So after 2 years of dental school, I'm now dismissed due to unfortunate circumstances. I would like to continue next year and so my question to anyone out there is: When I apply to other dental schools, should I reveal to them my dental school transcript? What if i dont? Should I take the NBDE part I (b/c i can) and then apply to dental schools? What if I fail? Should I take the DAT's? Any pro's and con's, please do tell. Anyone else in this situation or know anyone in this situation?
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chrisd said:
this is an honest question.
what did you do to get kicked out? What advice do you give to me so I dont get kicked out?
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chrisd said:
Well I guess I got kicked out too but my school is taking me back in 2009 🙂
I will start year 2 over from day one even though I finished 90% of it. well I reallly didn't get kicked out, but rather I got a nasty cancer that will take about a year to get rid of.
If you finished year two successfully, why not transfer to another school? Or did you get busted for cheating or something along that line???
I'll tell you one thing, do you really want to start over from year one again and take the DAT? Thats a lot of work
If you got busted for something, and want to be a dentist, I'd lie and say i didn't go to d-school, but what will you tell the adcom you were doing for those 2 years?
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What did you do to get kicked out? I imagine that you will have to note that to any place you apply to because if you dont and they find out, kiss dentistry goodbye. Plus the ethical dilemma as wellchrisd said:
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That might be very difficult to keep a secret if you transfer or start over again. I would suggest calling or browsing websites for different dental schools and finding one that will accept a transfer student. It does depend on why you were dismissed though.
As for whether or not to take the boards, do whatever thing is best for ensuring a passing grade. If you think you can study really hard right now and do well on the part 1, do it now and get it over with. If you think you should wait and do it when you are going through the second time to ensure a higher score, do that.
Another option that you might want to look into if noone wants you is to go to Massachussetts and try to become a hygenist. They allow students who have completed 2 years to get a hygenist's license. It might be a good alternative if you find that you are being blackballed from other schools.
As for whether or not to take the boards, do whatever thing is best for ensuring a passing grade. If you think you can study really hard right now and do well on the part 1, do it now and get it over with. If you think you should wait and do it when you are going through the second time to ensure a higher score, do that.
Another option that you might want to look into if noone wants you is to go to Massachussetts and try to become a hygenist. They allow students who have completed 2 years to get a hygenist's license. It might be a good alternative if you find that you are being blackballed from other schools.
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Chrisd,
I'm not sure if you would want, or even if you could keep your dental school history a secret. If you explain to adcoms at other schools why you have been released and what you will do to ensure that it will never happen again may be better than the adcoms finding out that you lied and dropping your admission immediately. As for taking NBDE part 1, are you sure you can take it, because at my school you have to have the Dean sign you off before you can take it. That ensures that not anybody can take it and steal the test... If you can take it...Rock it...And that will just be more ammo on your part that you are serious about being a dentist...Sorry about your situation...There have been classmates that have been bounced from my class...I hope all turns out well for you!
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I'm not sure if you would want, or even if you could keep your dental school history a secret. If you explain to adcoms at other schools why you have been released and what you will do to ensure that it will never happen again may be better than the adcoms finding out that you lied and dropping your admission immediately. As for taking NBDE part 1, are you sure you can take it, because at my school you have to have the Dean sign you off before you can take it. That ensures that not anybody can take it and steal the test... If you can take it...Rock it...And that will just be more ammo on your part that you are serious about being a dentist...Sorry about your situation...There have been classmates that have been bounced from my class...I hope all turns out well for you!
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You're not gonna get any helpful advice here without the details. We have to have some direction.
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If I were in your shoes I would re-apply, and never mention that you even attended dental school before....just pretend this is your first time applying. You had the numbers to get in and hopefully they will still hold. I don't think there is anyway for prospective schools to find out that you ever even attended a dental program. I'm not sure how long DAT scores are good for because after a couple years they may have to be re-taken. You can always come up with something if they ask what you have been doing for the past 2 years. I highly doubt that dental schools have the same technology as the state police with regard to interstate crosstalk.
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I'll agree with the others that we need to know more about your "unfortunate circumstances". I think students get booted so rarely I would think your name would be kind of blacklisted.......but who knows what your privacy rights are.
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Did you deserve to get kicked out?
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Aren't there a few dental programs that don't operate through the centralized application service....like medical college of georgia and one or two others? If you applied to one of these there would be no previous record of you ever even applying. Hope this helps? Your situation is unfortunate and I wish you all the best in getting back to school.
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This is a troll-thread until we hear the details. Failing a class is one reason. Downloading kiddie-porn on the school's computer is quite another.
Ok, ok here it is. No I didn't deserve it and no I did not cheat or help someone cheat. I failed a class during remediation. ....And they gave me the boot. None the less. I know I am dental caliber. As far as the reasons for the poor performance....... a close family memeber was sick and still is... Regardless, I want to go on no matter what it takes.
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chrisd said:
Holy$hit!!! For one class?
I had a buddy that failed 4 classes then went to summer remediation and then failed one of those 4. Now he's doing the year over. He's at NYU.
I'd reapply if I were you. I can't believe those scum bags booted you for one class and you had a reason.
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Yeah, I am not surprised at all. Some schools (like the one I attend) choose the students that they prefer, and go after the others who they dont like. I am one of the students on their blacklist because I don't live and breath dentistry on a daily basis, and I dont kiss too much ass. Unfortunately for them, my grades kick ass, so they cant do jack **** to me. WE had a student have to repeat a year because he failed a class by one point. We also had a kid get kicked out for not waxing well enough (I think he failed a project by like two points). That's a big problem with dental school these days. The politics are just enormous, and if you dont want to play along, your days could be numbered.
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It may seem cold-blooded, but it doesn't surprise me. 3 of my classmates had to repeat a course, and we had 4 from the class ahead who were repeating a year and joined my class. The problem with dental school is that there is a very non-flexible curriculum and classes are only given once. It's not like college where you can just take it again next semester.
I seem to remember people at my school who failed a single course were offered remediation. More than one course and you had to repeat the year. We had 2 people that failed remediation and they were asked to leave. If you have difficult family situations, you should proabably ask for a leave of abscence and return when things are more stable.
I seem to remember people at my school who failed a single course were offered remediation. More than one course and you had to repeat the year. We had 2 people that failed remediation and they were asked to leave. If you have difficult family situations, you should proabably ask for a leave of abscence and return when things are more stable.
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For the original poster, I would hope you would have the moral integrity to let the schools know about what happened. Plus you'd be plain stupid not to. The academic dental school world is a small world and if you'd lied about something as large as that, the new school wouldnt hesitate to give you the boot. Aside from that it sounds like you had a legitimate excuse and the current dental school is taking a rather harsh stand on your punishment. This next part is for periochip. I hope you never recieve admittance in a dental school, medical school or any other place where you are compared to others. It is people with your line of thought that only submit their good grades to AADSAS, or make up things on their application. If you screwed up on something do everything to make it right and then let fate take its course. It's too bad that I hear of many people falsifying their apps to make themselves look good instead of doing what they are supposed to the first time or learning from their mistakes and then fixing what they can.
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Of course there are those who will get their feathers ruffled by what Im going to say, but you cant please everyone. I fully agree that someone who fails a class and then fails the remediation should be kicked out of school. I say this barring any special circumstances. They either failed it because they didnt try, or they just cant hack it. If they didnt try the first time around, thats the purpose of remediation. To fail a class twice, when you saw the same exact material and probably very similar tests, is inexcusable to me. There are far more deserving people for that spot than that person. If you sincerely tried that hard and fail twice, you just dont have what it takes to be a dentist IMO. Thats the simple reality of it.
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I was thinking the same thing. You said it more tactfully than I could have.DcS said:
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I'd say reapply and be open about your situation. I would think that'd give you the best shot.
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Try and reapply to your old school for advanced standing. Also apply to other schools and be open about your situation. Ive heard people getting dismissed from one school and reapplying to another... I only know one person who got kicked out of NYU and then ended up at nova i think, i never kept in touch with him (i hated the bastard anyways) so I dont really know the details.
best of luck nonetheless.
best of luck nonetheless.
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The proposed Hawaii College of Dental Medicine is using AADSAS as its application clearing house. The common wisdom is that the chances of HCDM coming on line and getting accredited is a long shot. However that makes the odds of your geting an acceptance from them much better since a lot of prospective applicants will stay clear of HCDM until it passes the smell test. So, if the school were to work out, such a riskly bet could prove to be highly profitable for someone in your situation.
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This was a while back and I dont know how NOVA as a school was then.... nonetheless, try other schools and be open about your situation.
Also, if this was a basic science class that you failed in, I suggest you take a masters level course of the same subject and pass it with flying colors... that will definitely make a difference.
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Interesting scenario.
That was the case when you got kicked out.
I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone who quit after they found out they hated their school or something like that (a possibility), and then entered another school to start over.
Is there any ethical issues involved and what would happen if the other school finds out that you had a history of attendance at another dental school?
That was the case when you got kicked out.
I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone who quit after they found out they hated their school or something like that (a possibility), and then entered another school to start over.
Is there any ethical issues involved and what would happen if the other school finds out that you had a history of attendance at another dental school?
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You'd have to disclose it on your AADSAS, and if you got as far as an interview, it'd be over as soon as they found out you left school because "I didn't like it there." It's not necessarily fair, it's not necessarily just, but it's what'll happen. They're going to listen to that and hear "I didn't have the stomach for it," and there are too few spots to give any to someone who's already thrown one away.Profchaos said:
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I love my son, too. But that doesn't mean I will disrespect his decision to enter the military and devote his life, if necessary, to what he believes in. This sounds like a mom who is just having misdirected grieving issues. Her grieving isn't wrong, it's just the way she is carrying it out that is wrong.jk5177 said:
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aphistis said:
That's a good point as I'm sure schools will be afraid of someone who had a history of quiting.
But that gets me wondering though, what if you are already accepted to the other school while you are in your dental school and later decide to quit.
Is there a thing called "acceptance retraction"? If other school's already granted you an acceptance, would that be unethical for the acceptance (
like a contract ) to be canceled?
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That's a good point as I'm sure schools will be afraid of someone who had a history of quiting.aphistis said:
But that gets me wondering though, what if you are already accepted to the other school while you are in your dental school and later decide to quit.
Is there a thing called "acceptance retraction"? If other school's already granted you an acceptance, would that be unethical for the acceptance (
like a contract ) to be canceled?
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I couldn't agree more. The mother should have directed her feelings towards the son when he was in the process of joining the military. President Bush didn't force him in. He made the choice.toofache32 said:
Reminds me of a couple of my dental school classmates who joined the Army/Navy early on. They loved getting the checks and the free ride, but as soon as the Iraq situation escalated, life suddenly became really unfair to them. We all have choices, and we all need to take responsibility for the choices we make...
