Giuliani vs Clinton

[24858]

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If it came down to these two who would you vote for?
Would it matter if McCain was vice and Obama was vice?

I say that the worst possible candidate is Clinton, am I wrong?

 

[Coastie]

Nah, you're right. Any of the dems are horrific.

I think Guiliani would be as well, and I'm speaking as a Republican.

For docs in general? Any dem: terrible. They would make Michael Moore's new video the centerpiece evidence of any legislation they would enact..You know, completely socialized healthcare.

Fred Thompson is pretty incredible..I had dinner with him a couple of weeks ago. Newt is pretty top-notch too, as are some of the other Repubs.

Guiliani vs Clinton? I think I'd rather move to Canada!

 

[badgas]

Out of 4 people, here is how it breaks down in my mind for the presidential race:

Giuliani > Rosie O'Donnell > random crackhead off street >>>>>>>>> Clinton

I agree about Fred Thompson... unfortunately he probably won't have the $$ it takes to have a real shot.

 

[cfdavid]

Too bad the media (other than Fox) will never let Newt live down the "right wing" stereotype they created for him from his days in Congress. He's by far one of the smartest dudes with a ton of great ideas in politics these days.

Thompson certainly looks the part. I wonder if he ends up getting in. But, Giuliani? I'd rather not have to vote for him.

 

[Noyac]

I can't say one is better or worse than the other but at least we will be done with the current administration. 👎

 

[badgas]

If Clinton gets in, you'd be begging for 4 more years from the current (horrible) administration.

 

[Noyac]

If Clinton gets in, you'd be begging for 4 more years from the current (horrible) administration.

I'll never beg to send 3422 of our young men and women to die for a worthless cause (worthless in my opinion). Which is what our current (horrible) administration has delivered.

Trust me, I don't think a Democrat is going to be any better. I want someone that is not tied in with the big businesses, doesn't owe any favors (impossible), wants to clean up the government as well as the climate. Someone who will tax the **** out of big business and the ones that are pouring their waste into our environment. I want someone who will fund our military and god forbid we need them, will tax every single citizen enough to support the effort. I want fair taxes. That means a flat tax to me. I could go on but why would you guys care what I want.

 

[amyl]

we need a third party imho. I like the libertarian party myself... eat what you kill is always fair.
Maybe we could start an MD/DO party -- how's that for violating the rules against unions, just make new rules!
Someone here want to run?

 

[Trisomy13]

I suggest we form the Hand Party.

It will give new meaning to "pressing the flesh" on the campaign trail.




Nevermind.

 

[cfdavid]

I'll never beg to send 3422 of our young men and women to die for a worthless cause (worthless in my opinion). Which is what our current (horrible) administration has delivered.

Trust me, I don't think a Democrat is going to be any better. I want someone that is not tied in with the big businesses, doesn't owe any favors (impossible), wants to clean up the government as well as the climate. Someone who will tax the **** out of big business and the ones that are pouring their waste into our environment. I want someone who will fund our military and god forbid we need them, will tax every single citizen enough to support the effort. I want fair taxes. That means a flat tax to me. I could go on but why would you guys care what I want.

I disagree with overly (a relative term I know) taxing big business. But, we do need to police our environment more. I guess I'm more of a fiscal conservative in that I like the idea of lower corporate tax rates.

Interestingly enough, I caught a bit of Larry Kudlow's program on CNBC today. They were discussing profits in the oil industry. But, contrary to many a conspiracy theory, apparently there have been many price fixing inquiries into big oil over the years, yet very few (Larry claimed none) have checked out. Also, even though it seems like just a few companies "control" the market, none control much more than 5% (they said ExxonMobile controls less than that) of the entire market. Granted 5% is a lot, but it just seems reactionary (this is not directed at you Noy, personally) that much of public opinion is calling for some pretty extraordinary measures with respect to oil profits. I say let em make money. It's not their problem they're in a business in which demand far exceeds supply.

 

[Noyac]

I disagree with overly (a relative term I know) taxing big business. But, we do need to police our environment more. I guess I'm more of a fiscal conservative in that I like the idea of lower corporate tax rates.

Interestingly enough, I caught a bit of Larry Kudlow's program on CNBC today. They were discussing profits in the oil industry. But, contrary to many a conspiracy theory, apparently there have been many price fixing inquiries into big oil over the years, yet very few (Larry claimed none) have checked out. Also, even though it seems like just a few companies "control" the market, none control much more than 5% (they said ExxonMobile controls less than that) of the entire market. Granted 5% is a lot, but it just seems reactionary (this is not directed at you Noy, personally) that much of public opinion is calling for some pretty extraordinary measures with respect to oil profits. I say let em make money. It's not their problem they're in a business in which demand far exceeds supply.

I'm not talking about oil companies in particular. I'm talking about getting rid of the gov't officials that have their hands in the big businesses pockets and turning their backs on the flagrant abuses that they inact on the environment and the public. They are given to many tax breaks as well.

 

[cfdavid]

I'm not talking about oil companies in particular. I'm talking about getting rid of the gov't officials that have their hands in the big businesses pockets and turning their backs on the flagrant abuses that they inact on the environment and the public. They are given to many tax breaks as well.

I agree. I'm not really too familiar with Mcain/Fiengold's "campaign finance reform" bill. But, clearly we still need a major overhaul in our system to prevent politicians literally being bought and sold by private interests. We just need to let the ASA do their job in DC, that's all...lol

 

[Noyac]

I agree. I'm not really too familiar with Mcain/Fiengold's "campaign finance reform" bill. But, clearly we still need a major overhaul in our system to prevent politicians literally being bought and sold by private interests. We just need to let the ASA do their job in DC, that's all...lol

YEah, you got me there. I guess we all have "special" interests. 😎

 

[DOAnestMan]

The bottom line is that no candidate, Democratic or Republican, will actually have the courage to correct what needs to be done to save the system from imploding. The most we can hope for is good tort reform with maybe more to follow, but very, very slowly.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Given the choices, I would probably vote for Guiliani, as a RINO (Republican in Name Only) is better than Clinton.

Tax-wise, I would probably vote for ANY candidate who promised to install the FairTax over the current IRS debacle.

And I will certainly vote against ANY candidate who votes for the proposed Z-1 visa (Amnesty) bill in the U.S. Senate.

 

[Coastie]

I see we disagree on alot, but flat tax is a GREAT idea and something I've supported for a long time.

I'll never beg to send 3422 of our young men and women to die for a worthless cause (worthless in my opinion). Which is what our current (horrible) administration has delivered.

Trust me, I don't think a Democrat is going to be any better. I want someone that is not tied in with the big businesses, doesn't owe any favors (impossible), wants to clean up the government as well as the climate. Someone who will tax the **** out of big business and the ones that are pouring their waste into our environment. I want someone who will fund our military and god forbid we need them, will tax every single citizen enough to support the effort. I want fair taxes. That means a flat tax to me. I could go on but why would you guys care what I want.

 

[Coastie]

tru that....

He is such a RINO...and that amnesty bill is horrendous. I'm afraid the Republican party would be done for with such a RINO..maybe be better off with Hill-dog...

Ugh, Thompson, just announce, and let's go.

Given the choices, I would probably vote for Guiliani, as a RINO (Republican in Name Only) is better than Clinton.

Tax-wise, I would probably vote for ANY candidate who promised to install the FairTax over the current IRS debacle.

And I will certainly vote against ANY candidate who votes for the proposed Z-1 visa (Amnesty) bill in the U.S. Senate.

 

[24858]

Anyone think Romney has a chance? I live in Massachusetts and think he did a great job here in Mass. He lowered taxes, put into place a mandated insurance policy where everyone is required to be insured and if not, they then need to pay for a state sponsored health insurance plan, he sort of helped clear up that Big Dig debacle, and he lowered taxes.
The thing that will probably be an obstacle is his Mormon beliefs, or will most Americans still vote for him, what do you think?
All I know is that Hillary is to medicine as oil is to water.....

 

[starsop93]

Seriously, why all this talk about Fred Thompson? I don't know what he stands for or just about anything about him other than he has a trophy wife. Would he really be a dream candidate in any other election? Remember George W. Bush looked the part and had complacency on his side; see how that all worked out... As far a Guilliani goes, Bloomberg has been twice the mayor and far more effective. Romney used to be a good candidate (like McCain) until he started reinventing himself as an intolerant right-wing ideologue. In the last debate the audience cheered the candidates most likely to torture?!?! Ron Paul was villified for speaking the truth (or at least what the 9/11 Commission reported) about terrrorism. They also didn't even MENTION health care reform. Our system is on the verge of collapse and they don't even debate it? I'm not sure who'll win the nomination, but I have my money on the white guy.

The Democrats have their problems too, but most of them have at least thought out a plan for health care reform. They also are also generally in favor of the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, the guy with the best healthcare plan is a tort lawyer for Christ's sake... I think we're going to have to make some tough decisions on the US health care system and I really wish there were some physicians involved in something other than maintaing the status quo (which has no more than 10 years left tops).

 

[deleted50478]

A Clinton-Edwards ticket might be the most anti-medicine ticket ever conceived. I just shuddered a little as I typed it and a chill went up my spine. Undermining medicine from the depths of hell (Edwards) combined with going for the jugular (Clinton). The only people who can make a living from medicine if they have their way is the blood-sucking lawyers. 😱

 

[deleted50478]

Anyone think Romney has a chance? I live in Massachusetts and think he did a great job here in Mass. He lowered taxes, put into place a mandated insurance policy where everyone is required to be insured and if not, they then need to pay for a state sponsored health insurance plan, he sort of helped clear up that Big Dig debacle, and he lowered taxes.
The thing that will probably be an obstacle is his Mormon beliefs, or will most Americans still vote for him, what do you think?
All I know is that Hillary is to medicine as oil is to water.....

I just looked at Romney's platform. He doesn't seem too bad. If he can avoid focussing excessively on uniting government and religion he might be alright.

I like Giuliani more though. Reasonably conservative without the religious right bs.

 

[cfdavid]

Anyone think Romney has a chance? I live in Massachusetts and think he did a great job here in Mass. He lowered taxes, put into place a mandated insurance policy where everyone is required to be insured and if not, they then need to pay for a state sponsored health insurance plan, he sort of helped clear up that Big Dig debacle, and he lowered taxes.
The thing that will probably be an obstacle is his Mormon beliefs, or will most Americans still vote for him, what do you think?
All I know is that Hillary is to medicine as oil is to water.....

Yeah, I heard about the healthcare thing in Mass. That's the way it should be done. It amazes me that people have the cash to buy $5.00 of cigarettes/day but can't contribute to a measly basic insurance plan. $150/month would go very far with an HSA (health savings account) with a reasonable deductable. I just don't get why it's asking too much of people to chip in for (heaven forbid) their own health insurance.

 

[badgas]

Seriously, why all this talk about Fred Thompson? I don't know what he stands for or just about anything about him other than he has a trophy wife. Would he really be a dream candidate in any other election? Remember George W. Bush looked the part and had complacency on his side; see how that all worked out... As far a Guilliani goes, Bloomberg has been twice the mayor and far more effective. Romney used to be a good candidate (like McCain) until he started reinventing himself as an intolerant right-wing ideologue. In the last debate the audience cheered the candidates most likely to torture?!?! Ron Paul was villified for speaking the truth (or at least what the 9/11 Commission reported) about terrrorism. They also didn't even MENTION health care reform. Our system is on the verge of collapse and they don't even debate it? I'm not sure who'll win the nomination, but I have my money on the white guy.

The Democrats have their problems too, but most of them have at least thought out a plan for health care reform. They also are also generally in favor of the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, the guy with the best healthcare plan is a tort lawyer for Christ's sake... I think we're going to have to make some tough decisions on the US health care system and I really wish there were some physicians involved in something other than maintaing the status quo (which has no more than 10 years left tops).

Sometimes having "a plan" is not a good thing.

 

[delicatefade]

Ron.Paul.

 

[atrxnasd]

Guiliani's wife is a nurse. She seems interested in playing a large role in any Giuliani administration. I see a repeat of 1992. Clinton has already shown she doesn't have a clue about health care. After her husband was elected and she was put in charge of health care she limited the number of health care professional on her panel because they were self interested and couldn't make as good decissions as a room full of lawyers. We know what became of that. Everything else she was involved in went to h*ll. Marriage, healthcare, travel office, property investments, futures, and all her associates at Rose are either in Jail or dead.
What a choice!
I never thought I'd say this but I'm hoping that Gore stops her. He's nuts but will spend his administration on the environment and is likely to ignore healthcare which considering the alternatives might be the best you can hope for.

 

[amyl]

Yeah, I heard about the healthcare thing in Mass. That's the way it should be done. It amazes me that people have the cash to buy $5.00 of cigarettes/day but can't contribute to a measly basic insurance plan. $150/month would go very far with an HSA (health savings account) with a reasonable deductable. I just don't get why it's asking too much of people to chip in for (heaven forbid) their own health insurance.

because some of the people in this country think that good health care is a right...their entitlement. They honestly don't think they should have to pay for it.
see, when i read it in 8th grade, it said "life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness..."
not sure how they have warped it into a right to health care whether they can pay for it or not but they have.🙁

 

[cfdavid]

because some of the people in this country think that good health care is a right...their entitlement. They honestly don't think they should have to pay for it.
see, when i read it in 8th grade, it said "life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness..."
not sure how they have warped it into a right to health care whether they can pay for it or not but they have.🙁

Yeah, I know. We have this "entitlement" culture that seems to be growing, unfortunately. And anyone that argues that, no, it's a priviledge is demagogued immediately. It's ridiculous.

 

[filter07]

Dr. Ronald Paul 2008
1) I'd rather trust a doctor to address US healthcare. Less govt and corporate interference, not more, is better!
2) Voted against the Iraq War
3) Fiscally conservative
4) Has the record to back up what he preaches:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

 

[jetproppilot]

If it came down to these two who would you vote for?
Would it matter if McCain was vice and Obama was vice?

I say that the worst possible candidate is Clinton, am I wrong?

OK. I've read all your posts.

Great posts by the way.

But when it comes to presidential politics, I'm, well, I have a hard time staying awake.

So cut through the chase for me.

Thats what I tell my investment dude:

CUT THRU DA CHASE, BRO.

"I KNOW, DUDE. I KNOW. THANKS FOR YOUR ANALYTICAL KNOWLEDGE."

"BUT CONCERNING THE DOLLARS YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE MAIL EVERY MONTH FROM YOU, INSTEAD OF YOUR SEA OF DIVERSIFICATION ANALYSIS, P/E RATIOS, AND STOCK FORECASTS, IS A STANDARD-SIZE PIECE OF PAPER.

WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON IT EXCEPT A BIG

THUMB UP.

OR THUMB DOWN.

That'll be absorbed very quickly by my simple mind.

I like that. Thumb up or thumb down on a crisp, white sheet of paper.

Betcha alotta american investors would like that better too.

I know the market (a little).

And yeah, investment dude, I play the market in my Charles Schwab account.

You've done me good so far....but...uhhhh...had you picked some of my picks a few years ago with the large account (which you manage) instead of the small account (which I manage)..

I'D BE RETIRED!!!!!!!

lemme see.....I aint no financial guru by any stretch of the imagination....but check this out......I took forty-two-large in 2003 and bought FOUR stocks in equal increments. Maybe it was luck:

GRMN

SCSC

WFMI

BIOM.

Uhhhh, three of the four have quantrazuppled. One a major bust (geez....and I woullda sold my moms soul on that stock too.)

Yeah, musta been luck. Cuz my financial dude is way smarter than me, when it comes to financial stuff.

BUT, UHHHH, ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS, MY GAINS (small account) CRUSHED FINANCIAL DUDES GAINS (big account)

Yeah, I know. I'm a gambler.

You know, the whole poker thing....

and I'm working with forty large (which, BTW, is now multiples of that) whereas he's handling more than that.

BUT I STILL CRUSHED HIS PERCENTAGES!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA

Cracks me up.

Some dude with a Copenhagen dip in his lip, who spends most of his time with his beloved kids/boat/poker playing at Harrahs.....

picked stocks better than an Ivy League dude with a MBA/CFA.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

SOOO, my message here, for me is to cut thru the chase, politically savvy dudes:

WHO IS THE FAVORITE THATS PROBABLY GONNA BE DA NEXT PREZ OF DA USA????

 

[gclax30]

Is anyone else here surprised at the number of practicing physicians that actually support socialized medicine in that it is a right, not a privilege? I've been with two, a psychiatrist and a pediatrician, both of whom work in a rather poor/heavily medicaid population. I just don't get it. I've been doing ER for 2 weeks and am already completely appalled at the way our system is abused and my pockets picked every day. Why on earth would we allow this to continue and get exponentially worse? (and throw in all the 400,000 new illegals and their billions of family members). Do you hear that squeaking? the wheels are about to fall off the wagon....

If I had to vote tomorrow, Fred Thompson. McCain needs to fix the border problem in HIS state first, then maybe I would consider him. I don't mind Romney and Giuliani though they are a little too liberal on the social issues for my taste. I need someone that will stop selling my citizenship out to criminals just to keep their neighborhood businesses happy.

I think a Clinton-Edwards ticket would be so evil it would just cancel itself out and leave a gaping rift in space-time...

 

[lord_jeebus]

I don't think healthcare is a right.

Neither is the interstate highway system or your local fire department.

That doesn't mean that it's impossible or unreasonable for the government to create a system of paying for healthcare that's good for patients and physicians. I grew up in Japan where doctors make good money, patients are free to pick their own doctors, and everyone has health insurance without 25% of spending being sucked up by insurance company bureaucracy and executive salaries.

The difference is that in Japan, the doctors have a close and mutually-beneficial relationship with the ruling political party, whereas the GOP has zero incentive to do things that benefit doctors or patients if their interests conflict with that of the insurance industry. I think the Democratic Party could bring forth a system that is better for patients, but they have no reason to help us out.

Corporate America knows how to make government work in its interests regardless of who wins the election. Yet neither outcome works out for physicians. They know how to use money to their advantage, and we don't.

 

[DOAnestMan]

If there were a vote tomorrow I can tell you that I would cross Edwards off before I voted for anyone else...what a shameless, phony ambulance chaser. He would certainly be the worst. Between Hillary and Obama, I would have to go with Hillary. I think with Bill, she would at least have a tether to the center more than Sen. Obama who is an unabashed liberal (i.e., raise taxes). On the GOP side, McCain has gained some ground in my book for his support of the current immigration debate. Giuliani worked miracles in NYC but he has a lot of personality issues. So I guess that leaves me with Romney.

 

[dhb]

Dr. Ronald Paul 2008
1) I'd rather trust a doctor to address US healthcare. Less govt and corporate interference, not more, is better!
2) Voted against the Iraq War
3) Fiscally conservative
4) Has the record to back up what he preaches:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

The only man on the hill with brains and balls

 

[24858]

So when did you buy Garmin, back when it was $10- cuz now its $60- nice catch, you jumped on the GPS boat before it left the shore- nice..
Can't say I'm familiar with Scansource- scanners at supermarkets?...
Whole food markets- nice pickup..I hope you bailed out at the peak though..
Can't say I'm familiar with Biomira either..not much research found at Fidelity..
I am a fledgling investor right now have a little bit of 401k money, I have it diversified into a few mutual funds and bonds.. right now I am in fidelity freedom fund 2040 and 2030 and the fidelity international freedom fund..the next one I am thinking of investing in the Janus Contrarian fund. When I get more moola will invest in a few stocks that I feel good about, but I need to learn more about the stock market and investing in general. But hey, so far I find investing fun, kind of like playing poker but with companies instead of chips, and you don't have to feel bad about taking some little ole lady's social security check at the table (though most of those little ole lady's are some nasty bad poker players- they should have a world poker tour for those over 80 )

 

[nutmegs]

Is anyone else here surprised at the number of practicing physicians that actually support socialized medicine in that it is a right, not a privilege? I've been with two, a psychiatrist and a pediatrician, both of whom work in a rather poor/heavily medicaid population. I just don't get it. I've been doing ER for 2 weeks and am already completely appalled at the way our system is abused and my pockets picked every day. Why on earth would we allow this to continue and get exponentially worse? (and throw in all the 400,000 new illegals and their billions of family members). Do you hear that squeaking? the wheels are about to fall off the wagon....

I agree that things are f*cked, but I think that the physicians who support socialized medicine probably see that everybody gets care anyway, and it could not POSSIBLY cost more to just give everyone access to primary care in the first place.

 

[DOAnestMan]

The idea that more people would seek preventive care if they had insurance is laughable. People with insurance now avoid the doctor's office because they have to wait or they don't like their physician, or whatever excuse they can come up with.
I also love that many people "cannot afford" health insurance but can afford to have their nails and hair done, cigarettes, sleek cell phones, cable, etc. Of the alleged 46 million uninsured Americans, I would like to know how many of them choose not to have heath insurance. It would be nice if there was a politician who actually had the courage and charisma to introduce REAL market reforms to save health care.

 

[cfdavid]

The idea that more people would seek preventive care if they had insurance is laughable. People with insurance now avoid the doctor's office because they have to wait or they don't like their physician, or whatever excuse they can come up with.
I also love that many people "cannot afford" health insurance but can afford to have their nails and hair done, cigarettes, sleek cell phones, cable, etc. Of the alleged 46 million uninsured Americans, I would like to know how many of them choose not to have heath insurance. It would be nice if there was a politician who actually had the courage and charisma to introduce REAL market reforms to save health care.

So true. I was reflecting today on how people say it's a "right" to have healthcare. Well, every homeowner in the U.S. gets a water bill each month. Surely, since drinking is an absolute requirement for life, it must be FREE!!! Right?? I mean, it doesn't cost anything to pump, process, and maintain the water supply or anything, does it?? Give me a break.

If people put aside $30/week for an HSA plan, they'd have some darn good coverage. Frankly, after I left my COBRA plan (after leaving my company) I moved over to a pretty good HSA that cost me $67/month. Sure, it had a $2600 deductable, but the bottom line is that I was covered for major emergencies. Other people with different health needs could obtain a very good plan for $120/month. But, that would require that people take some "ownership" of their lives.

 

[deleted77919]

Indoor plumbing and basic sanitation has done more to extend life expectancy than modern medicine. However, if I need a plumber I don't say "$300, that sounds a little steep. Why don't I just pay you $100 . . . or better yet, plumbing should be a right, get someone else to pay it, I really don't feel like it."

I saw a commercial recently that had a guy wearing a white coat saying "HD TV is great isn't it? The crystal clear picture, large screens, it's great for watching the game on Sunday. However, your teeth are important too. Before you upgrade to HD maybe you should consider having some dental work done. HD is nice, but your teeth are more important. Make an appointment today."

If only physicians had the same guts as those dentists.

 

[cfdavid]

Indoor plumbing and basic sanitation has done more to extend life expectancy than modern medicine. However, if I need a plumber I don't say "$300, that sounds a little steep. Why don't I just pay you $100 . . . or better yet, plumbing should be a right, get someone else to pay it, I really don't feel like it."

I saw a commercial recently that had a guy wearing a white coat saying "HD TV is great isn't it? The crystal clear picture, large screens, it's great for watching the game on Sunday. However, your teeth are important too. Before you upgrade to HD maybe you should consider having some dental work done. HD is nice, but your teeth are more important. Make an appointment today."

If only physicians had the same guts as those dentists.

LOL. Nice post. I agree 100% (hence, "nice post"...lol) I think we'll need to do that kind of PR stuff very soon. Regardless of speciality, when the babyboomers start b..tching about healthcare costs, and as it becomes an ever greater % of GNP, we'll need to adress the public directly in a similar way. Like, "yeah, it's expensive, but you're still ALIVE!".