GMO, applying for civilian residency

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I've got two years of active duty of commitment time left in the military, and I'm not at all interested in military GME. I'm planning on starting my applications for civilian residencies this year since most programs I'm looking at match at PGY-2.

For those of you who've managed to finally make the escape to the civilian world for residency, I've got a few questions for you.

1. Did you match through ERAS or find a program outside the match?

2. Did you wear your uniform to interviews? If so, how'd that go? (I'm contemplating doing this)

3. Were you able to phone interview for programs you were interested in if you weren't able to get leave?

4. Any advice?

Thanks!

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I've got two years of active duty of commitment time left in the military, and I'm not at all interested in military GME. I'm planning on starting my applications for civilian residencies this year since most programs I'm looking at match at PGY-2.

For those of you who've managed to finally make the escape to the civilian world for residency, I've got a few questions for you.

1. Did you match through ERAS or find a program outside the match?

2. Did you wear your uniform to interviews? If so, how'd that go? (I'm contemplating doing this)

3. Were you able to phone interview for programs you were interested in if you weren't able to get leave?

4. Any advice?

Thanks!

Matched to my second choice for a competitive PGY-2 residency this past spring. It can be done. Your .mil experience can be looked upon very favorably since you will stand out from the crowd of med school grads.

1. ERAS. Although I do know of some people who were able to find a place outside the match. This takes some connections, and is somewhat easier if you're going into a less competitive residency. Competitive ones are less likely to bother with going outside the match if they know they're going to fill up anyway.

2. No. Don't wear the uniform; dress for the job that you're applying for, not the one you're leaving. You'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about your .mil experience while wearing normal clothes, and wearing the uniform means that the interviewers will be talking to a military representative, not you. Big difference.

3. Luckily never had to. Again, depends on competitiveness of residency. However, unless you know the residency really well otherwise, I wouldn't recommend this. Do you really want to commit yourself to going somewhere for 3+ years sight unseen? Kinda scary.

4. What's your service branch? I know that for the AF, there is an AFI that allows for permissive TDY for things like job interviews. If your commander is nice enough, you can quote this and get permission to go on your interviews (at your expense, of course) without burning leave. Some commanders will make you burn leave anyway though; it's very commander-dependent. Worth a shot though.

Extras: Submit your app the moment that ERAS opens. And I mean, the moment. I've talked to multiple PDs and being one of the first applications on the pile made a huge difference in whether you got an interview or not.

Have some research. Make a case of the day, something you can slap together so you can check that box on the app. Yes, some residencies have the presence of this as scoring criteria.

Use a professional to review your personal statement. I'm a halfway decent writer, I still used one and the revised edition was much better than my original. Well worth the $100+. I had multiple interviewers comment on how much they enjoyed my essay.

Apply broadly. As a GMO you've got kind of a weird stink on you because you're not a conventional med student applicant. Fair or not, you're going to have to get over a certain amount of prejudice from some programs who are afraid you must have screwed up somewhere. Your application will hopefully demonstrate that this is not the case, but you should still anticipate that you may perform slightly worse simply due to the fact that you're unconventional. Adjust and widen your net.

The whole process is still pretty fresh in my mind as you can tell. Ask more questions; I drop by here frequently.
 
I've got two years of active duty of commitment time left in the military, and I'm not at all interested in military GME. I'm planning on starting my applications for civilian residencies this year since most programs I'm looking at match at PGY-2.

For those of you who've managed to finally make the escape to the civilian world for residency, I've got a few questions for you.

1. Did you match through ERAS or find a program outside the match?

2. Did you wear your uniform to interviews? If so, how'd that go? (I'm contemplating doing this)

3. Were you able to phone interview for programs you were interested in if you weren't able to get leave?

4. Any advice?

Thanks!

I'm in the exact same position -- Navy applying for anesthesiology advanced positions starting in two years.

Here's the advice that I'm getting....
1) Do ERAS and contact specific programs directly at the same time. Some programs will offer Navy GMO/FS/UMO's a position after the interview. It can be a take it or leave it type of offer, so you may want to directly contact your top choices first to gauge their level of interest in you.
2) I will echo what AF M4 wrote. Do not wear the uniform. I'm assuming that you are not extremely gung ho military if you want nothing to do with military GME (nothing wrong with that, I don't either). Therefore, be proud of your service, but interview for civilian as a civilian.
3) Unless you are in Afghanistan or aboard a carrier at sea, don't phone interview.
4) Some think that program directors love people like us, others think we have a stench. It probably depends on the specialty. Others have told me that EM, FP, and anesthesiology really like Navy GMO's. Really academic IM, derm, surgical specialties, etc. may be less impressed. I suppose we will find out soon. Nevertheless, think back to what you knew as an MS-4 and what you know now (for me it's night and day). Then consider that you are applying and competing with MS-4's. Get your interviews, hold your head high and be confident, and see what happens.
 
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I've got two years of active duty of commitment time left in the military, and I'm not at all interested in military GME. I'm planning on starting my applications for civilian residencies this year since most programs I'm looking at match at PGY-2.

For those of you who've managed to finally make the escape to the civilian world for residency, I've got a few questions for you.

1. Did you match through ERAS or find a program outside the match?

2. Did you wear your uniform to interviews? If so, how'd that go? (I'm contemplating doing this)

3. Were you able to phone interview for programs you were interested in if you weren't able to get leave?

4. Any advice?

Thanks!

Ditto the Above, and some additional items.

make calls to programs your interested in. If your deployed when making these calls, mention it.

If your deployed a phone interview may have to do, but otherwise try to interview in person.

as both above have mentioned, don't wear uniform to interview. Dress for the job you want not you have.

i want out
 
Agree w/everything above. Apply to ERAS early, I was slightly late and do not wear your uniform. My clinic was pretty good about letting me leave for interviews, unfortunately, I left in the middle of interview season but I got a spot anyways😀. Good luck!
 
I'm a flight doc in the same situation getting ready for the civilian Rads application cycle this year.

I do have a question to those of you that have already applied and matched. Did you obtain your letters of rec from just medical personnel, or did you also get a letter from your commanding officer or other line personnel? I don't work with too many physicians at my current command other than other O3 flight docs, and I feel that getting a letter from a doc I did a rotation with as an MS4 or intern might be too far removed? Any thoughts?
 
There are a lot of good points here. I did the GMO/FS to civilian resident application and transition a few years ago.

Absolutely agree with get your ERAS out of the gate as soon as possible.

Get a professional editor to review your essay. Nobody is as good of a writer as they think they are.

Do NOT wear the uniform.

Talk about your military experience positively, i.e. don't sound like a whiner. Nobody wants to work with negative people. Griping among fellow military docs is for this board, not your interview.

Make cold calls. They yield interviews. Caveat to that is: don't annoy the program coordinator/secretary. They are the gatekeepers.

Phone interviews are bad. Most people want to meet you so they can see if you have any obvious personality pathologies.

Get letters of rec from doctors if possible. Letters from commanders might impress military folks, but you are applying for a civilian job. I wrote a letter of rec for one of my fellow O-3 flight surgeons when I was SGP. I signed it Chief of Aerospace Medicine for X base and conveniently left off my rank. That person matched their #1 choice in an extremely competitive specialty. My application had letters from a family doc at my base, my SGH, and one of my fellow flight docs.

Apply very broadly. Some places are very mil friendly and some liberal places won't give you the time of day. Unfortunately you don't know who is who until you apply. Yes ERAS is expensive once you get a few dozen apps going, but the investment is well worth it in the long run.

Military service very much sets you apart from the hundreds and hundreds of people who went straight through and all have essentially the same looking resume.

Go kick asz and pave the way for other military docs to get out into the real world.
 
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Thanks for all the great advice! I appreciate you guys taking the time to help those of us going through this after you. Time to go kick some MS4 ass!!!
 
I'm a flight doc in the same situation getting ready for the civilian Rads application cycle this year.

I do have a question to those of you that have already applied and matched. Did you obtain your letters of rec from just medical personnel, or did you also get a letter from your commanding officer or other line personnel? I don't work with too many physicians at my current command other than other O3 flight docs, and I feel that getting a letter from a doc I did a rotation with as an MS4 or intern might be too far removed? Any thoughts?

I got one from my CO, wing surgeon, doc from med school and my medicine chair from NMCSD. I probably should have gotten one from an anesthesiologist but it was almost two years since I did my anesthesia rotation so I thought it I was too far removed to ask. Probably not the smartest move but it ended up working out. Good luck!
 
I am reading that many are applying or applied to civilian residency during GMO years. Why not continue with GME residency within the Navy?? Don't they match you after you complete your GMO commitment? I am starting my Navy application as a GMO. Please provide advise why applying outside the Navy system?

Thanks!
 
I am reading that many are applying or applied to civilian residency during GMO years. Why not continue with GME residency within the Navy?? Don't they match you after you complete your GMO commitment?
Many folks leave after completing GMO tours because doing a residency within the military means you accrue more time owed to the military.
 
I am reading that many are applying or applied to civilian residency during GMO years. Why not continue with GME residency within the Navy?? Don't they match you after you complete your GMO commitment? I am starting my Navy application as a GMO. Please provide advise why applying outside the Navy system?

Thanks!



Familyfirst,

Mine is a personal decision and is in no way related to my chances of matching Navy GME. In fact, I'd probably have a better shot if I stayed in since I want to do Rads. I'm married to a civilian, and I just don't want to put him through 8-10 more years of having a military spouse due to all the extra obligation for residency.

As far as your match question goes, GMO time definitely puts you ahead of the interns coming straight through in the Navy's "point" system, but nothing's guaranteed. As usual, the "Needs of the Navy" come first... You should be good to go, though, as long as you work hard and don't piss off anyone too important. 🙂 I wish you best in your GMO tour. It's a good gig, and the pay isn't too shabby either.
 
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