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When everything else is equal, the person with the better school is going to get in before the other person [assuming interview is the same, etc.]. I think the point of what people have said here is that name advantage is not as important as people make it out to be. On the same note, not having that name advantage is not as much of a disadvantage as people make it out to be. And the truth of medical school admissions is that the kid from the state school with low stats is not competing with the kid from Harvard with high stats. Likewise, the kid from the state school with high stats is not competing with the kid from Harvard with low stats. Generally, people with low stats are below people with high stats in the admissions game regardless. Of course you have to include ECs, LORs, etc. The only truth that can be found in any of this is that people make too big a deal over it. It's a very complicated subject b/c there are tons of socioeconomic factors that come into play, and there is also the fact that you never know how you will actually do in any given situation. So each person has to decide what the balance between cost of education, access to resources, prestige, etc., will be in his/her own life. The more you pay, the better chance you have of having it work out the way you want it to work out. So what happens? Most people with the money to pay generally pay the big bucks to fund expensive educations. I think this leads to the elitist attitude that those that do not pay or cannot pay for the very best schools should be discounted as somehow inferior. Then what happens when you end up applying for medical school? You find out that Joe Blow from X State University ended up getting into WashU. You think, "Man, I figured Joe Blow must not be that capable. I mean, he DID attend X State University. Statistically he did not have nearly as much of a chance as I did." But then you finally make the connection that Joe Blow is not a statistic. He is an individual with his own scores, his own application, and his own experiences. And then you realize that it never really mattered where Joe Blow went to school, because he was pretty phenomenal. So how does this impact you? If you're loaded, you should obviously buy the best education money can buy. If it comes down to making huge sacrifices for that education, you have to decide whether you are good enough to ignore the hype, do the work, and excel. Not everyone can do it, obviously. But then again, not everyone from Harvard gets into Harvard Med either. You guys/gals are not statistics, and the admissions people know that much. They will evaluate you, your application, your experiences, the difficulty of your undergrad school, etc., without lumping you into some undesirable category simply because of the name on your transcript. If that were the case, I would have been screwed a long time ago.
 
Heh, I think I'm that student. I still contest that undergrad matters no matter how much people don't want to beleive it does. The point that has already been made is that there is access to research and faculty who can write influential LOR's with a name behind them (say, a Nobel-prize winning researcher).

Yes, it is indeed true that there are more "smart" people at more prestigious schools, which would account for the disparities, but the truth is still there. At my UPenn interview, for example, I was feeling self conscious about going to U of M. I'll guarantee you there won't be anyone interviewing at U Penn or WashU from Albion. Go to the best school you can afford and be acceptied to. You really don't want to go somewhere that you have to make excuses for.

"At my UPenn interview, for example, I was feeling self conscious about going to the U of M." That is totally absurd. How can you let that crap influence you? You always seemed very bright, until you made that stupid comment.
 
silly little pre-meds...

the school you attend for undergraduate doesn't play any significant role in admissions as long as you excel in whatever you choose to do. it is true that the "top schools" may have more resources readily available to its students, like research or clinical opportunities, but any student at any school can pursue their own opportunities. if you take it upon yourself to be a strong applicant, you can get in to any medical school from any undergraduate school.

don't buy into the hype. and please take everything you read on this silly site with a nice, fat tablespoon of salt.

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if you take it upon yourself to be a strong applicant, you can get in to any medical school from any undergraduate school.


Probably wrong. From some schools it's going to take more than "strong applicant" to get into top-5 med schools. It's going to take "phenomenal applicant". Not that it can't happen, just that it's more difficult than you make it out to be.
 
Probably wrong. From some schools it's going to take more than "strong applicant" to get into top-5 med schools. It's going to take "phenomenal applicant". Not that it can't happen, just that it's more difficult than you make it out to be.

you're wrong, plain and simple. it doesn't matter if you go to harvard or south-southeastern agricultural tech, if you have what the selection committees want you can get in.

on the other side of that, there are no guarantees. it should be emphasized that a degree from a hopkins or yale doesn't come wrapped in a short white coat.
 
you're wrong, plain and simple. it doesn't matter if you go to harvard or south-southeastern agricultural tech, if you have what the selection committees want you can get in.

on the other side of that, there are no guarantees. it should be emphasized that a degree from a hopkins or yale doesn't come wrapped in a short white coat.


Haha OK, thanks for thoroughly explaining your position. How do you explain the fact that my school sent 9 matriculants to HMS last year? How about Harvard undergrad sending ~30 to HMS alone every year? Do you think all of them were phenomenal applicants? Let's face it--you can get in coming from almost any school, but you really have to be a phenomenal applicant from those schools. If you're coming from a top undergrad, it's pretty routine to get a top-5 acceptance.
 
you're wrong, plain and simple. it doesn't matter if you go to harvard or south-southeastern agricultural tech, if you have what the selection committees want you can get in.

on the other side of that, there are no guarantees. it should be emphasized that a degree from a hopkins or yale doesn't come wrapped in a short white coat.

Selection committees the value of a quality undergraduate education. Top tier schools do a better job of preparing students for medical school, law school, business... the list goes on. The resources at top schools don't even compare to that of lower ones.
 
so many michigan people on this thread. i just wanted to represent that other school in michigan, michigan state. go spartans!

uofm students are so proud of their school that it seems they forget that good people turn down uofm for a variety of reasons. many of my friends did just that, and i guarantee we match quite nicely with the top candidates out of uofm.
 
It says nothing about how you will perform. And the thing about state schools not having the resources--in my experience this is also not true. I was even randomly basically offered a paid summer research internship at St. Jude in Memphis for last summer. It even paid for housing if you did not live in the area. How did I know about it? I aced everything in my immunology class and went to pick up an exam one day when the professor's wife told me about it [she worked in his lab]. I did not go for it, but the connections were there. I also could have been paid to work in my lab over the summer, etc., etc., etc.
😍 ..I would LOVE to have a summer paid internship in St. Jude! My brother and cousin actually did a summer of research at UT last summer. All they had to do was ask...
 
People on this site will rip this advice, but take it for what it is worth. I'd highly recommend at least looking at some of the top tier national liberal arts colleges. Carleton, Grinnell, Amherst, Swarthmore, etc. are absolutely terrific (and tough) schools. They lack the name brand appeal, and huge student bodies, but you probably won't find a better and more challenging education anywhere in this country. It is not to say that the big name research institutions don't provide a good education, learning is just different when your tests are entirely essay based (you learn to write instead of filling in bubbles), you get to know your profs because there are only 20 kids in the class (plentiful, detailed and personal LORs) and there isn't the pressure to mainly be mentoring graduate students and publishing every 3 months in glossy journals. Done right (3.4+, decent MCATs, relationships with profs in and out of class, high level of campus involvement and summer research fellowship at big name) coming out of one of these schools gives you a fantastic chance at not just medical school, but being able to select where you want to go. You can get an education just about anywhere that will in theory set you up for medical school, but I think small schools do a better job of "developing" the intangibles that make or break most applications and at least looking at my medical school class and those second visits I attended I think medical schools know this as well (translation an inproportionate # of kids from liberal arts schools given how many more students apply out of the big guys). If you've already got leadership, critical thinking and life long learning skills instilled in you then great you will make it no matter what, but if you think you've got some room to grow and some skills to gain take a look at the smaller schools they focus solely on undergrads for a reason.

Of course..I'm at a 40k person school and all of my exams are still essay based. Liberal arts schools are still good though.
 
This topic is brought up all the time. For the most part I agree that stellar applicants, regardless of school, will get into the top programs. But, ignoring undergraduate institution's role isn't really fair. Fact of the matter is that it does matter. I'd be impressed by someone who went to Harvard/etc. over my school if all else is equal.

*one note though, I think the reason that Harvard/Yale/Hopkins send so many students to their schools and other top programs is because they attract the best undergraduates, and so naturally have some very talented applicants 4+ years later.
 
once you get to that point, there's a whole lot more involved than just name and numbers (research/personality/general experience)... however, as my purely anecdotal evidence above suggest... yes... yes we MIAA applicants are just as on par...

and I've since stopped defending my own school... this place has been going down the toilet for the past four years... hopefully a new president next year will turn things around.... but either way, I'm trying to shoot down the prestiege argument in general.

btw, Michigan's average ACT is what, a 28 or so? you're not exactly an Ivy...

You're right, we don't play in the Ivy Athletic League, just like we don't play in the MIAA. We play in the Big Ten. You make a very solid point. I just don't see what the ACT has to do with sports?
 
this thread is filled with so much subjectivity!

all i've seen on this thread and others like it on sdn is stuff about how the only people so-and-so has seen at top tier interviews have been ivy league students or how such-and-such ivy league institution sends dozens of premeds to harvard med school, etc, etc.

there are so many other confounding variables preventing such a cursory analysis of the issue...the fact that ivy league and other top tier undergrads attract a higher-ranked overall student body, for starters. i attend OU, a school that produces perhaps 10-15 top-tier worthy applicants every year maximum. is it really fair to compare the success of our total applicant pool to that of harvard? until some one conducts a really rigorous study on this type of phenomenon - that is, do top tier institutions really add value to a grad school applicant or job seeker - i'm gonna take everything i read on this thread or any other with a grain of salt.

fwiw, i do remember reading a study once about how researchers compared students with the same ACT score from a state school and from an ivy league school and followed their earnings patterns...turns out there was no difference...food for thought...

although i know i just decried the whole subjectivity thing, my advice, though biased obviously, is to go someplace cheap (you're gonna need that dough for med school) where you can have some fun and make some memories. clinical experience? community service? solid MCAT prep? substantive research? all can be easily achieved from anywhere, and as someone else mentioned, may be even easier at state u, because you have less competition. want to do research at a top name school? pretty much every one has a summer program open to applicants from all schools....just my two cents.
 
You're right, we don't play in the Ivy Athletic League, just like we don't play in the MIAA. We play in the Big Ten. You make a very solid point. I just don't see what the ACT has to do with sports?

oh how witty... you took my comment by its literal meaning. :laugh:
 
oh how witty... you took my comment by its literal meaning. :laugh:

dude, i'm as serious as a heart attack, what's going on?
honestly tho good luck in the process, we're all rooting for you. you're what dreams are made of.
 
dude, i'm as serious as a heart attack, what's going on?
honestly tho good luck in the process, we're all rooting for you. you're what dreams are made of.

ah thank you... we all know that the true measure of a successful michigan resident is his/her ability to leave the state when all is said and done.
 
I would suggest avoiding Ivy League institutions and the like. Medical schools don't really care about your undergraduate education. I go to UPenn and I found this out far too late it appears. Now I get the great pleasure of making 90s on my tests only to find out that they are C's on my transcript due to the competition.
 
Would anyone happen to know about Pepperdine's pre med and science program? Good or Bad
 
Would anyone happen to know about Pepperdine's pre med and science program? Good or Bad

Ha. Pepperdine. What a joke of a school. If you want to pay a buttload of money to live on the beach for 4 years, go to Pepperdine. Otherwise, save your money and go to school for free at your local state school because you'll get just as good of an education.
 
would anybody else have some good advice on pepperdine?

You probably won't get good advice on this forum. They don't have a huge number of premeds to begin with, and its not a huge school. Im sure they teach bio, chem, and physics just as well as any other school, if thats what you are looking for. But they don't have any sort of formal pre-med program. I personally don't think its a great school, but thats just my opinion
 
ok thanks, i go to lipscomb in nashville, but i have always wanted to go to pepperdine, so i am tryin to get some advice, because pepperdine prides themselves on not curving and making it really hard so i was lookin for some feedback
 
ok thanks, i go to lipscomb in nashville, but i have always wanted to go to pepperdine, so i am tryin to get some advice, because pepperdine prides themselves on not curving and making it really hard so i was lookin for some feedback

With that said, Pepperdine easily has the most beautiful campus in the country
 
can i get some real advice, not your opinion

Welcome to SDN.


In response to whether or not Pepperdine has a "good or bad" pre-med program, I doubt you'll be able to get a consensus on this. It will offer the basic pre-reqs for med school. There's really not much criteria to define whether or not it's a good or bad beyond the quality of the individual profs who teach the class. Pre-med advising is a crapshoot wherever you go (I went to a big pre-med school, and the advising was weak).
 
ok well many of Pepperdines students have lower gpa's than lipscombs, but they get into many good med schools, would it being in california have a reason why the acceptance rate is 79% and not the 100% compared to lipscomb
 
ok well many of Pepperdines students have lower gpa's than lipscombs, but they get into many good med schools, would it being in california have a reason why the acceptance rate is 79% and not the 100% compared to lipscomb
 
ok well many of Pepperdines students have lower gpa's than lipscombs, but they get into many good med schools, would it being in california have a reason why the acceptance rate is 79% and not the 100% compared to lipscomb

Most likely. Cali med schools are very selective.
 
can i get some real advice, not your opinion

Dude, if you aren't looking for opinions you need to get off SDN 😉

I was just trying to say that the "pre-med undergrad" concept is completely overrated on this site, almost to the point of pure stupidity in my opinion. My opinion of college is that you should look for the following characteristics:

1) Cheap. Doesn't have to be dirt cheap, but enough so that you aren't going to be adding $100k to your $200k med school debt. California has the best State School system in the Nation and you would be completely insane to chose any school over them (UC) as far as cost goes. The private, elite, Ivy school thing is totally overrated. Quality state schools for half-to-0 cost are the way to go. But if you're loaded or mommy and daddy are going to pay for it, Ivy your heart out.

2) Most importantly, choose a school based on the opportunities it has to offer. I was able to go to a school that has arguably more opportunities for involvment than any other school in the country based on its sheer size. Believe me, opportunities - majors, clubs, organizations, philanthropies, school traditions, athletics - these are the things you will take with you for the rest of your life after college, NOT how good of a "pre med" school your college was. Don't treat college as a means to an end, you'll regret it.

With that said, Pepperdine would be a fine pre med school and would make absolutely no difference on your application. I don't, however, believe the school has much to offer besides its scenery and location.
 
if your parents have the dough-- go to Pepperdine, enjoy the beach, and ace your classes. just make sure they have a science dept.