
 
Four years from now, God willing, you'll be an MD. Do you want a potential patient to google your name & discover that you graduated college with a 2.8? For that reason alone, I'd say, "find a better topic".

That's okay -- he is going to clean up on the sequel -- "Squeaked by with a barely passing grade on Step 1", and never have to work again.:laugh:
 
Four years from now, God willing, you'll be an MD. Do you want a potential patient to google your name & discover that you graduated college with a 2.8? For that reason alone, I'd say, "find a better topic".


You don't have to put your legal name down as the author of a book. We do have things called pseudonyms; we are all currently posting under one.
 
You're right. The author of "House of God" used one.

Michael Crichton initially published The Andromeda Strain under a pen name because he was still in med school at the time.
 
First off, I'm so confused, because if someone came in here and said I have a 2.8 do I have any chance of getting into med school, a whole bunch of people would reply and say no. This books sounds interesting to me, probably because my gpa now is like a 3.24, which is low for pre-med. Everyone now is saying a 2.8 gpa is workable so I dont understand that. I'm just suprised the difference in responses.


i think premeds would look at it and say: "wow an acceptance with a 2.8!!!"
and all other majors would say: "2.8... is that supposed to be bad or something?"

a 2.8 is better than a B-... if you're not a premed or am unfamiliar with the admissions process (majority of people), this is NOT a terrible GPA and therefore would not stand out as "an amazing accomplishment," even though we all know that it is.

if you are just trying to help out others with your type of portfolio, then heck yea do it.. but if you intend on making $$ and appealing to the public, i donno.

People alwayws act like pre-med in the only hard major even though it's not a hard major. My older sister was pre-med, took almost all pre-med classes, then changed to psych, her gpa by the end was like 3.7 and she didn't get into all grad schools she applied too. Grad school is getting harder and harder these days. I would think a 2.8 is low regardless of what you wnat to do with it.
 
People alwayws act like pre-med in the only hard major even though it's not a hard major. My older sister was pre-med, took almost all pre-med classes, then changed to psych, her gpa by the end was like 3.7 and she didn't get into all grad schools she applied too. Grad school is getting harder and harder these days. I would think a 2.8 is low regardless of what you wnat to do with it.

i wasn't talking about grad school, i was talking about jobs in general. but i do see your point w/ other grad school fields.

but like you said yourself, if someone with a 2.8 came in here and asked what his/her chances were we'd probably say very low. if someone asked if his/her 2.8 GPA still had a possibility of finding a job in field X, the answer would be yes. I know for a fact that a 3.0+ is sufficient to be considered for engineering/business and a 2.8 is not far from that.

and no i never said "pre-med is a hard major." in fact in my school and many others it is not a major, just a bunch of classes you have to take.
 
I think that would be terribly misleading. If people started to think they could actually regularly get in to MD schools with a 2.8 GPA then no one would try very hard in undergrad to keep their GPAs much higer (3.3+). I would hope that someone wouldn't take it seriously that they too could waste four more years of life after college while not attending medical school doing stuff to try to make themselves a stronger applicant and get in. It would be like saying..."Shoot for a 2.8 in undergrad, waste 4 years of your life making yourself a viable applicant for medical school, and apply after you could have already earned your MD in those 4 years had you applied yourself a bit more in undergrad and gotten a 3.3+ GPA."

Riddiculous idea if it were a guide for people. However, it sounds like a pretty interesting idea for a biographical book and certainly not anything one should strive for.
I think it would be a bad read for a college freshman in premed, but a great read for a non-trad, or a bio major who doesn't know what to do with themself, or anyone who wasn't geared into the premed philosophy before graduating. The point of the book could easily be "so you screwed off in undergrad, now for the next two years youre going to have to work even harder to get into medical schoo than you would have in undergrad" I'd read it if it had good advice and alot of information, but not if it would take me 4 years to get to med school, "I mean, Coooome onnnn!" -Rob Cordry 😉
 
Oh, and to put it more generally: the average patient isn't going to give two ****s about your GPA. This is one of those SDN - specifically, pre-med - fallacies. Check the Allo boards and see how often med students ask if their low ugrad GPAs will keep them out of residencies. It's not going to matter if you score a 4.1 GPA and a 46 MCAT if you don't know how to make a patient feel like something other than an idiot when doing your rounds. 99% of the patients you treat aren't going to care where you went to school, how well you did, or how many azzes you kissed to get to where you are. As a functioning doctor, no one will ask how much you studied in med school, whether you went "Ivy" or "state", or whatever the hell your PS was about. The average patient will not know what the MCAT stands for, much less what it has to do with his or her condition. She will not ask for your score, nor a percentile chart to guage your writing sample. He will not respect you more if you were in the top ten percent of your class - if you mention this, you will likely come off as an a$$hole, which you probably will be. If you don't treat your clients with respect, you'll soon run out of clients to treat. And a good way to start alienating yourself from a patient will be by talking about your GPA as a self-absorbed pre-med. :laugh:

I agree with this post and wanted to add that the only other thing a pt would care about other then compassion and humanity is that you show competence in your level of work.
 
That's okay -- he is going to clean up on the sequel -- "Squeaked by with a barely passing grade on Step 1", and never have to work again.:laugh:

and how do you know they will barely pass their step 1 just because they had a sucky GPA in undergrad???

Many people fail to realize that various circumstances other then the intelligence issue could have led to a bad GPA such as the death of a loved one causing emotional stress, going through other personal crises, poor time management that you have since learned to improve upon by maturing through the workforce.

I know quite few nontrads who had a 2.5 GPA as an undergrad but came back to school years later and did a postbac and obtained 4.0 GPAs and 34+ MCAT scores and are now kicking butt in med school, while some of the traditional students i know with their 3.6GPAs and decent MCAT scores are barely passing because they earned their GPA with little effort and don't know how to focus to study harder and get the material down.

There's a guy who posted on here a long time back and still posts in other SDN forums who is an ER resident.

He had a 2.7 GPA and a 4.0 MPH gpa. He got through med school with high grades and USMLE scores and got in the residency of choice.

So perhaps its not the best of situations to be in quite obviously. However, its not the end of the world if you can go back and prove yourself. Lots of people do it every year through SMP programs and postbac programs and still come out doctors and in residencies of their choice if they work hard in med school which is often the case. A lot of nontrads and postbacs tend to work harder because they've gone through a lot more adversity to get where they are whereas others who have never struggled sometimes tend to struggle in med school.

No a person who's in this situation will not go to HMS or Hopkins but they still have a shot to clean their act and go to a state school if that school isn't one of the ranked top tier schools.
 
First off, I'm so confused, because if someone came in here and said I have a 2.8 do I have any chance of getting into med school, a whole bunch of people would reply and say no. This books sounds interesting to me, probably because my gpa now is like a 3.24, which is low for pre-med. Everyone now is saying a 2.8 gpa is workable so I dont understand that. I'm just suprised the difference in responses.



No 2.8 isn't a workable GPA unless you've done a postbac and gotten almost all A's. But if you do well in a postbac and/or SMP program and do extremely well and do well on the MCAT as well then it is possible to have a second chance at the idea of getting in medical school.
 
My friends do very little reading.
 
and how do you know they will barely pass their step 1 just because they had a sucky GPA in undergrad???
Um - It's a joke -- see the laughing face.
It was suggested that the OP shouldn't highlight their undergrad shortcomings, so the logical equally foolish titled sequel that one would never do would be to advertise their subpar academic progression.😕 . But having to explain such a joke kind of kills it.
 
First off, have you even gotten into medical school or are you just predicting?

Either way, people already have many books on how to get into medical school, so unless you did something absolutely amazing to accomodate for the low GPA (ie: climbed Mt. Fuji and operated on a rock-climber), then I doubt it would be anything special....granted, if you are a good writer, you probably could make it work.

But hell, if Dr. Phil can write a book on losing weight...

http://www.amazon.com/-Ultimate-Wei...ef=sr_1_1/104-1720207-0331156?ie=UTF8&s=books

....or if the rapper 50 cent can, uh, write a book

http://www.amazon.com/-Pieces-Weigh...=pd_bbs_1/103-2424151-4232651?ie=UTF8&s=books

then I don't see why you can't write a book on....anything really.
-Dr. P.
 
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