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digitlnoize

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I just thought this was interesting:

I've been listening to Goljan's audio lectures and find the guy a very good, funny lecturer. I looked him up to get a face to go with the audio, and discovered that he teaches at a DO school...

With all the recent hoopla surrounding the MD vs DO crap...is this common knowledge, or do most of the pre-med, post-law, anti-DO types not realize that their USMLE board hero teaches at a DO school?

Would these same people say that those students are getting an inferior education from the guy who they pay thousands of dollars to lecture them for a day?

Just thought it was interesting that although I see Dr. Goljan's name plastered all over SDN, I have yet to see mention of him teaching at a DO school...
 

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He does the board review course at GA-PCOM. I think other schools bring him in too.
 

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Also, guys like that want to be teachers, first and foremost. DO school might be a good environment for people like him to teach in, as they are focused primarily on producing clinicians, and he may not be expected to do a lot of research.

I'm not sure if that is accurate or not, but it seems logical.
 

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Also, guys like that want to be teachers, first and foremost. DO school might be a good environment for people like him to teach in, as they are focused primarily on producing clinicians, and he may not be expected to do a lot of research.

I'm not sure if that is accurate or not, but it seems logical.

That's a very good point. I wish more teachers cared about teaching.

There's great part in the lectures (cardio, I think) where he calls the other profs at his school idiots because they like it when the students get low mean scores on their tests. He tells them that it's because they don't know how to write test questions. So very true.

I've had a couple of UG teachers who obviously care about improving their teaching methods...my orgo teacher even designed a PBL method for orgo and is writing a text book. She also gathered tons of data on her classes that showed her PBL orgo method improved both scores and retension of orgo material by over 10%.

I have other teachers that obviously can't wait to get back to their research on toadfish and hate every second they spend in a class with students. I think this kind of higher education sucks and needs to go away.

Can't schools hire people to TEACH and other people to research. Maybe some combos. Don't make people teach that don't want to.
 

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There are tons of great teachers at MD schools, and I have no doubt of that, but they may often be expected to do research too.

My uncle is a microbiologist at Stanford med, and he loves his research. His bacteria are pretty much his favorite thing, although sometimes, my aunt and their two kids may sneak in there too. He wants to teach, and to be honest, he would be great at it. He's got a passion for educating people, and a really good personality. He would be incredible, IMO. And I'm not being biased here. I'll be the first to tell you that if my mom taught a class somewhere (as a speech pathologist with a professional degree, she would be qualified), I would avoid it like the plague.

Anyway, apparently he won't be allowed to teach until he's been published a few more times. He's been published in Science on several occasions, but they have their guidelines. He may not get to teach yet, but he gets tons of grants to study cool **** in a great facility. And places like that are great at what they do for those reasons.

A guy like Goljan may just not have any interest in doing research, so he found a place he can just educate future clinicians. I'm not saying that there aren't good teachers at these big research-based MD schools. Just that it might not be the kind of gig that every teacher wants, because of some of the things that may come along with it.
 

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He teaches at OSU right? I've seen that mentioned on here several times, unless I'm thinking of someone else.
 

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Is there a place you can download it or buy it at?
 

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Is there a place you can download it or buy it at?

Yes EEL, he teaches at OSU (Ok. St. U, not Ohio St. U).

Dreammona...I don't think I can tell you where I got it...it's technically an "illegal" bootleg copy and spreading this info is probably against SDN's terms of use...

If you google goljan audio lectures, you'll find it though. There are alot of places you can get it.

Note: I'm a musician, and not a big fan of illegal downloading. If there were a legit Goljan audio lectures, I would gladly buy it. And I did, in fact, buy RR Path. I just find that the audio is good to listen to in the car, or even while reading the book.

Supposedly, they are working on an "official" audio version...
 

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I'm a student at OSU. Dr. Goljan, as you guys already know is our path lecturer, but he also designed our clinical problem solving course. Essentially, we sit in a small group of 8 or so students with a DO and go through a case from initial presentation, to the history and physical, to the labs, through follow up etc. It's a great course. Also, he HATES the bootlegging of his work and has taken a myriad of precautions to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
 

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I'm a student at OSU. Dr. Goljan, as you guys already know is our path lecturer, but he also designed our clinical problem solving course. Essentially, we sit in a small group of 8 or so students with a DO and go through a case from initial presentation, to the history and physical, to the labs, through follow up etc. It's a great course. Also, he HATES the bootlegging of his work and has taken a myriad of precautions to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

What has he done to stop it? My experience with bootleggers has been that if they want to tape it, they're going to find a way. Modern technology and all that...

I agree with him that it's an issue...even if he took the crappy "bootlegged" audio and sold it as a CD on his website, I'd buy it there...Again, I did buy RR path...and I'm still 2 years away from the stupid test!

Unfortunately, it doesn't exist. I guess he feels that it keeps people from coming to his Kaplan-type lectures...I don't really agree there either...at least not me...

If I do a board review at all, he'll be a part of it...he seems like a great teacher. I think these bootlegs are useful for me, as a MS-0 doing some "light learning" before school starts, but lord only knows how old they are, and a more up-to-date, in person board review could only help.

I have a good amount of recording experience and would even be glad to record an "official" version of one of his board review lecture series'...as long as I could sit in on the class for free!
 

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He can't really do much about what's out there, but all of his stuff that we have access to is Pinion copyright protected. Pretty stout protection, that autoshreds files after the access window is up, and doesn't let you do anything with the files. We have access to an excellent quality video board review by him for biochem, again Pinion protected..
 

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He can't really do much about what's out there, but all of his stuff that we have access to is Pinion copyright protected. Pretty stout protection, that autoshreds files after the access window is up, and doesn't let you do anything with the files. We have access to an excellent quality video board review by him for biochem, again Pinion protected..

That's pretty awesome. What's stopping someone from hooking their laptop video output up to a recorder, and recording it to a non-Pinoin-ed file though? Other than the fact that no one has time to do it:laugh:
 

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I absolutely :love: the Goljan RR book. If he came out with path audio review - I'd buy it. $100? No problem. I'm sure it would be worth every penny.

If he did a whole step I review (not just path) and sold the audio I'd buy it. No problem. Someone should tell him if he had legal audio, folks have enough respect for him that we'd buy it rather than bootleg it.
 

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He can't really do much about what's out there, but all of his stuff that we have access to is Pinion copyright protected. Pretty stout protection, that autoshreds files after the access window is up, and doesn't let you do anything with the files. We have access to an excellent quality video board review by him for biochem, again Pinion protected..

Stout protection is relative to who is viewing it. For the laymen it might be stout, but I guarantee I have friends that could devote an afternoon or two and crack it no problem. So much money is put into copy protection, and it is all crap. Heck, if I felt like it, I could probably crack it but I never had the patience for it...:p
 

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He does the board review course at GA-PCOM. I think other schools bring him in too.

He not only is doing a board review series, but he also came in and taught us Neuropathology for a week! He was really great and we had one of the highest test averages we had had while in school. :) No guarantees on next year, but I hope for you all that he comes back!
 

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He does the board review course at GA-PCOM. I think other schools bring him in too.

Yea they are teleconferencing his board review to the PCOM campus. They have also given us strict rules that no electronic devices are allowed. Bummer. :thumbdown:
 
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