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[penguin24]

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IR is one of the least competative sub-specialties of Rads. If anything, when/if IR branches off from Dx Radiology, DR would become more competative (going by straight statistics, if you knock off the weakest link)

 

[blackbird11384]

IR is one of the least competative sub-specialties of Rads. If anything, when/if IR branches off from Dx Radiology, DR would become more competative (going by straight statistics, if you knock off the weakest link)

I'm just a lowly medical student interested in radiology, but I really don't see how this makes any sense at all.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Because it doesn't. Just because IR is the least competitive (assuming you agree with this), doesn't mean the candidates for DR who want to do it are any less competitive. Some of the top dogs want to do IR.

 

[fun8stuff]

Because it doesn't. Just because IR is the least competitive (assuming you agree with this), doesn't mean the candidates for DR who want to do it are any less competitive. Some of the top dogs want to do IR.

IR is not competitive, as most fellowships in radiology aren't. However, this is not going to greatly affect rad's competitiveness. If anything, it will make rads less competitive, as a slightly smaller number of people will apply (yes, there are some people who apply to rads just for IR).

 

[penguin24]

If you find the statistics on Rads fellowships, you see that IR is one of the least competitive. I just wanted to clear up any notion that just b/c IR makes a couple bucks more than DR that it's a tough fellowship to get. Theoretically, if IR branches off I think there will be no significant change in the competitiveness of radiology; I was speaking from a theoretical perspective in my earlier post. But to agree w/ the previous post, rads fellowships in general are easy to get, the 'hard' part is getting into Rads.

 

[howelljolly]

Interesting...

Of the people I personally know that are going, or want to go into Rads, more than half want to do IR. I'd assumed that a lot of folks want to do IR

 

[irwarrior]

IR has waxing and waning competitiveness. There are always jobs in IR. When, the job market for radiology is tough, IR becomes far more competitive. A large number of medical students do rotations in IR and enter radiology strongly considering IR. Of my coresidents over 1/2 entered thinking they would do IR but only I entered the field.

The market forces recently were such that the amount of money from diagnostics and job opportunity was great. However, this is changing as is evidenced by the significant increase in IR fellowship applicants the past couple of years. The job market is shrinking for many diagnostic sub speciaties as fewer docs are retiring or in fact coming back to the workforce because of the decreasing 401ks etc.

Now, there are not that many really good IR fellowships but the competitive ones often get filled internally.

The average medcal student entering into radiology may not have the surgical mentality that IR may require and so that is part of the rationale for a separate residency.

The beauty of IR is you can control patients and recruit patients directly. You can become a disease specialist. Focus on oncology, peripheral vascular disease, aortic pathology, pain interventional, stroke interventions , vein therapy. If one does pure diagnostic imaging, in general there is no patient control . There is more likelihood of dayhawk services, teleradiology companies, and other specialties (who have patient control) ordering and interpreting their own imaging.

So, I think it would have been best if radiology maintained radiation oncology (It would have been a stronger house). We all know how competitive radonc is. I think it is best for radiology for IR to stay in the house of radiology and that is the goal of the SIR.

 

[penguin24]

Interesting...

Of the people I personally know that are going, or want to go into Rads, more than half want to do IR. I'd assumed that a lot of folks want to do IR

I think many med students are still scared about not having patient contact, so they tell themselves they will do IR. Apacheindian made a great post about the natural evolution of a radiologist; starting off wanting to be a surgeon, then IR, then DR.

 

[psychforme]

I think many med students are still scared about not having patient contact, so they tell themselves they will do IR. Apacheindian made a great post about the natural evolution of a radiologist; starting off wanting to be a surgeon, then IR, then DR.

Derm->IR->DR for the gold diggers!

 

[PrussianBlue1]

Medicine is relatively easy compared to physics, chemistry, maths etc. You first and foremost need to be diligent rather than be intelligent.

Why radiology should be intellectually more demanding than e.g. internal medicine or neurology, I cannot see.

This is definitely not true. I think you are projecting yourself on this post. I don't think any one field is harder or easier than the other, especially when you are at the top. Again, I think you are projecting.

 

[PrussianBlue1]

They should retitle this thread to

People who failed to match into radiology and are bitter about it​

😀

very very true... 😎

 

[ioncell]

I dont know why every body is sensitive ,,

one time , i was asked by my old Physiology prof :
-where are you going ?
*Radiology !
-AHAAA , so you knew it !
*yes, to know it early better than late
-so you will bring boatloads of money ,, please fill my tank after that,,
*(stunned) of course !

nice thread ,, on the spot

 

[sestamibi]

They should retitle this thread to

People who failed to match into radiology and are bitter about it​

😀

I'm sure it burns 👍